蔡繼有升本地大學....需要考會考嗎?

carolsum

想問如讀蔡繼有而打算升本港大學,學生需要考香港會考嗎?

mattsmum

maybe parent's "fear" is not the sort of university they go to, but their job opportunities,

a lively, well educated, considerate, hard working, self motivated person, a person full of passion for life should be the ultimate goal for education.

bakusensei

原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-2-19 18:38 發表
i heard from university professor that the "fear" for them is decline in population.

now there are about 19, 000 university seats, in my child's birth year, the local baby born were only 39, 000, now ...

good point! never thought of it from this angle. thanks for your reminder! :)

According to C&SD’s figure, no. of life birth in past 15 yrs are as follows (unit: '000)

1996	63.3
1997	59.3
1998	53.0
1999	51.3
2000	54.1
2001	48.2
2002	48.2
2003	47.0
2004	49.8
2005	57.1
2006	65.6
2007	70.9
2008	78.8
2009	82.1 #

(#2009 data is provisional). Pls note the figures above include those with Mainland mothers (father may be HK citizen or not).  

[source: http://www.censtatd.gov.hk/showtableexcel2.jsp?tableID=004&charsetID=2]

mattsmum

i heard from university professor that the "fear" for them is decline in population.

now there are about 19, 000 university seats, in my child's birth year, the local baby born were only 49, 000, now people taking final exam in form 5 is about 90,000 to 100,000. it will be 49,000 one day.

[ 本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 10-2-19 23:56 編輯 ]

bakusensei

Regarding the policy to internationalize the local universities and the increasing demand of applications from the Mainland, you parents may be interested in the information from the Panel paper re. 2009-10 Policy Agenda: New Initiatives on Education [http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr09-10/ ... d1020cb2-35-1-e.pdf],

“3. On the higher education front, we will step up our efforts to further internationalise and diversify the sector. Regarding internationalisation, in the 2007 Policy Address, the Chief Executive has announced a basket of measures to further develop Hong Kong into a regional education hub. This includes doubling the non-local student quotas of the publicly-funded programmes to 20%, establishing the $1 billion HKSAR Government Scholarship Fund to provide government scholarships to outstanding local and non-local students, allowing non-local students to take on summer jobs and on-campus part-time jobs and enabling non-local students to stay in Hong Kong without limitations for 12 months after graduation. Following the implementation of these measures in 2008, the results are encouraging. For example, the number of non-local students studying in Hong Kong higher education institutions has increased from 7 900 in the 2007/08 academic year to 9 200 in the 2008/2009 academic year. Furthermore, the HKSAR Scholarship Fund provided $12 million scholarships in total to about 230 students in the 2008/09 academic year. Separately, over 5 000 non-local graduates have taken advantage of the new immigration arrangements for non-local graduates and applied to stay in Hong Kong after graduation.

You may wish to know that according to the LegCo Brief re. developing HK as a regional education hub made by the EDB in 2007 [http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManage ... legco%20brief-e.pdf],

“(footnote 1)Non-local students” refer to persons entering Hong Kong for the purpose of education with a student visa/entry permit issued by the Director of Immigration. They are to be distinguished from children aged below 18, who come to Hong Kong as dependants of persons admitted to work, study, reside or invest in Hong Kong and are treated as local students for the purpose of admission to institutions and schools in Hong Kong without immigration restriction.”

Some figures on the applicants from Mainland was also quoted in the brief:
“7. More and more non-local students, many of whom originating from the Mainland, are interested in pursuing studies in publicly-funded programmes in Hong Kong. In the 2006/07 academic year, there were over 30 000 applications (mostly from the Mainland) for the 1 450 first-year-first-degree places available, indicating huge potential demand. The quality of students applying is very high, and the majority from the Mainland are top students achieving high scores in the Joint Entrance Examination. The institutions have indicated to us their wish to enroll more non-local students to diversify the student mix, and to provide a more challenging and stimulating environment to local students.”


Thus, the increase of intake from non-JUPAS in recent years may be constitued from a combination of the following factors:
1) local students applying w/ overseas exam result;
2) increase of quota for non-local students;
3)counting graduates of AD/HD admitted to the degree programmes(?);
4)counting EAS as non-JUPAS [which a BK parent has kindly shared some infor showing the no. in recent yrs were relatively stable].
However, the problem is we do not know the breakdown.


