學樂器好還是學繪畫好？兩者能否比較？

eviepa

Dear all,

很久以前都已經想和大家討論這個題目，而前兩天ZZdaphne問我
//我想了解為什麼你希望女兒學繪畫，不希望她學樂器呢 ???// 所以我順便提出這個題目，讓大家討論一下吧。

我想女兒學畫，最主要原因是我喜歡繪畫，而不喜歡樂器。主觀願望想女兒畫一些好畫給我看，。不過，如果女兒真的只喜歡樂器，不喜繪畫，我會順從她的意願。實際上，她自己選擇了繪畫，而自己不喜歡樂器，和我的主觀意願暗合。

同樣道理，我熱愛打羽毛球，所以主觀願望是她也打羽毛球。不過，事與願違，她只喜歡打乒乓球，我唯有盡全力訓練她的乒乓球。

香港家長大部分都希望孩子學樂器，但以普通家長的思維推想，實應讓孩子學繪畫才對。先此聲明，我繪畫只識少少，樂器完全是門外漢，亦甚少和別人討論，所以以下分析，極不成熟，希望各界加點意見。

學費：繪畫便宜，學樂器貴。繪畫勝。

陶冶性情：打成平手。

有大成後用途：如果都能成大器，畫家及音樂家都有大作為。打成平手。

普通成就用途：今天，綱琴八級便可以憑此授徒賺錢。但二十年後，八級的人通街都是，價錢會隨著供應大增而鬥爛市。教繪畫大概也不會有好收入。平手。

升中用途：樂器太多人學，作用不大。繪畫少人學，但中學比較不用此作收生標準。平手。

文憑試用途：音樂高強的人太多了，文憑試音樂科是割喉式競爭。反而繪畫較冷門，文憑試對手弱得多，易取高分，容易幫助入大學。繪畫大勝。

學習過程的苦與樂：對繪畫或音樂有濃厚興趣的人，學習過程都是愉快的。但只有一點興趣的，練樂器是很痛苦的事。練繪畫的過程則相對地舒服。繪畫大勝。「*註」

成就的指標：樂器有系統，比如說，鋼琴可以有級數之分，可以準確描述學習進度。繪畫沒有。樂器大勝。

根據以上分析，似乎音樂勝過繪畫的，只是能知進度，能講出子女有多棒作眩耀外，別無優點。反而實質利益，繪畫大於樂器。

註：
1. 小弟練習繪畫時，會神遊物外，是樂趣不是苦悶。女兒亦有同樣感覺。
2. 聽得太多人講練習樂器的痛苦了，似乎公論是，學樂器是樂事，但練樂器是苦事。
3. 聽說，樂器最好是天天練，以培養手感；學畫則可能不需天天練畫，有興趣時便練也可，多練多得，但不需要天天練。

所以我因此而推斷，練習繪畫沒有練樂器那麼沉悶。

我再強調，這是不成熟的看法，發表此文，只為拋磚引玉。

eviepa

ahdee

Music has structural & proven methods in training(e.g. Suzuki violin method), also it has a lot different institutions to provide accreditions for learners with certain levels of competencies (e.g. ABRSM). So it might be relatively easier to tell whether your kid has reached certain skill level by taking music exam (which is reccognized and accepted almost everywhere around the world) from different accredited institutions.

I am not sure whether drawing/painint has this kind of benchmark that you can make reference to.

eviepa

其實天份是可以培養!
學習係要有動機，老師 是重要，如果去左一間無愛心的琴行或畫室學習，就算幾有天份，小朋友有興趣都變成無興趣。
由小到大就愛上中國畫(即水墨畫)，再有一位好老師 教導，無論畫成點老師 都讚賞。
這已是二十幾年前了

Fatherfather,

你很幸運，有個好老師。「無論畫成點老師 都讚賞。」就是關鍵，符合我一貫所鼓吹的：「多欣賞、讚賞、鼓勵」。

我相信，無論繪畫或樂器，如果要達至普通人所講的好，而不是很頂尖的水平，是不需天份的。只要有興趣，找一個像樣的老師，有恆心地學他幾年，肯定能達到。

eviepa

samuel89

原帖由 Laputa 於 10-7-9 14:42 發表
But why we need our hobby to reach "至top點"?  It's for personal enjoyment.  Lang Lang need to reach "至top點" coz it's his career.  
My expectation for enrolling my child to art/music lesson is to pr ...

人生苦短......總不能五音不全,對音準完全沒有feel, 但又希望總有一天會成為歌星吧.....我相信沒有天份, 不如將對音樂的興趣改為學習怎去欣賞,點到即止,..... 然後培養自己比較有天份的興趣, 怎都好過執著於音樂, 希望天份有一天會到臨吧.....

