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發表於 12-3-15 10:53 |只看該作者 |正序瀏覽 |打印

To   :      Parents with children in -

ESF schools;
Discovery College;
Renaissance College;
Kindergartens; and
ESL Sports

Dear Parent

ESF Lions Football Incident

I am writing to you because there has been a good deal of understandable concern about an incident during a football match organised by ESF Educational Services Limited (ESL), an affiliate company of ESF, which is not subvented, and whose board I chair.  The match was an Under-12 game between ESF Lions and Kitchee Escola.  A ten-year-old player (we have established that he is ten, not eleven) was videoed making a kick that contacted the head of a Kitchee Escola player.

Let me say first very clearly that ESF and ESL deeply regret any injury that was caused to the young Escola player.  The Chief Operating Officer of ESL, Ann Pearce, wrote on Monday to the boy’s father and the Head Football Coach has also written to the Chairman of Kitchee Football Club expressing their regret.  We accept the disciplinary action that the Hong Kong Development League Association has taken.  I understand that the parent of the injured child has referred the matter to the police and we will cooperate fully with any police investigation.

However, we are also concerned about the impact on the young ESF Lions player of the very public posting of an edited video on YouTube showing these events.  By Tuesday afternoon, only 72 hours after the match, there had been more than 20,000 views.  Under the film clip a large number of comments had been posted, making aggressive and threatening remarks about the ESF Lions player and his coach.  From Sunday evening ESL had been asking Kitchee Football Club to use their good offices to request the removal of the video.  ESL approached the Club because there is no ready central access to YouTube and we did not know the name of the person who had posted the film.  As the film clips (now two of them) were still being shown on Tuesday morning and the number of views and comments was growing, ESL asked its lawyer to write to the parent who we believed had posted one of the clips and the Kitchee Football Club Chairman to press our request for the removal of the film clips.  The lawyer’s letter makes clear our concern about the injury to the Kitchee Football Club child and is designed solely to get the video clips closed down because of the distress that the offensive comments were causing to the ESF Lions player and his family.

We have also commented about our disappointment that the Hong Kong Development League released its findings to journalists, from whom we learnt of them, before making them known to the ESF Lions player, his family, the coach or ESL and without an explanation of what the ‘disciplinary action’ would constitute.

I am very sorry indeed that parents have been distressed by this incident and I repeat my own deep regret that a child who played for the Kitchee Escola team was injured.  All of the adults involved in physical sporting activities, managers, coaches, referees, spectators and parents, have a responsibility to teach children fair and responsible sporting behaviour and ESL is committed to the highest standards in that respect.  Appropriate action will be taken to deal with this incident, but, as we do that, we have also to ensure that criticism of a ten-year-old who made a serious mistake does not get out of hand.

I ask for your support in allowing us to manage the follow-up to this matter in a firm and appropriate way but out of the spotlight of the social media which is too harsh an environment for a child to be exposed to.


Yours sincerely,


Heather Du Quesnay
Chief Executive Officer, English Schools Foundation
Chairman, Board of Directors, ESF Educational Services Limited


cc    :       ESF Board of Governors
                Committee of School Council Chairmen
                Principals
                ESF Senior Management Team
                ESF Education Team
                Ann Pearce, Chief Operating Officer, ESF Educational Services Ltd
                All Staff – ESF and ESL

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easydad 發表於 12-3-17 00:37
We all know kids can be wild but there is a limit.  Right after the kicker made the blow, as a respo ...
Well said!


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發表於 12-3-18 23:49 |只看該作者
u wanna talk about ethics? what about the ESF kid kicking the kitchee boy? was THAT ethical?????


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發表於 12-3-18 22:34 |只看該作者
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is it illegal to post a tape on youtube? if it is legal then ESF CEO has no right to request such removal right?

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發表於 12-3-18 22:27 |只看該作者
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cannot agree more!

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本帖最後由 easydad 於 12-3-18 21:11 編輯

Actually, there are times when certain people/organisations are stuck up to a point that they need to suffer much in order to learn a lesson, to right a wrong.

From the moment I heard legal letters were being sent, I know we better not expect proper handling from the school management.  The letter from school further proved me correct unfortunately.

