Which IS is the best?

frenchfries

In terms of Academical result. eg, admission rate to the Ivy League in US or the top 10 universities in UK.

mattsmum

It's grade are belt curved, I will not want to rely on chinese as group 1 because I will be competing with those from china.

sample of IB chinese in china, I don't think hk students can normally handle it:

高二年级试题
卷一:
参考作品：
《李白诗选》 《杜甫诗选》 《白居易诗选》
从下列命题中任选一题，以上述作品中的两部为论述的基础，写一篇不少于1600字的评论文章。

命题：
1． 试举例分析古典诗歌所体现的时代特色。
2． 所学诗歌中反映了哪些不同的人生理想？举例说明。
3． 古典诗人在反映现实生活方面所表现的艺术手法有何不同？
4． 古典诗歌是如何描写人与自然的关系的？
5． 试举例分析诗人在其作品中所表达的政治理想。
6． 就艺术风格比较两位诗人。
7． 诗人是如何把社会现实与个人生活相结合的？举例说明。
8． 诗人在揭露社会阴暗面时采用的艺术表达的方式有何不同？作比较说明。

卷二:
阅读下列白居易的诗，择其一首加以评论，要求不少于1200字。

其一 轻肥
意气骄满路，鞍马光照尘。皆问何为者？人称是内臣。朱钹皆大夫，紫绶悉将军。夸赴军中宴，走马去如云，樽镭溢九酿，水陆路八珍。果擘洞庭橘，脍切天池鳞。食饱心自若，酒酣气益振。是岁江南旱。衢州人食人。

其二 赋得古原草送别
离离原上草，一随一枯荣。野火烧不尽，春风吹又生。远芳侵古道，晴翠接荒城。又送王孙去，萋萋满别情。

[ 本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 10-9-28 23:19 編輯 ]

Darth

原帖由 thankful 於 10-9-23 00:27 發表
Or could it be the Japanese and Korean "literature" are a lot easier?  Anyway, it doesn't really matter.  It's just in a way "unfair" to those taking Chinese.

Interesting point; and may be you are right.
China has a few thousand years of history. We have lots of literacy works and many of those works have a significant historical background to consider as well.
Fair or unfair? I think IS students should avoid Chinese A. Honestly, even Chinese B is not exactly "easy".

[ 本帖最後由 Darth 於 10-9-23 00:43 編輯 ]

Darth

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-9-22 23:53 發表
I clarify the point Chinese in HK just language, but IB is more Chi Lit, it's not easy and common for HK students. So the score is much lower.

As you said other countries may get used to their lite ...

I was merely trying to explain to thankful that, all Language A include literature appreciation. They are not particularly making Chinese A difficult. Check out the English A curriculum. Lots of literature appreciation too. So I believe Japanese A, Korean A, Italian A, etc all includes literature appreciation/critics.

And this does not only happen to IB curriculum. In Canada and the US, when we are talking about "English" in high school, there are also a lot of literature. So the inclusion of literature in the "langauge" curriculum is not uncommon.

Even in local Chinese curriculum, have we also studied literature as part of the 課文 as well? Go and check out local middle school Chinese text books. You will be able to spot the study of 出師表, 滿江紅, etc. These are also literature appreciation.

On the other hand Language B is much more "shallow". And that's why many international school students would only take Chinese B. (I must stress that Chinese B can still be quite challenging for many international school students.)

[ 本帖最後由 Darth 於 10-9-23 00:20 編輯 ]

ANChan59

原帖由 Darth 於 10-9-22 23:20 發表
Language A are all like that and include the study of literature. So it is NOT only Chinese that is harder.

I clarify the point Chinese in HK just language, but IB is more Chi Lit, it's not easy and common for HK students. So the score is much lower.

As you said other countries may get used to their literatures and score much much better in IB Languages.

Darth

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-9-22 18:23 發表
In IB, Chinese more Chi Lit type, it looks not very common in HK and Greater China. It's a shock to me the syllabus of IB Chinese is more Chinese than the local curriculum in HK.

As I know, IB rankin ...

Language A are all like that and include the study of literature. So it is NOT only Chinese that is harder.

Language B would be the language itself.

Yes, IB scores are scores of the student himself and his scores would not be adjusted by comparing to other students.

[ 本帖最後由 Darth 於 10-9-22 23:24 編輯 ]

ANChan59

In IB, Chinese more Chi Lit type, it looks not very common in HK and Greater China. It's a shock to me the syllabus of IB Chinese is more Chinese than the local curriculum in HK.

As I know, IB ranking related to absolute score and not draw a curve. Anyone double confirm this?

