An interesting question for smartparents

VincentL

I know a lot of smart parents are having discussions or doing a lot of research in this forum trying to figure out which is the best school for their children.

Just a quickie to see if you have done your homework properly.

Without searching the Internet, can anybody tell me which HK secondary school bought up a Field's medallist

ANChan59

Yes, in both English and Chinese have certain element of literature......

c1234

Hi AnChan59,
首先想多謝你的回應，及想講聲，從你身上，我獲益良多！
我的意思是大部份香港的學生，甚至老師太習慣操卷式學習，自主式學習能力較弱，小一就開始操TSA, 前陣子新聞說有父母花10萬給子女補習，應付HKDSE。昨天(其實很多時) 都見到地區名官中的學生也排隊上現x補習。今早在LIFT內見到鄰居孩子”咪”marking scheme。對香港的教育制度真的無奈！我們這些普通家庭，實在支付不到咁貴學費讀IB(未計小孩的能力) 。若有錢，都希望小孩讀IB。另外IB的語文能力要求應該較高對嗎？

ANChan59

原帖由 c1234 於 11-12-13 10:36 發表
Dear ANChan59,
thank you for your reply. That means IB is more difficult than NSS.

What do you mean about more difficult - curricullum, learning method, language requirements, assessment methods.....?

It's difficult to give you an easy answer.....

lugano

原帖由 bbJP 於 11-12-4 18:33 發表

點解只係由2003年開始先有記錄?
St. Jo 中學末代會考再嘗12年前4個10A的風采,或者就是你說的高錕效應,當年高錕更返St. Jo Open Day做嘉賓,仲有張大大的poster寫住'Your glory,our glory" tim.但係培正當年就冇崔琦 ...

如果講到"非科學"界別, 而又可以改變世界的名人, 再加哂冷式名校指標"鬥多會考狀元", 點解無人提及狀元搖籃皇仁書院 ?? 相比之下, 聖約瑟可謂小巫見大巫  

皇仁名人多到數唔哂, 近幾十年的不用多講, 連改寫中國人歷史的孫中山 (都讀過 DBS), 唐紹儀, 周壽臣, 何東爵士, 何世禮將軍呢 D上世紀名人都係皇仁仔, 一年出 4 個 10A 都未算架勢, 皇仁經典到一年出過 6 個 10A

來個港島區 Top 3 男校終極對壘 (1987 -- 2010), 皇仁真係頂哂班

皇仁狀元: 55 名 (5 班會考班出戰)
香港華仁狀元: 18 名 (4 班會考班出戰)
聖約瑟狀元: 16 名 (7 班會考班出戰)

(1) 皇仁篇

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%9A%87%E4%BB%81%E6%9B%B8%E9%99%A2

"....... 在歷屆香港中學會考，皇仁書院是產生最多「十優狀元」（應考的10科全部取得A等成績）的學校。由1987年至2010年期間，皇仁書院已累積產生了55名「十優狀元」，當中2006年更有六名學生考獲十優。此兩項紀錄在香港中學會考歷史上未有學校能打破。........"

6位狀元: 2006
5位狀元: 1998, 2003
4位狀元: 1994, 1995, 1997, 2002, 2005
3位狀元: 2001, 2010
2位狀元: 1991, 1993, 1996, 2007
1位狀元: 1999, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2009


(2) 香港華仁篇

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E8%8F%AF%E4%BB%81%E6%9B%B8%E9%99%A2

"........香港華仁於歷屆會考出了18位十優狀元......."

1987年：盧俊佳
1989年：馮天麟（以九優生為當屆狀元，因當年全港未能有考生取得十優成績）
1990年：陳　彤
1992年：許志賢、黃偉強、何煒基
1993年：馮志豪
1994年：何禮文、吳志強
1996年：田志豪、林祥智
1997年：王之明
2000年：蔡宗衡、葉文健
2001年：葉嘉揚
2005年：吳子健
2008年：鍾汶庭，是香港華仁書院第一個8A25*（8科A等2科5*等）狀元
2010年：張柏朗，覆核成績成功後成為香港最後一名8A25*狀元


(3) 聖約瑟篇

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%81%96%E7%B4%84%E7%91%9F%E6%9B%B8%E9%99%A2

".......... 聖約瑟於歷屆香港中學會考出產了 16 位狀元，成績輝煌，1987 年為首屆可報考十個科目，最後一屆會考為2010年。........"

