問題學校開左名啦!

QutieBaby

除左真道,原來德望都有問題呀!

daisy17772

要是這些著名的貴族學校有龐大的儲備，並且他們大部分的家長不介意付出高昂的學費, 倒不如回錢給政府 (i.e 我們的社會)，等政府能夠更好地利用這筆錢幫助那些更有需要的學校, 提高教學質量和改善學校設施, 或推行小班教學 la!

回水, 回水!  請好利用我們的資源 !

[ 本帖最後由 daisy17772 於 10-11-26 00:42 編輯 ]

silvia_ng

原帖由 Megarainbow 於 10-11-26 00:28 發表
而家9成9有問題.. 唉! 其實條數好易計, 而且大家不難發覺, 對比一下過去學校的資料, 學費一年比一年加得好利害. "所以我話, 審計處一直係甘查, 教育局只係識飲茶" 上個月我去TT小學聽入學簡介,校長好隱喻說自己學校 ...

係...TT最大支出係外籍老師人工...但又唔見佢買樓做宿舍 不過佢係私校, 冇人會查佢既, 佢同教會交代就得啦。
X正我都聽講過, 好似係咪捐左錢有舊磚, 會有個名留念架?

Megarainbow

而家9成9有問題.. 唉! 其實條數好易計, 而且大家不難發覺, 對比一下過去學校的資料, 學費一年比一年加得好利害. "所以我話, 審計處一直係甘查, 教育局只係識飲茶" 上個月我去TT小學聽入學簡介,校長好隱喻說自己學校家長不用額外捐款, 因為校舍同地方都不用向政府交租等. 我即時意會到其他學校可能經常要捐款而加重家長負責呢.點知不出一個月, 9成9 直資就比審計部"爆"出單大野.近日同朋友傾開計, 佢有姪女讀緊X正小學, 一開學無奈學校就有一個捐款活動, 有D家長捐成10萬以上大有人在. 而且重LIST 晒學生排名, 捐款愈多愈排頭位. 當然我朋友個姪女家長只捐個3千多, 可想而知排第幾啦. 其實捐款不是錯,LIST出比大家睇就好大問題囉. 比D小朋友希比較就唔係甘好啦.

KK07

Agreed with your points.  However, we do not really know each school's case, that's why I would not make a statement that all these DSS are breaking the rules.  

I may have a different viewpoint on educators as yours.  Yes, our society expect principals, teachers, and educators to have a higher moral standard. Yet, we never have and will not be able to have a test to test these educators' moral standard.  Therefore, I'd rather believe in a good control system.

原帖由 LUIGI 於 10-11-25 23:41 發表
No doubt EDB has failed to peform her duties to monitor those schools.   Yet its not quite right for the schools to take advantage of EDB's ignorance and failure.  Nobody will do cirmes simply because ...

silvia_ng

其實間間都有事, 係咪教育署指引唔清晰呢?

當然, 有D大是大非, 自己名買樓, 炒股等等, 有腦既管理層都應該有政治智慧, 唔做呢樣野。但其他個個都中招, 係咪真係由個根本就已經有問題呢?

KK07

I don't think that all DSS are badly managed.  Some may be just ignorant in the accounting records, and some are having bad management.  That's why EDB has the responsibility to give detailed guidance and take tight control on the financial issue of DSS.  Actually I think its not fair to disclose all the names to the public if EDB never has a detailed rules for DSS to follow, nor they never give any warnings to the DSS for their bad practices.

原帖由 brian61950 於 10-11-25 23:15 發表
其實又真係幾吹佢唔賬,做假數+虛假陣述如果係公司內發生,少少地坐幾年啦.
所以一係資助,一係私校或國際學校.
養肥個d直資做乜?

LUIGI

No doubt EDB has failed to peform her duties to monitor those schools.   Yet its not quite right for the schools to take advantage of EDB's ignorance and failure.  Nobody will do cirmes simply because there is no police around, right?  Schools are educational institution and must have very high moral standard and self discipline.  
I will hesitate to put my kids in a school which will break the rules when EDB is not watching her.

原帖由 KK07 於 10-11-25 23:08 發表
If 99% of the DSS schools have problems, the first questions I'd like to ask will be "What EDB has done in the past 10 years to manage the DSS schools?"  

I recall years ago I attended a ICAC talks r ...

brian61950

其實又真係幾吹佢唔賬,做假數+虛假陣述如果係公司內發生,少少地坐幾年啦.
所以一係資助,一係私校或國際學校.
養肥個d直資做乜?

