st paul (聖保祿) vs Sacred Heart (聖心)

Kim08

I know it's a bit early to ask given result of SPK is not out yet....

but other than being more famous, in which area does SPK better than SH pls?

pls share! thanks!

KK07

再細看今年的prospectus, 終於找到了這一句. 就這麼一句我覺得也不算公佈甚麼增值內容了. Thanks.

cccbaby

多謝你的資料，咁即係冇人有準則去評核啦，因爲一來唔知點評，二來又冇official ranking released。方間所謂嘅ranking 都係聽番呢，唔係太可信。但係我覺得始終尼個係ranking 一定有次序排列，一個好正常的程序。至於有冇release 俾學校就唔知。

MrsBunBun

Band one在升中係有official界定的,不過只會向學校公佈,而不會向外公佈.

原帖由 cccbaby 於 11-2-21 17:41 發表
其實band one 都冇official 嘅界定架啦，我唔見教育署有公佈喎。投其所好你鐘意俾幾多級就幾多級啦。不過你話大家都係band one 同spk 同級我都有所保留，unless 你只係指港島區。 ...

Baggio10

其實近年St. Paul's都在Prospectus講出這一句
'連續X年獲取六科最高增值的指標'
我理解是SPCS在這方面取得<最高>的九分 (Standard of Nine)

而在教育局網站裏找到的Comprehensive Review Report

http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/EN/Content_8036/st_pauls_convent_sch.pdf

第29頁:

SPCS has attained the highest value-added results in the HKCEE, both in the three core subjects and the best six subjects, for the past ten years - an exceptional and substained achievement.

KK07

Ian,

Tks for sharing....., I actually don't know much about the details of the value-added benchmark....

KK07

SPCS prospectus 是沒增值資料的,你是否看錯每科會考成績? 其實SPCS是沒有公佈,但DSS 必須做的Comprehensive Review裏有提過,但沒有details 的. 我反而是從朋友(教育界)口中得知.

原帖由 Baggio10 於 11-2-21 18:30 發表
真的嗎? 但我見在SPCS學校網站內發佈的Prospectus(由2006至2010)都有列出這些增值資料.

更奇怪的是在DGS School Report 連每一科(細分的)相關資料也有向外公佈, 為甚麼教育局還每年交這些數據給這些學校呢? ...

Tbaby

我的意思是 兩間都是家長們心中的好學校 為何要用到 "都冇得比，大家都唔同級數" 去做結論呢?

要比較兩間學校 可以從很多方向去看, 例如 : 校舍啦  師資啦 有沒有教師會啦 課程深淺等等

一句 "都冇得比，大家都唔同級數"去拒絕比較 會不會很壓迫感呢? 看得人很心酸啊 hehehe


(只是說出心中感受 如有得罪地方 請見諒! )

原帖由 cccbaby 於 11-2-18 11:37 發表
一定係st paul啦。都冇得比，大家都唔同級數。

[ 本帖最後由 Tbaby 於 11-2-21 22:31 編輯 ]

iantsang

Yes, I notice that too!  (And I think I have said I have read this from other schools too)

I guess EDB is under-resources to deal with small matters like this (quoting the recent issues with DSS), or simply I had an incorrect intepretation and I would like to learn more.  The issue is I think only less than few hundred ppls would have read that document so I am still in the process of finding that out..

However, not everyone would follow the signal to cross the road, but that doesn't mean crossing the road with the red lights on is legal, without being caught.  Disclosing the information and receiving those information are separate matters.  The EDB has to give this information to all schools no matter what.

Just wanna clairfy:

At the end, I think for parents, it is good to have these information disclosed so parents would know more about their target schools, especially with such good improvement like SPCS.

I am simply raising a concern which I would like to listen from others who know the proper arrangement, I am not judging them or anything.

原帖由 Baggio10 於 11-2-21 18:30 發表
真的嗎? 但我見在SPCS學校網站內發佈的Prospectus(由2006至2010)都有列出這些增值資料.