4位狀元: 2002, 2010
2位狀元: 2006
1位狀元: 1998, 2000, 2004, 2007, 2008, 2009

[ 本帖最後由 lugano 於 11-12-13 19:43 編輯 ]

c1234

Dear ANChan59,
thank you for your reply. That means IB is more difficult than NSS.

ANChan59

"good in science and not arts"-->請問是否理科好的比較適合讀NSS，而文、商科好的就比較適合讀IB？
[Sorry, I may mislead you in this comment, more precise is for taking two Science subjects, you need more time for lab works and the content is wider than HKDSE, the student anyway need to take a Humanity subject. For taking two Humanity subjects, more focus on essay writing and relative a bit easier than Science, but the student also need to take a Science subject. In IB you need to be pretty all round in both Science and Humanity subjects.]

另外讀IB會否有補習如什麼現代XX、英皇XX，有無past paper操？抑或IBers 要自學呢？謝謝！
[Some tuition centres provide tuition for IB, but not the names you mentioned, may be more expensive as they charge on hourly basis. If you are still using tuition centre and drill on past papers to study IB, no offence, you should consider NSS instead IB. IB's ideology and mission may be out of your scope. I strongly recommend you to browse IBO official website to understand their mission, target students and student attributes........]

c1234

Hi AnChan59

"good in science and not arts"-->請問是否理科好的比較適合讀NSS，而文、商科好的就比較適合讀IB？另外讀IB會否有補習如什麼現代XX、英皇XX，有無past paper操？抑或IBers 要自學呢？謝謝！

ANChan59

IB has different teaching and learning methods, may not fit all bright students.

My son shared with me that why some top 30 students not accept in IB stream, because they may lack of motivation to take IB, too exam oriented, good in science and not arts...... The IB teachers will suggest them to take HKDSE instead of IB.

Also, after a few weeks of Pre-IB and NSS lectures, some students will move in different directions. No right or wrong, just best fit only.....

More and more IBers is the trend as more IBDP accredited schools in HK...

bbJP

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-12-9 11:01 發表
其實st.Jo係e方面都做得唔錯,只可惜佢地放棄成為直資學校,大大削弱了學校的發展空間.
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Just look at the parents' comments in Primary School Sub-forum, very soon, St Joe may also forc ...

St.Jo sub-forum?有咩野睇??
DSS,機會唔高.唔知而家咩人做校長,其實十幾年前已傳 st.jo old boy association好想將學校轉直資,不過d中小學校長等退休不思進取.講真,論財力,其實st.jo d old boys 一點不亞於st.paul's co-ed,當然,co-ed有李氏一人撑起,不過st.jo都有李x寶,夏x理,所以要搞DSS,唔洗靠哂政府d撥款都有好大backup.但係當年唔搞,而家,想响市區揾塊se正 d 既地都難,去遠d,又唔捨得中西區/灣仔區名校呢個名.
以後,DBS,St.Paul's Co-ed等願意走前一步的DSS,比其他一向優質的傳統名校總會勝一疇.

[ 本帖最後由 bbJP 於 11-12-12 10:16 編輯 ]

bbJP

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-12-9 10:42 發表
以後NSS,就好難好似而家咁比勒,DBS,St.Paul's Co-ed e d 有行IB既學校, NSS的尖子應該會比以前少.
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I take different view on elites, may be even more in early admission through Non-JU ...

同意你的看法,這會比較客觀而全面評价一間學校的學術水平.
只是本地考試,始終NSS主導(報考人數問題),以後報章放榜日大大隻字寫的狀元名單中,DBS,Co-ed都會少左人,除非佢地預留都份尖子讀NSS,唔比人讀IB.不過相信隨後10年,報考IB人數會越來越多.