I don't agree to cyber-bullying but what is bullying?  What is the reason for such to happen?  No one welcome heat from media or internet or anyone, no one like to be caught.  Yet, afraid to fall into the spotlight can help people act cautiously, reasonably and responsibly.  Thus, there is always a fine line between cyber-bullying and cyber-justice-seeking.

At the end of the day, we all should be responsible for what we have done.  The kicker has problem, the coach has a bigger problem, the school now has the biggest problem.  We should teach our kids to be responsible but heck.... school like carpets?   Naturally, kids will ask "Why can't I?".

Anyway, so much about it.  I really should stop reading all these stuff to be cooooooool.   

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acdad    發表於 12-3-20 16:14

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發表於 12-3-18 20:20 |只看該作者
By the way, the "victim" is only 10.  Who let him go to youtube, read the comments and exposed to "cyber bullying"?  

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發表於 12-3-18 11:50 |只看該作者
OKmom 發表於 12-3-18 09:18
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I didn't mean you made me tired in my previous post, I meant I had been spe ...
So our difference has now been narrowed down to this.  You are happy to rely on the CEO's promise that appropriate action will be taken etc.  On the other hand, I want them to tell us what their finding is regarding the coach and what action, if any, will be taken against him.  If the CEO is not going to tell us their finding, could they have come to the conclusion that the coach did nothing wrong?   If so, we need the know the reason for this conclusion.  If they also take the view that the coach is wrong, the CEO should demonstrate to us that they take this seriously and tell us what action has been taken against the coach.  Again, if the CEO says nothing, could it be that her idea of appropriate action is just simply to tell the coach not to commmit this same mistake again?  I am anxious to know because I think the coach's mistake was even more serious than that of the ESF boy.  If the coach had talked to his players asking them to calm down and not to play so agrressively during the match, the incident could have been avoided completely.   Now the CEO only mentioned about the ESF boy's mistake and has said nothing about the coach, this is to me clearly not enough.  By the way, appropriate action also means that the action should be taken timely.  If there is a delay without good reason, the action could not be said as appropriate.

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acdad    發表於 12-3-20 16:12

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發表於 12-3-18 11:07 |只看該作者
i think it depends on you want your girl in local stream or IS. KCS is strong for local stream.

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發表於 12-3-18 10:11 |只看該作者

回覆:Letter from ESF to parents

可唔可以講下點為之 cyber bullying? 將一個真實事件的 video 放上 youtube, 容許觀眾自行判斷對與錯,都係 cyber bullying? 我想



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no-bully  Someone suggests that the video clips should not be put on the public forum and we should not talk about it.  發表於 12-3-18 14:14

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發表於 12-3-18 09:22 |只看該作者
Hi, all

I really have been spending too much time in expressing my very thorough views in this topic, so I have to leave this topic.  

Please feel free to express your views.

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發表於 12-3-18 09:18 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 OKmom 於 12-3-18 09:24 編輯

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I didn't mean you made me tired in my previous post, I meant I had been spending too much time expressing my views in this topic here.

Let me try my best to answer your question. This is my interpretation of the coach's reaction and what sort of actions he will face. The coach is biased to this team, and so he neglected the fouls made by his team, he tried to keep the game running regardless of these fouls, he did not demonstrate his responsibilities to teach children fair and responsible sporting behaviour. As a conclusion, the coach is not up to ESL standard, he will face an action. ESL might have already issued a warning letter to the coach, and he will be fired if he make same mistake in the future. Or perphaps the coach has lost his job already for this incident.
Regarding exact details of actions made by the ESF CEO, do we have to know the details? As stated in her letter, I'm sure she must take appropriate action to deal with incident, and she promised that ESL is committed  to the highest standards in that respect, in other words, they will avoid this sort of thing to happen in the future, right? Is this a promise/relief to parents who have concerns about the standard in football club in the future?

Anyway, this is my last reply to you because I really have been spending too much time in expressing my views in this topic, and I feel I had made a very thorough sharing of my views already, I have to move on to something else.....

But please feel free to express yours.





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發表於 12-3-18 01:14 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 no-bully 於 12-3-18 01:17 編輯

Before I watched the clips, I thought this was a minor incident which happened often in a football match. But after finished watching the whole clips, my friends and I considered that this was outrageous.

