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樓主太太係全職mami?小朋友讀傳統教學名校?小朋友是獨生子?
我係過來人,有3個仔女,小五、中二、中六,培育子女的方法不少,但在現今名牌效應、成績掛帥;功利主義的主導下,要獨善其身,真的很難

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很多時真是書到用時方恨少。孩子小時就開始愛上閱讀,一生受惠。

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多謝你十分詳細分享你的心得,恭喜你有一個聰明和有天份的孩子,我會常試你的方法,但可能有些地方行不通,因為我的孩子除了數學方面比較優良些,在語文方面就比普通人還差些少,可能是他自小對閱讀不感興趣,也試過不同學習方法,但效果不太明顯,好彩是他自已比較有自覺性,會比別人勤力些,將勤補袦,不會比拋離太遠。

原帖由 gigivinda 於 11-5-14 23:24 發表


I would like to see it in this perspective: the assessment methods in primary schools cannot reflect the actual ability, and of course, the potential of a child.  

Languages: The assessment methods ...

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有時我想, 要書讀得好基本上要具備三個因素: 天份, 勤力, 方法/竅門.  

有家長的子女考試成績在小學平平無奇, 但一發力便好好, 個原因老生常談, 底子好.  有人會問? 喂,係真唔係呀?首先, 我諗求底子唔求分數的父母都是有識之士,書本身讀得不錯,知道讀好書的方法.另外,首先要明白小學成績唔好唔代表佢哋子女懶,佢哋分分鐘用在學問上的時間多過考第一之人,好似默書,你默兩次會有八至九十分,要100分要默5至6次,佢哋覺得不如我叫細佬取90甚至80,看多兩本書或文學或漫畫或去玩數學難題好過...日積月累, 你話勁唔勁(雖然都是默書80零分, 表面唔好看,但上到中學作吓文,因讀過唔少書,書中的文法用字神韻寫寫吓便走出來,你諗吓,唐詩宋詞近現代文學的作者幾勁,呢度偷幾句,嗰度偷幾個成語,點會語文唔掂?). 呢個就是方法, 如果唔係點會有名師出高徒呢句千古金句.點解有啲有心有能力有心教好下一代的家長會親自教?佢哋望一望細佬的書本功課,便知道最要緊的地方在那裏,到細佬讀到嗰個地方,便多多發問, 引誘細佬去想去自己換答案, 所以啲人話讀書最緊要問.在大學裏,最資深的教授除了帶研穷生外, 有時還會教basic課程, 點解?大學生初入大學時好多都以為自己好勁,其實好多好基本的concept都讀唔通,放個大教授便是專程來幫手打通任督二脈...

勤力我覺得是一個俗稱必要條件,但不是一個充分條件, 即是話唔勤力唔得, 但勤力唔代表一定得,所以一個資質了了的人勤力可以勝聰明但懶的人, 但如果聰明的人發力, 一定勝資質唔夠好的人.所以話成功非僥倖,勤奮加才能.

小可不才,見解膚淺,請筆下留情.

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分析得很好。每個小孩子都不同,小學的要求大體都一樣,要成績好就要專注力強、記憶能力高、小心、手的小肌肉己發展好以利寫字。但小孩的心理身體發展是階段性的。7歲和10歲大不同。小時覺得我做得到\讀書不難\上學是快樂的 比分數重要。打罵不是方法。

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原帖由 mio8390 於 11-5-13 13:45 發表
請問你的孩子是否在比較質數高的小學讀,成績平平其實已經比其它學校高出好多,或是他的基本根基打得很好,如果不是我好想知怎樣才能令他在中學時輕輕發力就能成績不錯,很想知道有什麼竅門,指點我和孩子。
因為我身邊的朋友, ...


I would like to see it in this perspective: the assessment methods in primary schools cannot reflect the actual ability, and of course, the potential of a child.  

Languages: The assessment methods in primary schools are relatively limited as if a child has done a lot of exercises, the child can achieve a very high mark.  This is especially so for a second language like English.  However, the actual knowledge that a child has got from reading cannot be fully reflected.