ANChan59

其實st.Jo係e方面都做得唔錯,只可惜佢地放棄成為直資學校,大大削弱了學校的發展空間.
_______________________

Just look at the parents' comments in Primary School Sub-forum, very soon, St Joe may also forced to become DSS ..... the only way get away from Monster Parents....

ANChan59

以後NSS,就好難好似而家咁比勒,DBS,St.Paul's Co-ed e d 有行IB既學校, NSS的尖子應該會比以前少.
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I take different view on elites, may be even more in early admission through Non-JUPAS (IB/IGCSE/GCEAL) route:

E.g.
HKU - Fast Track
CUHK - Advance Entry
HKUST - Magic Line....
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In the future, more schools have alternative streams like HKDSE + IGCSE, GCEAL, IB........ just use HKDSE may be one of the yardstick to gauge the academic performance of students.

I am so glad only 1.5 yrs to go, I can forget about HK Educational System..... Pain of the ass (Sorry,I can't find better word.)

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-12-9 10:51 編輯 ]

bbJP

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-12-7 19:08 發表
DBS,唔知點解咁不濟,可能愈來愈多尖子未考會考就越洋赴學.

The school not encourage students to take more than 8 subjects, take more times for other activities instead just focus on exam. If you change t ...

係!唔只DBS,好多學校都唔主張學生報第9科&第10科,仲要你prove到自修e d additional 既科目係必是教到好成績先比你報.
不過你說的對,單睇間學校有多少10A/9A來評學校的學術水平其實是以偏蓋全,應睇埋尖子收生比例,入本地/外學大學的情况.另外,學校不主張太exam-oriented,主張學生有全面發展,各自精采,DBS係做得好好.其實st.Jo係e方面都做得唔錯,只可惜佢地放棄成為直資學校,大大削弱了學校的發展空間.

以後NSS,就好難好似而家咁比勒,DBS,St.Paul's Co-ed e d 有行IB既學校, NSS的尖子應該會比以前少.

ANChan59

DBS,唔知點解咁不濟,可能愈來愈多尖子未考會考就越洋赴學.

The school not encourage students to take more than 8 subjects, take more times for other activities instead just focus on exam. If you change the angle to look at no of EAS  students, DBS still the top 3-5 in HK....... 20+ every year

bbJP

原帖由 VincentL 於 11-12-3 12:12 發表
http://maths1000.com/uppermaterialdetail_25.html

點解只係由2003年開始先有記錄?
St. Jo 中學末代會考再嘗12年前4個10A的風采,或者就是你說的高錕效應,當年高錕更返St. Jo Open Day做嘉賓,仲有張大大的poster寫住'Your glory,our glory" tim.但係培正當年就冇崔琦效應勒.
DBS,唔知點解咁不濟,可能愈來愈多尖子未考會考就越洋赴學.

VincentL

http://maths1000.com/uppermaterialdetail_25.html

bbJP

原帖由 VincentL 於 11-12-2 16:05 發表
OK, I thought St Joseph topped the ten A list at the last time HKCEE result.

Thanks to update me

OK,OK,都係吹下水啫,到NSS,唔知St.Jo係咪一樣咁掂,不過你講得啱,間學校出過d名人,偉人確係對school spirit有d幫助.
培正數理叻是很有歷史的,出得丘成桐&崔琦係唔簡單,其實培正宗教教育都好好,出唔少牧師傳道.不過d英文就...

[ 本帖最後由 bbJP 於 11-12-3 09:01 編輯 ]

VincentL

OK, I thought St Joseph topped the ten A list at the last time HKCEE result.

Thanks to update me

bbJP

原帖由 VincentL 於 11-12-2 14:16 發表
From that angle, Pui Ching is really not bad. 高錕 is from St Joseph.

Incidentally right after the announcement of his award, St Joseph topped the 10A list (I think 4 students got 10A) for that comin ...

That wasn't the first year St. Joseph's got 4 10A. They had got 4 10A and a number of 9A early in year 1998 if I'm not wrong.

[ 本帖最後由 bbJP 於 11-12-2 16:01 編輯 ]