赤柱St. Stephen vs 英華

fsforth

雖然英華還未放榜, 但係如果二選一, 將會是一個難題...

儘量不以學費和地點去決定, 只用兩間學校對小朋友既學業, 語文基礎, 品德, 和學校生活作考慮, 你會要邊間?

fsforth

結果出了! 二選一, 95% 我會選英華而放棄SSCPS

我接觸過不少兩校的準家長, YW的比較可愛和平易近人.

而我還有一個細女要養, Value for money 絕對要consider...而且SSC個plan 係會加宿舍收海外生, 到時年年加學費, 月花過萬讀小學, 寧願留起來供個仔出國讀大學好過!

appletree09

原帖由 ssspwong 於 09-12-14 21:53 發表
OK. It is your model as you like it.

  

Absolutely agreed with sspwong said academic is the not the only crucial criteria for the childen's life long learning life. How to cope with other people as well as having better communication skills are more important in these days.

ssspwong

OK. It is your model as you like it.

原帖由 dvb 於 09-12-14 21:02 發表


Then, let me add one more category

5. people who experienced heavy studyload and could cope with it don't choose "harsh" school because they are forward looking people that know the important essen ...

dvb

原帖由 ssspwong 於 09-12-14 20:48 發表
Sorry, I think you have oversimplified the situation.

I am a member belonged to Category II as you have mentioned, i.e. people who experienced heavy studyload and could cope with it.

However, my h ...

Then, let me add one more category

5. people who experienced heavy studyload and could cope with it don't choose "harsh" school because they are forward looking people that know the important essence for success in the future would be very different from the past -- Acadeimic standard is only ONE of the factors for success,  and it is even not the most crucial and decisive factors.

ssspwong

Sorry, I think you have oversimplified the situation.

I am a member belonged to Category II as you have mentioned, i.e. people who experienced heavy studyload and could cope with it.

However, my history does not affect my decision for choosing school for my child. I am a forward looking person that I know the important essence for success in the future would be very different from the past -- Acadeimic standard is only ONE of the factors for success,  and it is even not the most crucial and decisive factors.

原帖由 dvb 於 09-12-14 11:27 發表


This may be NATURAL.

1. people had a hard time when they had heavy loads in their childhood won't send their children to such harsh schools.

2. people could cope with the heavy loads will send the ...

childrenfirst

very true...

原帖由 cmchang0927 於 09-12-14 10:53 發表
And there is an interesting phenomenon.  The two friends of mine (studied in SSCPS from P.1 to F.7) preferred to send their kids to Kei Wan Primary school (much workloads) rather than SSCPS as they bo ...

dvb

原帖由 cmchang0927 於 09-12-14 10:53 發表
And there is an interesting phenomenon.  The two friends of mine (studied in SSCPS from P.1 to F.7) preferred to send their kids to Kei Wan Primary school (much workloads) rather than SSCPS as they bo ...

This may be NATURAL.

1. people had a hard time when they had heavy loads in their childhood won't send their children to such harsh schools.

2. people could cope with the heavy loads will send their children to such harsh schools because they didn't feel any pressure before and they don't think it would be too harsh to their children.

3. people without heavy loads in their childhood may be attracted very much by the very good academic result of such harsh schools because they didn't experience any difficulties of heavy workload before.

4. people who had not experience heavy loads in their childhood and don't believe heavy loads will not send their children to such harsh schools.

[ 本帖最後由 dvb 於 09-12-14 11:29 編輯 ]

cmchang0927

And there is an interesting phenomenon.  The two friends of mine (studied in SSCPS from P.1 to F.7) preferred to send their kids to Kei Wan Primary school (much workloads) rather than SSCPS as they both live in Sai Wan Ho.  They wanted their kids to have a more hardworking time.  But for some friends that I know from Kei Wan, they claimed that they wouldn't let their kids to study in Kei Wan in the future cos' the high workload.  I think parents always want the things that haven't been done well in their childhood to be corrected.

ssspwong

You reminded me that in my old years, Cheung Shuk Shan had been very famous for his high success rate for the two universities and it was very pushing . It seems that it is not as renown as before. Why?