While the universities will likely  make use of the approved 20% quota to recruit more non-local students to the UGC-funded programmes, whether they will face any pressure to maintain a certain intake from JUPAS may warrant our attention.

bakusensei

原帖由 TszYingMama 於 10-2-18 15:45 發表
Hi bakusensei,
If i am not going to plan my kids study in oversea, it means it is no chance to apply GCSE AL in HK.  Right? Pls correct me if I am wrong because i am not so clear the rules. Tks!


...

Hi TszYingMama,

HKEAA, apart from running the local public exam like HKDSE, is also "appointed/authorized" to "co-ordinate" quite a no. of overseas public exams  to be held in HK like TOFEL, SAT, AP, ACT, GCE, etc. (Infor. regarding GCE can be found at
http://www.hkeaa.edu.hk/tc/IPE/gce_gcse_igcse/gce/index.html )

But unlike TOFEL which u don't need much preparation for the exam, taking an additional and "self-study" GCE AL exam may be a bit stressful to the kids given the kids have to handle the IBP at the same time. If the kids have confidence on IBP, IBP itself can help them path a way. If not, taking two exams together will be even more difficult.

even if the competition in non-JUPAS by that time is extremely high, kids in IBP can still think of other options like going to free universities in Germany, Denmark, Sweden, etc. as IB is widely recognized, right? :)

For years, students all over the world took advantage of the free tuition degrees in Germany.

In recent years however, government policy has changed due to the rising cost of education and not every institute of higher learning is a tuition free uni.  But even if u can find a free uni, u still need to get prepared for other fees like living expenses, etc.

That's why some of my fds agrued that it's better to save the tuition fee for the future (high school + universities) rather than spending them earlier. But it all depends on whether you believe a happy and motivated learning in the early years is more benefitical to the kids.


Hope you find your way :)

[ 本帖最後由 bakusensei 於 10-2-19 11:58 編輯 ]

TszYingMama

Hi bakusensei,
If i am not going to plan my kids study in oversea, it means it is no chance to apply GCSE AL in HK.  Right? Pls correct me if I am wrong because i am not so clear the rules. Tks!

原帖由 bakusensei 於 10-2-18 00:00 發表


It all depends on whether you have confidence on CKY's curriculum design and emphasis on language training since P.1  over the local curriculum, right? :)

another pt is CKY kids will take GCSE and  ...

mattsmum

ever take gce a level before?

http://www.hkeaa.edu.hk/tc/ipe/gce_gcse_igcse/

bakusensei

原帖由 youma 於 10-2-17 21:43 發表


But I know that my elites from HK local schools are also well trained. They prepare for GCSE exams and will be well equipped for the IB exam after 334. So CKY has will have no advantage. Am I right? ...

It all depends on whether you have confidence on CKY's curriculum design and emphasis on language training since P.1  over the local curriculum, right? :)

another pt is CKY kids will take GCSE and go thr the GCSE curriculum. Thus, they will have the GCSE result for them to apply for UK schools. kids from local school will be under NSS and thus ve no public exam result.

youma

原帖由 bakusensei 於 10-2-17 14:24 發表


As kids in CKY will take GCSE, they can easily find schools in UK for taking GCE AL. I ve confidence in kids in CKY. They are well trained, particularly in both languages. It's not difficult for the ...

But I know that my elites from HK local schools are also well trained. They prepare for GCSE exams and will be well equipped for the IB exam after 334. So CKY has will have no advantage. Am I right?

bakusensei

原帖由 TszYingMama 於 10-2-17 12:24 發表
Hi bakusensei,
When we find IB is not suitable for them at that time, how can they change to GCE AL in CKY.  Is the syllabus match? Tks!

As kids in CKY will take GCSE, they can easily find schools in UK for taking GCE AL. I ve confidence in kids in CKY. They are well trained, particularly in both languages. It's not difficult for them to enter good schools in UK.

I know kids having around 24-25 marks in HKCEE entered good schools in UK and got gd offers in Imperial, UCL, Warwick, etc. after taking GCE AL. One even came back to HK to study medicine thr non-JUPAS. The mean for medicine that year was HKAL 2As! [but recent yrs were getting more difficult as many graduates in overseas universities also competed for the seats in medicine.]

TszYingMama

Hi bakusensei,
When we find IB is not suitable for them at that time, how can they change to GCE AL in CKY.  Is the syllabus match? Tks!