Darth

原帖由 thankful 於 10-9-22 17:10 發表
Looking at the breakdown of the IB results, it appears that it is so much easier to get 6 or 7 in Japanese A1 HL than Chinese A1 HL.  For example, in May 2009, 42% of the students got 7 and 44% got 6  ...

I would suspect thost that take Japanese A1 HL (Korean A1 HL) are all Japanese (Korean) students.
Let me just guess. Would it be that Japanese and Korean people are mostly good at their own languages, while Hong Kong Chinese are mostly NOT good at our own language? Heard in the past that the results of the Chinese exams in HKCEE and HKAL were not exactly impressive...
Sad.

ANChan59

原帖由 WYmom 於 10-9-18 08:45 發表
ANChan59 and Darth,

Thanks a lot for your kind advice.  It's very helpful.

Ha, when I offer many choices for my daughter at a glance, she picks recreational studies, so that she can play all the tim ...

Have you heard about play therapist in HA? Play can be serious to help some kids in medical field.

WYmom

ANChan59 and Darth,

Thanks a lot for your kind advice.  It's very helpful.

Ha, when I offer many choices for my daughter at a glance, she picks recreational studies, so that she can play all the time.  Agree with you that play is not negative, she is always a very sportive and artistic girl.

Good luck to your kids as well.

[ 本帖最後由 WYmom 於 10-9-18 08:46 編輯 ]

ANChan59

原帖由 WYmom 於 10-9-17 15:29 發表
Hi, ANChan59,

Agree with you, my daughter is best at English, Physics and Maths, business and economics are new to her.  She is not interested in medicine, just interested in playing.  Which program (say, in HKU) will be suitable for her?  Can you give me some advice?  Thanks.

Hi WYmom

It's difficult to recommend any specific program to your daughter as very limited info provided by you.

Just some suggestions you can go through with your daughter together:

• The easiest way is by elimination - my son won't go for Engineering, manufacturing etc after visiting some factories and operations in China;
• Play - not necessary negative, I learn from my son that their generation's interest and hobby not the same as what had in the past. Her current interest may be her future career. E.g. she is interested in computer, she likes to apply that and not necessary study IT or software etc.;
• Her combination can opt for Law, Global Business, Business and Law, Quantitative Finance, Accounting etc.;
• Inspiration - let her talk to professionals or your friends or contacts related to (3), she knows more about the pros & cons of different careers. She may not pick the "right one" right the way, she can massage those potential career ideas before making the final decision; and
• Exposure - let her experience some summer jobs or interships related to her potential career.

I hope it helps......

Darth

原帖由 WYmom 於 10-9-17 15:29 發表
Hi, ANChan59,

Agree with you, my daughter is best at English, Physics and Maths, business and economics are new to her.  She is not interested in medicine, just interested in playing.  Which progra ...

WYmom,

To answer your previous question, yes, it would be best if a student can decide early what he/she wants to do.

There 2 possible way of handling the situation, I think.

First way. Ask a child what he wants to do, then find out what subjects are needed and see whether he believe he can achieve that. I have a friend whose child wants to be an engineer. He was told that he has to have Math HL. He has not exactly been really good at Math all these time, but after knowing that he needs Math HL, he started working hard and have had really good grade in Y10.

Second way. See what a child is good at and see what he can do. For your daughter, since she has good Math and Physics, she probably more of the "science person". She can consider Engineering, Architecture, any lab Science (Forensic Science, Agriculture Science, or even pure Physics etc). Or even better, go to the website of the universities that you like and see what they can offer.
Not all universities offer the stream that you would want. For example,  Not all schools have  forensic science as an undergraduate program. Then you have to first major in Chemistry and further study a post graduate degree in forensic. Not all universities have Architecture.  Some have Urban Planning and Architecture is a Master program. Some, on the other hand, offer Architecture as a undergraduate program.

WYmom

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-9-17 12:47 發表
In general, your tactic work but we also need to consider the min. requirement of specific subjects, like HKU Medicine, you must have Chemistry HL.......

Just an example, my son opens for Medicine, Q ...

Hi, ANChan59,

Agree with you, my daughter is best at English, Physics and Maths, business and economics are new to her.  She is not interested in medicine, just interested in playing.  Which program (say, in HKU) will be suitable for her?  Can you give me some advice?  Thanks.

ANChan59

In general, your tactic work but we also need to consider the min. requirement of specific subjects, like HKU Medicine, you must have Chemistry HL.......

Just an example, my son opens for Medicine, Quantitative Finance and Global Business. He got good grades (88%+) in Physics, Chemistry and Maths in Grade 9. He will take Chemistry, Maths and Economics at HL, Physics, Chinese and English as SL, even his Physics will be better than Economics (new subject for him).