Mathematics: If a child has done a lot of exercises or practise a lot, be very careful, and be attentive to the tricks of the questions (like the different units required in a question:"cm" is used in the questioin but "m" is required in the answer), he can get a very high mark.  The more complicated understanding in Maths concepts are not required.  If a child has a real potential in Maths, but not through practice, this can only be reflected in higher form Maths exam results at secondary school level. Therefore there should be a lot of examples around us that children who are very good at Maths at primary school level can only achieve a certain standard in Maths when they are promoted to senior secondary but may not be among the top.

What I reckon is: the language foundation is extremely important at primary school level and this foundation must be got through reading books and may not be fully reflected by the assessment methods at the primary school level.  About Maths, don't worry too much when a child is still in primary school.  If he knows the basic calculation he will be fine.  You can see you can learn Maths at any age but it takes time to learn languages.  Thus, a child can study Maths in a university at the age 9 or 10 but you can seldom see a child aged 9 or so be accepted by a university to study languages.

About my child, he did a lot of reading when he was in primary school but he did not pay too much effort in preparing the examinations.  I knew that he understood the content so I did not push him too much and let him be so so, as long as he could pass the assessments.  I did not give him extra exercises or tutorials.  It is proved now that I was right not to worry too much at that point of time so long as I knew he had the concepts but just that he did not pay efforts to memorise.

About reading, I think if there is no distraction in the house, a child will be glad to read the books he is interested in.  When my child was small, we did not turn on the TV or gave him electronic games or computer when we were at work.  He would then pick up the books in the house to read.  We provided different kinds of books in the house to let him choose.   And now we don't have any rules for him but he has already established the habits.

[ 本帖最後由 gigivinda 於 11-5-15 08:41 編輯 ]

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You are another poor parent. I hope the following articles could be helpful for you. The authors are successful parents :

http://columns.etnet.hk/column/index.php/family/monsterparents

http://columns.etnet.hk/column/index.php/family/childeducation

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據你說是在相同的comdition下測試,可能是半小時已經可以溫完,而另一個用了六小時溫,其實佢可能;用了五小時是發白日夢,而二小時的那個是最低分,可能是他的智商問題,因為sample rate太細,好難有一個定論,雖然是在同一間學校,但吸收能力和智商一定有分別,只是分別大或小就會令結果有180度分別。

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-5-14 13:33 發表


I wont use IQ as the difference, IQ only a snap shot.

Three boys' intelligency are comparable, all in the same class of a top notch DSS school. The difference may be the 6 hr boy firmly believe the ...

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原帖由 mio8390 於 11-5-14 13:05 發表
有趣的問題,因為每個人的能力都不同,但智商高的人比例上一定少,如果做比試,就要用智力相近的人做測試,結果應該是接近,但在你的例子,如果是三名小孩做測試,可能是他們的智商分別比較大,所以有這個結果。
有時努力不一定時在間 ...


I wont use IQ as the difference, IQ only a snap shot.

Three boys' intelligency are comparable, all in the same class of a top notch DSS school. The difference may be the 6 hr boy firmly believe the "findings" from the Professor and fall in the diminishing return trap.
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有趣的問題,因為每個人的能力都不同,但智商高的人比例上一定少,如果做比試,就要用智力相近的人做測試,結果應該是接近,但在你的例子,如果是三名小孩做測試,可能是他們的智商分別比較大,所以有這個結果。
有時努力不一定時在間上,是學習時的質素。

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-5-14 12:24 發表
我聽過一個教授說過,一個普通人,如果努力,他的成就會好過一個不用功的資優生,知識是不會自已走進資優生個腦袋內。

We debated in the family for years, prepared for test, 6 hrs, 2 hrs or 1/2 hr preparation....... ...

[ 本帖最後由 mio8390 於 11-5-14 13:08 編輯 ]

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我聽過一個教授說過,一個普通人,如果努力,他的成就會好過一個不用功的資優生,知識是不會自已走進資優生個腦袋內。

We debated in the family for years, prepared for test, 6 hrs, 2 hrs or 1/2 hr preparation........ Then, back to test results, the boys 6 hrs and 1/2 had the same score, the 2 hrs got the lowest score. So what's your view?

My wife's view was if the 1/2 hr boy work another 1/2 hr more, may get perfect score. My son's answer was they got perfect score already.......

Difficult to defne work harder, by hours, how about concentration, tuition, personal interest, drill on past papers ?????
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and wisdom to know the difference.