原帖由 bakusensei 於 10-2-17 10:09 發表


Thanks for your valuable information :) It clearly differentiated the intake from EAS to other non-JUPAS and showed the increase in % of non-JUPAS. should be a gd news for kids not taking local exam ...

bakusensei

原帖由 jaycee_mami 於 10-2-17 07:40 發表


我見這網站有介紹"非聯招"的實際數字, 很詳細的, 大家有時間睇睇:

http://www.com.cuhk.edu.hk/ubeat/100194/jupas.pdf

Thanks for your valuable information :) It clearly differentiated the intake from EAS to other non-JUPAS and showed the increase in % of non-JUPAS. should be a gd news for kids not taking local exam but targetting local universities.

I am not sure about the source (i.e. overseas? Mainland? IS in HK? HK kids taking overseas exam?) of the growing % of intake from non-JUPAS. It will be the best if the universities are kind enough to show us the break-down. This will reflect the real picture.

another concern is whether the intake (or to be more exact, the transfer) of kids completing the Associate Degree of the same university into the Bachelor's program will be taken into accout as well. Those will surely not counted under JUPAS (but will that be counted as "non-JUPAS" like EAS?) I ve this worry becoz City U has the highest % of non-JUPAS intake (but City U has no EAS intake). I guess probably, graduates from associate degree should enter year 2 rather than year 1. yet, i found that City U accepts graduates from gov't funded AD/HD programmes thr a scheme called "special admission scheme" and it indicated that "A key feature of the Special Admissions Scheme is the award of transfer credits, in recognition of prior studies, upon admission. Credit transfer varies among programmes. Successful applicants who are offered 30 or more transfer credits will be admitted to the senior year; otherwise, they will be admitted to the first year of study" (http://www.admo.cityu.edu.hk/undergrad/sas)

even if competition for non-JUPAS will be high and IB is not an easy exam to take when comparing with other overseas public exam, parents of CKY should not be worried. for one thing, CKY provides excellent language training and good curriculum to prepare kids for IB. for the other, kids in CKY will take GCSE exam and thus can still change to GCE AL in UK if they find that way is more suitable for them.

jaycee_mami

原帖由 wingsma 於 10-2-17 00:24 發表
那20%應包括國內外歐美非奧等學生，但20%只是現時數字，不是上限，如果很多國內勁人投考本港大學，本地IB和新高中文憑考生同時受壓，優勝劣敗，如果IB生成績優，新高中文憑入大學的人數便會減少，主要視乎大學收生喜好，以過去五年統計 ...

我見這網站有介紹"非聯招"的實際數字, 很詳細的, 大家有時間睇睇:

http://www.com.cuhk.edu.hk/ubeat/100194/jupas.pdf

wingsma

那20%應包括國內外歐美非奧等學生，但20%只是現時數字，不是上限，如果很多國內勁人投考本港大學，本地IB和新高中文憑考生同時受壓，優勝劣敗，如果IB生成績優，新高中文憑入大學的人數便會減少，主要視乎大學收生喜好，以過去五年統計，非聯招生的%由20升至26%。表示大學越來越偏向非聯招生。大學教授梗識貨喇！

[ 本帖最後由 wingsma 於 10-2-17 00:28 編輯 ]

jaycee_mami

原帖由 kermitan 於 10-1-4 17:15 發表

由於該校學生不會應考新高中學制的「香港中學文憑考試」，故不可採取本地課程畢業生「大學聯招」（JUPAS "Joint University Programmes Admissions System"）辦法入讀本地大學；但仍可用「非」聯招（Non-JUPAS）的方法入讀，例如香港大學每年約有20%（約800人）大學一年級生便屬於此類Non-JUPAS收生



由於該校學生不會應考新高中學制 ...

請問那20%, 即800人, 是否還包括國內和海外學生, 如北京, 上海, 新加坡等地?  如果國內和海外學生都計埋在內, 競爭很大喎, 因為港大係國內唔少學生的target.

penguin_chick

其實CKY Yr1 to Yr5 屬小學，還要寫畢業論文，中、英各一篇，最少一千字，(部份作品有三、四千字)能力遠超一般小六畢業生。
Yr6 to Yr10等同本地中一至中五，考IGCSE(eqv. to HKCE)。
Yr 11 to Yr 12 等同現時的中六中七，再考IBD。現時本港大學已接受IB學生(甚至是醫科)，大學三轉四後，IB學生更比新高中學生多讀一年中七，大學怎會不考慮？考試局，教育局投資多少是他們的事，大學會有好學生不收嗎？
再者，不少名校先轉DSS，再加入IB，還要選擇能力強的學生才能選IB，(皆因IB需較強的自學能力，要寫四千字EXTENDED ESSAY。)所以在本地考IB的可能會是精英中的精英，大學會不了解嗎？

