有perfect pitch對學音樂的好與壞

Christi

或者大家對呢個問題好奇怪,因為有perfect pitch梗係一件好事啦,仲駛問? 我上網查過,有很多好處,這幾乎是肯定的了.於是我反而想大膽問一問,有perfect pitch會否反而對學音樂/樂器有一些-ve的地方?

這只是open question, 知道這裡有很多懂音樂的人.期待分享.

[ 本帖最後由 Christi 於 11-10-16 23:11 編輯 ]

steamball

ic, only she's quite young, don't want to push her, haha
P.S. i am lazy ma

Christi

啊...那我是誤會了你的意思.因為我以為你對於她不肯學space-line而感苦惱,所以咪問吓你,老師有冇幫手...:loveliness:

原帖由 steamball 於 11-10-22 17:45 發表
why this a problem??? also a method of read score ar

steamball

why this a problem??? also a method of read score ar

Christi

你說:she read score just by memorize the place of the note.我想問咁老師有沒有/如何幫手改善她這個問題.

原帖由 steamball 於 11-10-22 14:03 發表


修正????

do-re-me

原帖由 ilovethiscow 於 11-10-18 13:44 發表
因為佢地睇住個C 音... 但係吹出黎果個唔係 concert C.... 會覺得好困惑的~~~

perfect pitch 就是 你聽到個音就知道是那一個音~

係呀！我會覺得好煩,好辛苦

steamball

原帖由 Christi 於 11-10-19 22:34 發表
老師有冇作出修正?

修正????

小伊

有perfect pitch的人聽見的音符是彩色的，他們從初接觸音樂就顯露這能力，機乎不需訓練和思考，就可輕而易舉地說出音名。經後天訓練的，是通過牢記某一音高，例如c，然後再比較與該音的音程，而找出音名。

Christi

wiki還有一部份是講perfect pitch 與musical talent的關係:

Correlation with musical talent

Absolute pitch(即perfect pitch) is not a prerequisite for skilled musical performance or composition. Although musicians with absolute pitch may perform better on certain tasks such as transcription,

no test yet exists for comprehensively and objectively measuring the influence of absolute pitch ability on musicianship.

Owing to uncertainty in the historical record, it is often impossible to determine whether notable composers and musicians had absolute pitch. Since absolute pitch is rare in European musical culture,

claims that any particular musician possessed it are difficult to evaluate. Among composers of the Baroque and Classical eras, evidence is available only for Mozart, who is documented to have demonstrated the ability at age 3.





Experts have only surmised that Beethoven had it, as indicated from some excerpts from his letters. By the 19th century, it became more common for the presence of absolute pitch to be recorded, identifying the ability to be present in musicians such as Camille Saint-Saëns and John Philip Sousa.

Christi

但其實perfect pitch(先天)是不是有別於relative pitch(後天). According to wiki:

Relative pitch :
Many musicians have quite good relative pitch, a skill which can be learned. With practice, it is possible to listen to a single known pitch once (from a pitch pipe or a tuning fork) and then have stable, reliable pitch identification by comparing the notes heard to the stored memory of the tonic pitch.[71] Unlike absolute pitch, this skill is dependent on a recently perceived tonal center.

...Individuals may possess both absolute pitch and relative pitch ability in varying degrees. Both relative and absolute pitch work together in actual musical listening and practice, although individuals exhibit preferred strategies in using each skill.

原帖由 ilovethiscow 於 11-10-21 11:18 發表
其實有好多只係後天練習的perfect pitch..

其實perfect pitch 只是你的記憶 記熟了每一個音...

所以.... 很多小朋友後天練習也可以練成perfect pitch...

lillymarie

原帖由 ilovethiscow 於 11-10-21 11:18 發表
其實有好多只係後天練習的perfect pitch..

其實perfect pitch 只是你的記憶 記熟了每一個音...

所以.... 很多小朋友後天練習也可以練成perfect pitch...