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我聽過一個教授說過,一個普通人,如果努力,他的成就會好過一個不用功的資優生,知識是不會自已走進資優生個腦袋內。
我不是說IVE不好,但有得選擇,當然是讀大學會比較好,正常來說將來條路會比較好行,我當年因不用功,所以要讀VTC(現在IVE),現在走的路當然比大學生苦。

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-5-14 11:42 發表
這也是大家的標準定義不同(You are right, different standards may have different interpretation),好像我有些朋友說他們子女讀書成績平平,但他孩子會考成績是22分,另一個可以在皇仁原校升讀中六,因為他們以尖子的成績 ...

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這也是大家的標準定義不同(You are right, different standards may have different interpretation),好像我有些朋友說他們子女讀書成績平平,但他孩子會考成績是22分,另一個可以在皇仁原校升讀中六,因為他們以尖子的成績定位。

我是相信依個世界,只有少部份人是天才,付出少少可收獲多多,大部份人需要付出努力才有收獲,如果不是,個個在升高中時出些少力就能有好成績,唔駛依家開咁多副學士;IVE.....課程。(Not just exam results, but also personal interest or inspiration. For IVE, I feel it's fine, but AD only a wrong program to lower the unempolyment rate ...... all wrong right from start.....)
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這也是大家的標準定義不同,好像我有些朋友說他們子女讀書成績平平,但他孩子會考成績是22分,另一個可以在皇仁原校升讀中六,因為他們以尖子的成績定位。
我是相信依個世界,只有少部份人是天才,付出少少可收獲多多,大部份人需要付出努力才有收獲,如果不是,個個在升高中時出些少力就能有好成績,唔駛依家開咁多副學士;IVE.....課程。

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-5-14 10:06 發表


You rasied an excellent question, the correlationship between the standard of primary school and the performance in secondary school. I would say its a matrix not a simple answer and fits all famili ...

[ 本帖最後由 mio8390 於 11-5-14 11:17 編輯 ]

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老生常談的問題,在小學階段要找一間能夠打好中英數基礎能力的學校及培養好喜歡閱讀的好習慣是首要做的事。  

培養好閱讀習慣這一回,是家長必修課,不可依學校老師。

好多時選學校,不可單看該學有幾多小六學生派往哪些名校,而是看他們的課程,有沒有校本課程,老師所出的工作紙質素及質量如可。

另一方面,你說 朋友的小朋友小學成績不好,中學亦沒有一個有特出改進之前,先問清楚他們是讀哪些學校及有否養成閱讀的好習慣呢?


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因為我身邊的朋友,他們的孩子如小學成績不好,到了中學,沒有一個能有特出改進。



原帖由 mio8390 於 11-5-13 13:45 發表
請問你的孩子是否在比較質數高的小學讀,成績平平其實已經比其它學校高出好多,或是他的基本根基打得很好,如果不是我好想知怎樣才能令他在中學時輕輕發力就能成績不錯,很想知道有什麼竅門,指點我和孩子。
因為我身邊的朋友, ...

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原帖由 mio8390 於 11-5-13 13:45 發表
請問你的孩子是否在比較質數高的小學讀,成績平平其實已經比其它學校高出好多,或是他的基本根基打得很好,如果不是我好想知怎樣才能令他在中學時輕輕發力就能成績不錯,很想知道有什麼竅門,指點我和孩子。
因為我身邊的朋友, ...


You rasied an excellent question, the correlationship between the standard of primary school and the performance in secondary school. I would say its a matrix not a simple answer and fits all families

               Top primary     Medium    Bottom

Top sec
Medium
Bottom

May be I can share some observations after my son finished the high school first.
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..............

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請問你的孩子是否在比較質數高的小學讀,成績平平其實已經比其它學校高出好多,或是他的基本根基打得很好,如果不是我好想知怎樣才能令他在中學時輕輕發力就能成績不錯,很想知道有什麼竅門,指點我和孩子。
因為我身邊的朋友,他們的孩子如小學成績不好,到了中學,沒有一個能有特出改進。

原帖由 gigivinda 於 11-5-13 11:09 發表
因本人打字慢,不能多說,只想說非常同意eviepa 及 nintendo 的教育方法。小兒也是:〔小學時看得到的成績(分數、名次)不會很好。但到中學,「只要輕輕發力,成績已不錯」〕的類型。也沒有什么反叛。

看到樓主的情況,我想起一句 ...
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