Laputa

But why we need our hobby to reach "至top點"?  It's for personal enjoyment.  Lang Lang need to reach "至top點" coz it's his career.  
My expectation for enrolling my child to art/music lesson is to provide them a channel to express their emotion, learn to appreciate culture &  陶冶性情.
Personally I prefer learning an music instrument than art because
1.  Music can be played in group or alone.  Drawing is more a lonely project
2. child will need a lot of practising in order to play a piece correctly and beautifully.  This experience can be applied to learing and studying.
3.  Music is a very gool channel to express mood.

Of course, this is on the assumption that the child really enjoy learning music, but not being pushed by their parents.

samuel89

原帖由 fatherfather 於 10-7-9 01:02 發表
其實天份是可以培養!
學習係要有動機，老師是重要，如果去左一間無愛心的琴行或畫室學習，就算幾有天份，小朋友有興趣都變成無興趣。
由小到大就愛上中國畫(即水墨畫)，再有一位好老師教導，無論畫成點老師都讚賞。
這已是二十 ...

但沒有天份很難,甚至永遠去不到至top點....

samuel89

原帖由 ZZdaphne 於 10-6-29 02:05 發表
不過最主要都係女兒無音樂細胞和天份mouth:" />

以上純粹個人經驗和觀點,不涉其他.

我覺得"音樂細胞和天份"真系上天既思賜....
大仔自細就對"音準"有天份, 別人走音,發錯音, 詩詞押韻都聽得出, 細仔就同我一樣點聽都覺得"差不多",完全分唔到 ...

eviepa

原帖由 Yanamami 於 10-6-29 10:15 發表
Really?  May I know where is your daughter's painting class?  My younger one likes to draw.

Check PM

ZZdaphne

原帖由 wunma 於 10-6-29 15:52 發表
主要原因我作了一個假設, 是因為孩子太早學樂器. 如能不為功利去學, 我覺得最好是小五以上, 甚或中學後才學, 會更易上手, 更自發練習, 更快玩到簡單的樂曲而越有興趣繼續學上去.

同意
阿女(中二生)今個暑假想學結他

壞處:
嘈到別人

[ 本帖最後由 ZZdaphne 於 10-6-29 23:44 編輯 ]

ZZdaphne

原帖由 eviepa 於 10-6-29 21:29 發表


Yanamami,

今次我連價錢都列出了，再給妳畫班的聯絡資料的話，就有兜售畫班之嫌，很可能已經犯了版規，所以幾經考慮之下決定不給妳，望能見諒。我不知道是否我囡囡的是超值，但很可能也有一間又相宜又好的畫室在妳家附近。

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pm 是可以的,
可能你會收到好多pm要你pm資料

eviepa

There are many students here in Hong kong learning piano, but how many really enjoy it?  I guess it is less than half.  Whatever learning instrument or painting, if the kid does not have an interest in it, he/ she will not doing it well.

Cherubic,

Totally agree with you. 和你一樣，是不是少於一半喜歡鋼琴我不肯定，但肯定有相當比例的不喜歡。課外活動，勉強無幸福。

I enrolled my son to painting class since K2, but his painting skill is extremely poor because he does not like it.  I sent him to learn piano since K1.  He is not playing it well but he likes it, so he keeps playing it and really enjoying it.  I think (or hope) he will be playing it well one day.

同意，祝琴藝日進千里。

eviepa

cherubic

There are many students here in Hong kong learning piano, but how many really enjoy it?  I guess it is less than half.  Whatever learning instrument or painting, if the kid does not have an interest in it, he/ she will not doing it well.

I enrolled my son to painting class since K2, but his painting skill is extremely poor because he does not like it.  I sent him to learn piano since K1.  He is not playing it well but he likes it, so he keeps playing it and really enjoying it.  I think (or hope) he will be playing it well one day.

eviepa

Really?  May I know where is your daughter's painting class?  My younger one likes to draw.

Yanamami,

今次我連價錢都列出了，再給妳畫班的聯絡資料的話，就有兜售畫班之嫌，很可能已經犯了版規，所以幾經考慮之下決定不給妳，望能見諒。我不知道是否我囡囡的是超值，但很可能也有一間又相宜又好的畫室在妳家附近。

eviepa

[ 本帖最後由 eviepa 於 10-6-29 21:30 編輯 ]

Yanamami

Really?  May I know where is your daughter's painting class?  My younger one likes to draw.

原帖由 eviepa 於 10-6-29 00:03 發表


Yanamami,

我不知是否價錢越貴，質素越好。不過，我囡囡現在上畫班，一舊水一個鐘，質素亦不錯。

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