相信是！囝囝的老師提及過他自己的聽力是受過訓練的，他看著樂譜就能準確啍出音來。

bebebe12345

單一的長處還需其他配合!
連技巧也沒有,怎拉給別人聽和感受!
放心,囡囡不會沒有音樂感,慢慢培養。
以前學琴的人數和現在相差太遠了。

ohmygosh

之前見過有研究發現﹐6-7歲前開始學習樂器﹐的確明顯地比例上會有較多孩子長大後被證實擁有perfect pitch。所以﹐我都認同﹐幼兒時期多接觸音樂﹐多聽音樂﹐唱歌﹐玩樂器等等﹐都有助刺激﹐發揮和提昇在孩子內裡的音感。

原帖由 miaochan 於 11-10-20 14:28 發表
測Perfect pitch好簡單，如果小朋友彈開鋼琴，你叫佢閉上雙眼，你任意彈一個鍵（黑和白都可以），佢可以話比你聽所彈的是甚麼音（C-G)連sharp和flat都講到。
不過好像現時越來越多小朋友都有此“特異功能”，亦不算甚麼奇怪事。我有 ...

Christi

我跟你的看法一樣.以前話有perfect pitch就好似好罕有,但依家淨係BK,都有唔少,亦有擁有perfect pitch的老師. 我的諗法係, 近幾年個個小朋友好細時,已被父母送去各類音樂,唱遊playgroup,總會啓發佢地的耳朵及音樂感.

所以我覺得有perfect pitch的人,只會越來越多.

原帖由 miaochan 於 11-10-20 14:28 發表
測Perfect pitch好簡單，如果小朋友彈開鋼琴，你叫佢閉上雙眼，你任意彈一個鍵（黑和白都可以），佢可以話比你聽所彈的是甚麼音（C-G)連sharp和flat都講到。
不過好像現時越來越多小朋友都有此“特異功能”，亦不算甚麼奇怪事。我有 ...

dogmonkey

明白了. 謝謝. 我記得音樂人生中, kj考過佢哥哥0架!

原帖由 miaochan 於 11-10-20 14:28 發表
測Perfect pitch好簡單，如果小朋友彈開鋼琴，你叫佢閉上雙眼，你任意彈一個鍵（黑和白都可以），佢可以話比你聽所彈的是甚麼音（C-G)連sharp和flat都講到。
不過好像現時越來越多小朋友都有此“特異功能”，亦不算甚麼奇怪事。我有 ...

miaochan

測Perfect pitch好簡單，如果小朋友彈開鋼琴，你叫佢閉上雙眼，你任意彈一個鍵（黑和白都可以），佢可以話比你聽所彈的是甚麼音（C-G)連sharp和flat都講到。
不過好像現時越來越多小朋友都有此“特異功能”，亦不算甚麼奇怪事。我有興趣知的，是否因為現時小朋友都很早接收音樂訓練，而perfect pitch是否能在早期（<6歲）訓練出來的呢？

原帖由 dogmonkey 於 11-10-20 09:43 發表
真的嗎? 咁都安慰d,因為我個女認音較弱. 請問去測試有否perfect pitch, 是測什麼呢?

Christi

我猜bebebe12345所講'有冇並不重要'的意思是指對於長遠的音樂之路,肯下苦功為之上算.perfect pitch可能對初學音樂者有很明顯的好處,可是,到了大師級,有無perfect pitch已不太重要了.

其實,為什麼要去測試有沒有perfect pitch呢?

lillymarie

原帖由 bebebe12345 於 11-10-20 10:58 發表
有沒有根本不重要,有就是有、沒有就是沒有!讓孩子用好D的器材聽多D好錄音.....

同意呀！
我大囝唱歌走音， 五音不全，幾粒音不給他譜看， 在鋼琴上找來找去都找不到。但他很喜歡學琴， 一味勤力去補自己的不足。三次考琴試都令我跌碎眼鏡， 取得“丁”。反而細囝聽力很好， 不對他嚴勵一些就得過且過。孩子自己本身想不想學好音樂才是最重要吧！ 細囝老師就曾對他說：“你有潛質， 可能練習3次已拉得很好。人家能力沒你高，但他練30次，亦拉得和你一樣好。你若不用心去學，你的潛質不算得甚麼！”

88violin

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[ 本帖最後由 88violin 於 11-10-23 18:29 編輯 ]