Do ICS reject unsuccessful candidates with same reason ?

WNoahLam

We received rejected letter by ICS with a radiculous reason "English has not met required admission standard" given my kid is a native English speaker. Just wondering if they reject all kids with same reason because it's a standard template or they don't bother to explain the true reason ? Anyone got same experience ?

poohpoohmouse

JMM 發表於 14-2-9 16:56
我的理解是，從頭到底，樓主都是對自己小孩的英語能力信心十足（到底如何define native speaker，見仁見智 ...

Very well said.  You summarize 樓主's problem.  He thought it's an integrity problem because he genuinely believe his kid's english is good.  The true reason for rejection is there is not enough places in the school.  But........inability to speak chinese doesn't mean english ability is good.  My kid can't speak chinese too but still he speaks a lot of hong kong english which is disastrous.  Even if his kid is really good, there may be a bunch of kids even better. Don't forget the school only take a few students in addition to those from their own kindy.  And the performance at spot is really important and sometimes it's a matter of luck.  Once my kid failed an interview because he met his friend there and the two kids were so happy and excited that they play along and completely ignored the interview.  Summer school is irrelevant.  It's not equivalent to admission assessment.

My kid got lots of rejection last year too but so what.  There is still a long journey for you (not your kid, I am sure your kid would not be as sad or angry as you are).  As said, I hope 樓主不要介意並可以盡快 let go and move forward too.

Peababylau

Sigh...     Take a deep breath and relax and just forget about this whole incident.  It's just a little insignificant blimp in your son's life.  

If you are so upset now.. Just imagine how stressful and tense university applications will be.     Those will cost you much more and rejections won't even come with any sort of explanation.   Save your emotions for bigger things in life....

shadeslayer

Do we have to care about other parents financials?

JMM

我識嘅唯一一個ISF小孩就是家住赤柱獨立屋的！

musicien

Yes I like isf except that ppl seem to be 非富則貴。I'm just a v ordinary middle class family.

Jane1983

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吾緊要啦，ISF都係好學校，書係自己讀，讀得好，處處都出到頭。

musicien

Yes I like is but couldn't get in so went bk to local 兩邊走想死！too bad we can't join sis. So diff to get in!

Jane1983

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比咗錢，當然去啦。
兩年前小朋友開始考IS，已經係度見到你，經歷咁多，大家都有著落，好！

musicien

I paid 4300 for Gsis. Will still go but actually no hope. They want native / near native eng level. As told by the admission officer. Back then I had no
Offer yet. So hv to pay la. Pay jor 唔去又唔抵。

Jane1983

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你吾係有ISF？諗住你可以休息吓？

musicien

總之難過考狀元但講還講我還是繼續參與。無計。

Jane1983

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同意。上面有家長提到要考幾方面，論考writing和spelling，native speaker無操，吾會考得好過名幼小朋友。

JMM

Artie 發表於 14-2-9 14:21
我自己一向都不是健談的人，尤其對住陌生人，有次和朋友去 shopping，售貨員推銷，我在聽，朋友和售貨員就 ...

我的理解是，從頭到底，樓主都是對自己小孩的英語能力信心十足（到底如何define native speaker，見仁見智，平常跟外傭說英語是否就是native？當然，我不是指樓主小孩，樓主小孩可能真是native speaker!）但是native speaker就是否代表面試/筆試表現一定很好？面試是光考口語的嗎？小孩臨場表現也很重要的，態度，應對能力，臨場反應等等。再者，家長有跟admission officer面談的嗎？有的話，我相信這個也會有丁點影響的。正如樓上部分人所說，我覺得單看reject的理由和wording，一點兒都沒有問題。只不過是樓主可能接受不了小孩被批為“英語能力未達學校要求”這個“事實”（“事實”我是指面試時的表現！）以上純為個人猜測，希望樓主不要介意並可以盡快let go and move forward.

Artie

我自己一向都不是健談的人，尤其對住陌生人，有次和朋友去 shopping，售貨員推銷，我在聽，朋友和售貨員就有問有答，售貨員就誤以為我是外國回來香港的金山亞毛，以為我聽不懂廣東話，朋友笑說她自己才是外地人 (新加坡人來香港定居)。

小朋友情緒很難說，再健談的孩子，也可能突然唔想多說，惹來誤會。再精靈醒目的小朋友，考學校也有可能失手。

希望學校對每個學生都出一份 "獨特" 的 reject letter 是不是有點要求過高？現在的學校，動不動都申請者過千，要向每個考生給評語，應該沒可能，用 template  是正路。至於 application fees 和 test fees，我相信學校是明碼實價。

ps 女兒最近考大學，我們笑說，大學要多造幾個 紅色 "reject"  印。人生漫漫長路。

shadeslayer

WNoahLam 發表於 14-2-9 10:48
The respond from the school reflect their integrity. The truth is they have no more space to offer d ...

What is wrong with standard templates?  You are saying this as though it is seriously wrong.
Obviously the school received a lot of applications.  Among those they cannot admit, there are different types, according to their selection criteria, like

- English is not strong enough
- Child is not proactive enough
- Cognitive development is not good enough
- Parents not Christian
- a combination of the above
(I made them all up)

If they use a number of templates for replying parents, is there anything wrong?  What does that have to do with integrity?

Just because they don't have enough places does not mean the real reason for your son's rejection was not English.   It was an interview, they don't owe you a detailed evaluation report of your child's development.

PS.  I have nothing to do with ICS and none of my friends and family's children study in ICS.

WNoahLam

The respond from the school reflect their integrity. The truth is they have no more space to offer despite the test result. Imagine if u being laid off from your company because downsizing, in the termination letter they said "due to your poor performance"...
Will u still think it's immature to ask for a genuine answer?

I started this discussion just want to prove ICS gave all rejected candidates with the same reason for my further action cuz They didn't respond to me. From what I heard so far they really used standard template. Thanks for everyone who shared your view/information

ikerberg

I could only say : including a reason for rejection in the letter is a very 'immature' practice and you could even say 'naive'...

seeker.email

原帖由 hay.hay.ma. 於 14-02-08 發表
Is "English has not met required admission standard" bad wording? What is wrong with this phrase? To ...

I agree with hay.hay.ma. Personally I don't see the comment on the letter has anything that contradicts the religious background of the school. If one thinks that Christian schools should be non-selective / 有教無類, I guess admission interviews shouldn't have existed at all. Once the application is submitted, such game is totally within the schools' discretion. Further, there are just too many variables in an interview that could affect the child's performance.