ESF parents have concerns whether this is a systematic issue, e.g., how ESF teaches students about sportmanship and how ESF teaches students to respect individuals.

Well, I respect someone's view that the video clips should not be posted.  But many others see the values in knowing what have actually happened. Afterall, there are many such kinds of video clips uploaded on the public forum. To name a few, mainland girl eating in MTR, 小學雞, ...   Right or wrong?

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發表於 12-3-17 23:36 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-3-17 23:56 編輯
OKmom 發表於 12-3-17 23:12
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Please read again my post, I did answer you question, I don't mind to elabo ...

Sorry for making you tired, but let me try for the last time.  My question is this.  Can you explain or come up with a reason why the ESF coach decided to take no immediate action during that match after seeing his players making all those terrible fouls on the Kitchee boys?  In a normal match, if players are playing too roughly and aggressively against the other team or they are making bad fouls to the other team, the coach is expected (and indeed he has a duty) to talk to his players immediately and ask them to calm down etc.  Obviously the ESF coach didn't do this (and in fact he didn't even act after seeing the ESF boy kicking another player).  Why?

Your answer to my question is that "ESF did mention that all adults (including the coach) should take their responsibilities to ensure the kid's fair play and if any of them fail to do so, they will face the actions.".  Does this explain the coach's action or inaction during that match?  No, I don't think so.

My point is that if no one (including you) could possibly be able to come up with a reasonable explanation to justify the ESF coach's action or inaction in that match, the ESF coach was clearly wrong.  If he was clearly wrong, then why the CEO still has not found him guilty after so many days?  To me and many others, the coach's mistake is at least as obvious as the ESF boy's mistakes and they are both equally serious.  Please don't tell me that we don't have to know about ESF's decision because I have already explained to you why I and many others wish to know.

See you in the morning.


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發表於 12-3-17 23:22 |只看該作者
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If the poster published the video clip wants to seek for justice, he must have overlooked it would uneventually result in cyber bullying will do a lot of harms, no one wish to see. There is a more positive way make use of the video clip, show it to ESF, the league and now the police for investigation, everyone wants to seek for justice, but better try the positive approach first.

I think I have to rest now.....Goodnight...

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本帖最後由 OKmom 於 12-3-17 23:14 編輯

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Please read again my post, I did answer you question, I don't mind to elaborate here:
ESF did mention that all adults should take their responsibilities to ensure the kid's fair play, so coach and the boy's parents or perphaps referee or whoever (behind the video), if they fail to do so, they will face the actions.
As I don't know what are the details (what and who) about the disciplinary action suggested by the league after the investigation, or have ESF carried out their disciplinary action, do you know?? Again, there must be some guidlines in the league for what kind of appropriate disciplinary actions are resulted, the league are unbiased here, right?. But there must be some sort of disciplinary actions, right? We don't have to be informed the details and monitor the progress and be the judger too.


As the ESF CEO stated in the letter that 'We accept the disciplinary action that the Hong Kong Development League Association has taken. ' I trust that the ESF has to follow the disciplinary action suggested by the the Hong Kong Development League Association, who should be the one to monitor.

Oh, I have been spending a long time expressing my view in here......very tired. But I'm glad everyone is expressing his/her views peacefully



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發表於 12-3-17 22:59 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-3-17 23:09 編輯
OKmom 發表於 12-3-17 22:44
I also don't understand why the video clip should be posted on youtube at the very beginning, perpha ...

I guess the uploader posted the film clip for at least 3 reasons.  Firstly, he wanted to show how bad and horrible the fouls and the kick were.  Secondly, he wanted to show the misbehaviour and inaction of the ESF coach.  Thirdly, he wanted to show the public really what happned.  Let's imagine that right after the kick, the ESF coach had come running out into the pitch and tried to look at the Kitchee boy's injury.   Let's imagine that the coach had apologised to the Kitchee boy and his coach and parents immediately and got the ESF boy to do the same.  If they had done that, would the viewer of the film clip have been so angry?   I don't think so.  But what actually happened was that the coach did nothing other than shouting at the parents asking them to get off the pitch.
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