原帖由 cmchang0927 於 09-12-13 22:40 發表
And I forgot to mention that, 18 years ago, when I compared my school's atmosphere to Cheung Shuk Shan (I have some friends there), it was completely different.
CSS:
- no branded stuff
- students were ...

fsforth

原帖由 cmchang0927 於 09-12-13 22:40 發表
And I forgot to mention that, 18 years ago, when I compared my school's atmosphere to Cheung Shuk Shan (I have some friends there), it was completely different.
CSS:
- no branded stuff
- students were ...

不可能以地區名校來比較, 它們很多都是資源有限, 要在運動, 音樂等範疇去提升校譽, 難度很高, 不如"死谷爛谷", 搏公開試好成績, 成本低, 效益高, 保得住英中之餘又可以偶然有狀元見報, 對學生來講, 大部分都是來自普通收入的家庭(正如我自己小時一樣), 讀書只是唯一的出路, 運動音樂已經成為奢侈品, 成績 is a matter of survival!

對於其他傳統名校, 特別是學費貴的, 學生多來自中產以上家庭, 未必知道一無所有的壓力, 考試成績不好可以去外國, 有錢自然有書讀, 有一部分學生他們不是資質低, 而是沒有危機感, 所以成績也不會好.

對於SSC, 我會把它定位成為"有中文科的國際學校", 大家心目中的國際學校就是"貴\自由\English environment\重人權\creative\presentable"

英華小學也不算是傳統的學校, 活躍的小朋友也會有快樂的學校生活, 不過, 學校在學術上絕對是有要求, 成績有保證!

[ 本帖最後由 fsforth 於 09-12-14 09:15 編輯 ]

cmchang0927

And I forgot to mention that, 18 years ago, when I compared my school's atmosphere to Cheung Shuk Shan (I have some friends there), it was completely different.
CSS:
- no branded stuff
- students were v. innocent (no love affairs in lower   forms)
- don't spend much time on Athletics and music
- teachers revised stuff with them frequently
So I really think that SSC is very different from the traditional schools.  My friend is running a tutorial centre (she is an old girl of SSCPS and SSC from P.3 to F.7), she told me that the Eng standard of SSCPS now is high but the Chinese is not so good.  Although the Eng standard is high, the expectaion of the teacher is not high.  She has a student from SSCPS P.4 now.  She told me that the marking of the homework is not harsh, still commented good when it was not so good........... but I think it's the style of foreign teaching.   One thing can have 2 different views, u can say that it's good for the kids if you prefer your kid to have a happy learning environment.   It's just what you want your kid to have.................

原帖由 fsforth 於 09-12-13 17:07 發表


我所知的就是這樣, 不過, 盲目追明牌不一定是有錢人家的玩意, 窮的一樣會追. 而拍拖問題, 學校又有沙灘又有山, 風景優美, 根本就是拍拖的好地方! 不過, 現在資訊發達, 就算讀男校/女校也一樣會有機會拍拖.

很多香 ...

[ 本帖最後由 cmchang0927 於 09-12-13 22:42 編輯 ]

ssspwong

You can check that the current principal of SSC is a very young lady. And, the faculty for its DSS section is different from the subsidized one. They employ more NET for lower forms. Not only the syllabuses, but only the batch of students are very different from the previous ones.

Although SSC is not my only option in the future, I won't benchmark the "new" SSC with YW, because I know the " expected values" I get from SSC are different from those that YW could give us.

(*I have no detailed knowledge about YW. I think it is a good school for many parents. )

Nevertheless, it is always parents' own decision for choosing schools for their children. No need to argue.

[ 本帖最後由 ssspwong 於 09-12-13 20:05 編輯 ]

fsforth

原帖由 cmchang0927 於 09-12-13 13:37 發表
Just for your reference, my knowledge to SSCPS is not updated.  I studied F.1 to F.3 in SSC 18 yrs ago.  For the secondary school at that time, it's not academic strong.   
Disadvantages:
1.  Love Aff ...

我所知的就是這樣, 不過, 盲目追明牌不一定是有錢人家的玩意, 窮的一樣會追. 而拍拖問題, 學校又有沙灘又有山, 風景優美, 根本就是拍拖的好地方! 不過, 現在資訊發達, 就算讀男校/女校也一樣會有機會拍拖.