更奇怪的是在DGS School Report 連每一科(細分的)相關資料也有向外公佈, 為甚麼教育局還每年交這些數據給這些學校呢? ...

[ 本帖最後由 iantsang 於 11-2-21 19:07 編輯 ]

Baggio10

真的嗎? 但我見在SPCS學校網站內發佈的Prospectus(由2006至2010)都有列出這些增值資料.

更奇怪的是在DGS School Report 連每一科(細分的)相關資料也有向外公佈, 為甚麼教育局還每年交這些數據給這些學校呢?

iantsang

Banding information is also not allowed by EDB to disclose since 2007, in an attempt to avoid the "branding" effect.  But of course, they exist otherwise students cannot be allocated to schools!

They are now only provide to school principals (during S1 intakes).  It is probably not applicable to SPCS primary section anymore as they don't 呈分 anymore.

原帖由 cccbaby 於 11-2-21 17:41 發表
其實band one 都冇official 嘅界定架啦，我唔見教育署有公佈喎。投其所好你鐘意俾幾多級就幾多級啦。不過你話大家都係band one 同spk 同級我都有所保留，unless 你只係指港島區。 ...

iantsang

I don't think it is actually a 規例.  The information are distributed to the principal and required their signature to confirm non-disclosure.

You have information otherwise?  Please kindly share, thanks!  I would like to know too!

原帖由 Baggio10 於 11-2-21 17:40 發表
其實教育局那一條規例不容許學校向外透露學科增值指標?

小黑牛

原帖由 KK07 於 11-2-21 16:05 發表
spcs 中學有六班,因小學只有五班,每年都收外來生40-50個而F2後聽說收插班生是絕無僅有的. 我不太認同你的分析. 最高增值學校的意思是同時keep track F1入學與F5畢業生的水平,spcs F5學生進步比其他中學大才會被評為 ...

這個post真有價值！很多謝真正的用家出來分享！

cccbaby

原帖由 Tbaby 於 11-2-21 15:14 發表
點解無得比呢? 好似大家都係Band one級數
唔通band one當中仲有十個等級? 唔明?
咁band one當中SPK係第幾級?

其實band one 都冇official 嘅界定架啦，我唔見教育署有公佈喎。投其所好你鐘意俾幾多級就幾多級啦。不過你話大家都係band one 同spk 同級我都有所保留，unless 你只係指港島區。

Baggio10

其實教育局那一條規例不容許學校向外透露學科增值指標?

iantsang

haha, you mean the school names!  Yes, I think it has been like this for years!  Some people really cannot tell the differences among all these schools (e.g., St. Paul's Convent, St. Paul's Co-ed, St. Paul's College, St. Paul's Secondary......etc.).  They may not even be with the same religion belief!

The worst thing is they may hear this from others, and then when you clarify with them, they just randomly pick one campus which they assumed.

原帖由 weisscarton 於 11-2-21 17:02 發表


出面好多學校都 start with ST Paul, 或聖心, 如果大家有心儀學校,最好可以自已親自上學或放學時到學校觀察,好多時朋友講緊的學校未必是你所拺中那一間. ...

weisscarton

原帖由 Cutemom0808 於 11-2-21 16:54 發表


如果真是這樣就放心很多了，現在流言真多

出面好多學校都 start with ST Paul, 或聖心, 如果大家有心儀學校,最好可以自已親自上學或放學時到學校觀察,好多時朋友講緊的學校未必是你所拺中那一間.

Cutemom0808

原帖由 iantsang 於 11-2-21 16:34 發表
no, this is definitely not true.  They will only ask the students to repeat in SPCS so they can catch up the progress, they won't ask you out like the way you mentioned.

Ian都這樣說又放心了許多

Cutemom0808

原帖由 weisscarton 於 11-2-21 16:31 發表


你聽誰說?根本上絕對無此事.學生成績好是學校管理,編寫課程和老師用心教書, ST Paul Convent 並不是其他為争成績而從其他途徑吸立尖子的學校.

如果真是這樣就放心很多了，現在流言真多