[ 本帖最後由 penguin_chick 於 10-2-15 17:07 編輯 ]

mattsmum

thank you, this is the answer I am looking for.

bakusensei

原帖由 kerkermui 於 10-1-5 10:41 發表


sorry, 無link
消息應該有半年左右, 睇報紙得知嘅
原因係越嚟越多中學行IS, 同埋嚟緊334, 所以到時會有新安排

thanks kerkermui for your clarification.

I guess u r referring to those overseas public exam being administrated by HKEAA e.g. HKEAA's first admin. of ACT will be held in Feb 2010. (see http://www.hkeaa.edu.hk/hkeaa_newsletter/vol4/index_e.html)

HKEAA is quite unlikely to "create" a brand new local public exam for IS kids simply to let them enter local universities. For one thing, they won't invest the resources on it. they can't even get back the "cost" for local public exam (let alone getting any surplus) but they usually earn profits by administrating overseas exam. (http://news.sina.com.hk/cgi-bin/nw/show.cgi/1090/3/1/1355233/1.html). For the other, kids from IS are taking "overseas" public exam like GCEAL, IB, etc. and local universities actually accept a certain portion of kids with overseas public exam qualification  (either from IS or overseas) thr non-JUPAS. thus, there's no need to impose another local public exam for IS kids.

separately, i personally have some reservation on whether JUPAS will consider adopting qualification other than NSS. EDB has invested so much on NSS!!! [this is also part of the reasons why some "new DSS" "changed" back to have NSS only. even some will have IB, a certain portion of kids should still ve NSS, as long as they r still DSS. [CKY is private].

bakusensei

原帖由 kermitan 於 10-1-4 22:36 發表
OK，其實仍不太明您的問題，不過先答您問的資料:

JUPAS、Non-JUPAS只是考入本地大學的途徑（請參考我之前的posting），重點是您入了那間本地／海外大學而結果又拿甚麼degree，因此從未見過政府招聘廣告中會出現有關論述。

另外 ...

Thanks Kermitan for your detailed information. :) To address mattsmum's question, I would like to add a little clarification :

currently, 應 徵 學 位 或 專 業 程 度 公 務 員 職 位 的 人 士 ， 須 在 綜 合 招 聘 考 試 的 英 文 運 用 及 中 文 運 用 兩 張 試 卷 取 得 「 二 級 」 或 「 一 級 」 成 績 ， 以 符 合 有 關 職 位 的 一 般 語 文 能 力 要 求 。

香 港 高 級 程 度 會 考 英 語 運 用 科 或 General Certificate of Education (Advanced Level) (GCE A Level) English Language 科 「 C 」 級 或 以 上 成 績 會 獲 進 行 招 聘 的 職 系 / 部 門 接 納 為 等 同 綜 合 招 聘 考 試 英 文 運 用 試 卷 的 「 二 級 」 成 績 。 香 港 高 級 程 度 會 考 中 國 語 文 及 文 化 、 中 國 語 言 文 學 或 中 國 語 文 科 「 C 」 級 或 以 上 成 績 會 獲 進 行 招 聘 的 職 系 / 部 門 接 納 為 等 同 綜 合 招 聘 考 試 中 文 運 用 試 卷 的 「 二 級 」 成 績 。
In other words, if the system remains unchanged, those attending local exam (which will be 香港中學文憑) may have an adv of skipping both  英 文 運 用 及 中 文 運 用 兩 張 試 卷 in 綜 合 招 聘 考 試 whereas those attend GCE A Level will only be able to skip the  英 文 運 用 paper. [pls note that according to open source, CSB is still considering how to adopt 香港中學文憑 in its recruitment (see http://334.edb.hkedcity.net/doc/chi/FAQ_Civil-Service-Apppointment_June2009_c.pdf)]


but i don't think those really having the language ability for those jobs will find the exam difficult (both papers r actually quite easy).


on the other hand, it seems that CKY provides quite gd training to kids on both Eng and Chi, their kids should ve better adv if compared to kids from some IS not so stressed on Chi training. yet, the support from the family is more crucial. :)