很多香港學生都未能做到"outgoing and presentable in English", 成績好的也不少是"電車男"

fsforth

原帖由 childrenfirst 於 09-12-13 16:09 發表
SSC changed the school principal in the last 2 years. The new principal should be better. In fact, I once read about their 2008 data, it was much better than the year 2006. However, I have forgotten t ...

Do you mean primary section? It had great increment in Band1 student %.
http://www.sscps.edu.hk/notice/08-09/Headmistressreport2008.pdf

I don't find any HKCEE report in SSC web site.

childrenfirst

SSC changed the school principal in the last 2 years. The new principal should be better. In fact, I once read about their 2008 data, it was much better than the year 2006. However, I have forgotten the exact figures now.

Still, YW's academic maybe more solid.

Chole

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元朗               新界鄉議局元朗區中學 20.8
                     天主教崇德英文書院 20.6
                     元朗商會中學 20.5
                     趙聿修紀念中學 20.4
                     元朗信義中學 16.7
                     東華三院盧幹庭紀念中學 13.6

北區               香港道教聯合會鄧顯紀念中學 24.5
                     東華三院李嘉誠中學 21.3
                     東華三院甲寅年總理中學 19
                     田家炳中學 15.8
                     聖公會陳融中學 15.6

西貢               將軍澳官立中學 18.8
                     迦密主恩中學 16.9

沙田               沙田官立中學 20.4
                     保良局胡忠中學 20
                     恒生商學書院 19.5
                     聖公會曾肇添中學 19.3
                     沙田循道衛理中學 18.7
                     浸信會呂明才中學 18.4
                     沙田培英中學 18.3
                     聖母無玷聖心書院 17.2
                     五旬節林漢光中學 16.6
                     聖公會林裘謀中學 16.5
                     沙田蘇浙公學 16.3
                     樂善堂楊葛小琳中學 13.6
                     天主教郭得勝中學 13.6
                     聖羅撒書院 13

大埔               沐恩中學 19.4
                     聖公會莫壽增會督中學 19.3
                     王肇枝中學 18.6
                     迦密柏雨中學 17.7
                     救恩書院 16.2
                     恩主教書院 15.6
                     羅定邦中學 15.3

荃灣             荃灣公立何傳耀紀念中學 22.5
                     荃灣官立中學 17.9
                     可風中學（嗇色園主辦） 15.4

葵青              順德聯誼總會李兆基中學 19.6
                    中華傳道會安柱中學 18.6
                    聖公會林護紀念中學 17.7
                    東華三院伍若瑜夫人紀念中學 16.8
                    保祿六世書院 13.7
                    保良局八三年總理中學 13.6
                    天主教母佑會蕭明中學 13.5
                    佛教善德英文中學 12.3
                    皇仁舊生會中學 10.8

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I hope hui916 doesn’t mind me to copy the above info.

I know the public exam result is expected to improve with the change to DSS, but the past exam results of HKCEE does not inspire confidence (I assume there is no drastic change in terms of teachers and curriculum) and personally I am not willing to pay the high tuition and traveling expenses for this kind of standard.

For the primary section, a staff from a tuition centre told me that their Chinese level is not particularly high, but I am not sure what other schools she was comparing with.



No offence to those who love the school.
I am just very 孤寒 and would hope to save the money for other uses.

Chole

That’s what I copied from another thread”名校會考成績一覽”:
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以是是我查到的2006年全港各區會考資料. 最近的資料暫時拿不到:

地區                   學校           會考最佳六科平均分數
東區                張祝珊英文中學    22.8
                      庇理羅士女子中學 19.4
                      金文泰中學 18.4
                      香港中國婦女會中學 17
                      聖馬可中學 16.9
                      寶血女子中學 15.3
                      嘉諾撒書院 13.4
                      筲箕灣官立中學 11.5

灣仔                聖保祿中學 18.3
                      皇仁書院 17.4
                      聖保祿學校 17.1
                      嘉諾撒聖方濟各書院 16.7
                      瑪利曼中學 16
                      香港真光中學 15.4
                      何東中學 14.4
                      香港華仁書院 14.1
                      玫瑰崗學校 7