原帖由 KK07 於 10-11-25 23:08 發表
If 99% of the DSS schools have problems, the first questions I'd like to ask will be "What EDB has done in the past 10 years to manage the DSS schools?"  

I recall years ago I attended a ICAC talks r ...

KK07

If 99% of the DSS schools have problems, the first questions I'd like to ask will be "What EDB has done in the past 10 years to manage the DSS schools?"  

I recall years ago I attended a ICAC talks regarding employee corruption.  It's not the employees' fault only, employer should clearly communicate to the empolyees that certain behaviour is not allowed.  E.g. if you allow a staff to get money from the accounts without proper approval, its the company's fault.  Because you are tempting people to break the rules.  Educators are not saints, what EDB has done to manage them?

A8888

AGREE!I HAVE SAME QUESTION AS YOU, WHERE IS THEIR MONEY??

原帖由 mscmit 於 10-11-25 10:45 發表


上年去過聽救恩簡介會，人哋係私校都收萬零蚊學費，反而某啲著名直資收四萬至六萬不等，貴救恩幾倍，我第一個感覺係，呢啲著名直資一面收政府錢，一面更收貴學費，點解冇人覺得唔妥嘅？啲錢去咗邊？

或者，原因只有一個，因為呢啲學校都 ...

ziyi

有一些個別的是入去幾多就6年都是咁多,不過係好少學校係咁
其中一間是LHT

原帖由 artroboy 於 10-11-25 14:08 發表
以我所知, 私校通常每年 6月會調整一次學費, from 5-13%不等, 係全體加, 唔會好似你咁講.

直/私都係要政府批先可加.

LUIGI

個別榜上有名的學校，已擁有極好的校舍和設備，為什麼仍千方百計加學費呢? 很不明白。

Jannet

i can accept private schools doing this kind of activities. but DSS no way lor - they receive government subsidies, that means taxpayers' money.  

arielhoney

買樓寫自己名,咁大件事又可以自己決定,然後等追認.....放肆!

artroboy

以我所知, 私校通常每年 6月會調整一次學費, from 5-13%不等, 係全體加, 唔會好似你咁講.

直/私都係要政府批先可加.

原帖由 LittleKidult 於 10-11-25 14:01 發表

其實加學費問題, 唔知係咪間間係咁, 新加學費應該只影響新入學學生, 其實有機會F5交緊$10000, F1交$15000既情況, 如果通賬出現, 真係要搵新生補貼舊生..... ...

LittleKidult

原帖由 artroboy 於 10-11-25 13:52 發表
我越黎越發現依家既做教育係變咗質, 好似最緊要有 noise, 有出色既宣傳技巧, 有華麗的包裝, 當大家對果班名牌補習http://adex.baby-kingdom.com/www/delivery/avw.php?bannerid=599&cb=2119社的所作所為噗之以鼻時,  ...

其實加學費問題, 唔知係咪間間係咁, 新加學費應該只影響新入學學生, 其實有機會F5交緊$10000, F1交$15000既情況, 如果通賬出現, 真係要搵新生補貼舊生.....

artroboy

我越黎越發現依家既做教育係變咗質, 好似最緊要有 noise, 有出色既宣傳技巧, 有華麗的包裝, 當大家對果班名牌補習社的所作所為噗之以鼻時, 請看看周圍...原來很多學校都十分認同及吹捧呢種風氣....果然金錢是萬惡為首~!

當你們遊行抗議殺校, 在每年狂加 10% 學費既同時, 唔該你地問清楚自己, 你地到底有無為教育下一代做緊貢獻?  為我地既小朋友做過一 d真正教育既野?

唔好同我講一些堂皇既藉口, 請做些實事.
唔該~!!

carolchanym

原帖由 mscmit 於 10-11-25 10:45 發表


上年去過聽救恩簡介會，人哋係私校都收萬零蚊學費，反而某啲著名直資收四萬至六萬不等，貴救恩幾倍，我第一個感覺係，呢啲著名直資一面收政府錢，一面更收貴學費，點解冇人覺得唔妥嘅？啲錢去咗邊？

或者，原因只有一個，因為呢啲學校都 ...

救恩在10-11年度學費是港幣三萬五千元, 另外, 雜費二千一百元...未計飯錢, 校車及課外活動...

ANChan59

原帖由 WYmom 於 10-11-25 09:34 發表
Actually famous schools got lots of money donated by parents and alumni, they in fact can change into private schools rather than receiving subsidies from govt.

Yes or no. Parents will complain famous schools only accept students who can afford expensive school fee.