中西區             聖保羅男女中學 22.5
                      聖士提反女子中學 20.1
                      英皇書院 19.1
                      聖若瑟英文書院 18.8
                      英華女學校 16.8
                      聖類斯中學 16.6
                      聖嘉勒女書院 15.7
                      高主教書院 15.3
                      聖保羅書院 15

南區                嘉諾撒聖心書院 19.5
                      聖公會呂明才中學 18
                      香港真光書院 14.5
                      嘉諾撒培德書院 13.7
                      聖士提反書院 11.6

油尖旺             保良局莊啟程預科書院 21.4
                      拔萃女書院 20.3
                      嘉諾撒聖瑪利書院 19
                      循道中學 18.8
                      中華基督教會銘基書院 16.9
                      伊利沙伯中學 16.8
                      華仁書院（九龍） 16.7
                      真光女書院 15.2

深水土步          寶血會上智英文書院 20.1
                      長沙灣天主教英文中學 19.3
                      英華書院 18
                      中華基督教會銘賢書院 17.8
                      香島中學 17.3
                      瑪利諾神父教會學校 15.7
                      德雅中學 15
                      佛教大雄中學 13.6
                      聖母玫瑰書院 11.7
                      德貞女子中學 11.6

觀塘                聖言中學 21.5
                      觀塘官立中學 17.2
                      藍田聖保祿中學 16.7
                      聖傑靈女子中學 16
                      順利天主教中學 15
                      聖安當女書院 14.1
                      梁式芝書院 10.2

九龍城             拔萃男書院 22.2
                      喇沙書院 21.7
                      瑪利諾修院學校（中學部） 20.7
                      基督教女青年會丘佐榮中學 19.6
                      協恩中學 18.7
                      何文田官立中學 18.4
                      香港培正中學 17.9
                      旅港開平商會中學 17.3
                      民生書院 15.9
                      華英中學 15.7
                      九龍真光中學 15.6
                      東華三院黃笏南中學 14.9
                      香港培道中學 13.1
                      何明華會督銀禧中學 12.9
                      嘉諾撒聖家書院 12.2
                      迦密中學 12.1

黃大仙             保良局第一張永慶中學 22.5
                      可立中學（嗇色園主辦） 19.5
                      德望學校 17.4
                      中華基督教會協和書院 16.2
                      聖母書院 11.9

屯門                順德聯誼總會梁銶琚中學 21
                      保良局百周年李兆忠紀念中學 20.8
                      保良局董玉娣中學 17.9
                      南屯門官立中學 16.6
                      仁愛堂田家炳中學 16.6
                      屯門天主教中學 15.9
                      宣道中學 15.8
        香港九龍塘基督教中華宣道會陳瑞芝紀念中學 14.1

to be continued......

[ 本帖最後由 Chole 於 09-12-13 15:36 編輯 ]

cmchang0927

Just for your reference, my knowledge to SSCPS is not updated.  I studied F.1 to F.3 in SSC 18 yrs ago.  For the secondary school at that time, it's not academic strong.   
Disadvantages:
1.  Love Affairs - once there was a new yr of F.1 girls, the upper form guys would spot for the most beautiful one and stand outside of her classroom to know her.  Then within a month of her F.1 life, she would have a bf already, v. funny!
2.  Use of branded stuff - use of bold, Mduck and jean paul school bags, etc in our yrs.
3.  HKCEE results not so good - my friend with 11 marks can get back to F.6 directly, cos' some more even got 8 marks can get back.  

Advantages:
1. Very good environment!  Similar to the environment I studied in UK after F.3.
2. Emphasizes music and sports
3. Have swimming lessons for PE.
4. Co Edu
5. Although HKCEE result overall was not good.  But still have some good students.  I have some friends who got into HKU Medicine, CU architecture finally.  As I remember, the best result for my friends' year is 4A.

I think it has improved a lot after it was marginally classified as an Eng secondary school  Sometimes, academic may not the best way that the kids show their talents.  So it really depends on how yr kid is.  For SSCPS, I m so sure your kid will have a happy life there.  But if you are the parent that aiming for best public exam results, then DBS and YW, etc will be more suitable