Any comment about CWBS

crystalhung37

My daughter is studying in a small IS.
I want to switch him to the ESF school.
I live in Kln side and the address is belonged to the catchment of CWBS.
My friend said it is more easier to get in CWBS than other ESF school and it has more foreigners students. Is it true?

How about this school is good?
Pl give me some advice. Thanks!

WYmom

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-11-19 08:22 發表
Wymom,

Yes, my kids do not study at CWBS or any ESF. I have visited the school before, and know the curriculum, beautiful school, curriculum is good, like many other IS, same philiosophy, and mission ...

Pianokc,

That's fair enough.  I believe no matter in which school, if parents can spend more time to guide the kids and work along with the school particularly in primary stage, kids will develop their talents, skills and knowledge much better than those who are just taken care by the maids.

Just like Wisekid2007, he has chosen good schools for his son and nurture him with lots of afforts at home.   It all depends on the parents' expectation and afforts we put in.

Nice talking to you, have a good day.

Pianokc

Wymom,

Yes, my kids do not study at CWBS or any ESF. I have visited the school before, and know the curriculum, beautiful school, curriculum is good, like many other IS, same philiosophy, and mission.

BUT, with at least over 10 years experience I have had with many differenct ESF kids, (I have students from many different chools...) there is a certain difference in ESF kids, and others in "learning" attitudes and academic levels. ESP in the last 4 years ....That is something I am sure of, and NOT going to change in my opinion.

You are DEFINITELY right though, with ANY school, whether it works better or not with the child, it is very dependent on how the parents cooperate with the school.

This is just based on my experience.
I know this ONE kid that goes to CWBS, he is very smart, talented, very advanced and a very good kid in every way.... not a result of the school, but his father. His father's way of raising him, and teaching him, and guiding him, no matter which school he goes to, am sure, his son will be like this. However, if he attended a school with further academic demands, don't know whether he would go even further? This is something no one knows I guess. But parenting and the time the parents dedicate to their kid is definitely a MAJOR factor whether child is doing well with the school or not.

I guess that applies to everything, even my piano students, the students who have parents that sit in my piano lesson from the first day are MUCH better students than those who just get dropped off.

However, not all parents have THAT much time, hence, if you are a busy parent that doesn't have a lot of time to spend with your child, and teaching your child.... then ESF is, in my opinion, NOT a good choice.

原帖由 WYmom 於 09-11-19 07:19 發表


Are you talking about your piano students??  Your own kids are not studying in CWBS or ESF, right??  Have you ever visited the school to kno more about the cirriculum, activities and the majority of ...

[ 本帖最後由 Pianokc 於 09-11-19 08:27 編輯 ]

WYmom

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-11-18 23:23 發表
I think CWBS is a good school for CERTAIN kids, I was just speaking about MY kids.

My kids don't have TONS of workload from their IS, they have reasonable amount.

I believe homework should be part o ...

Are you talking about your piano students??  Your own kids are not studying in CWBS or ESF, right??  Have you ever visited the school to kno more about the cirriculum, activities and the majority of students there?

My own kids studying in ESF (not CWBS) are having good writing and oral skills, and they learnt the skills from school only.  They only learnt extra Chinese after schools.  I have experience helping in the schools and I know many students there.  As far as I know, usually girls are better in language skills and discipline than boys.  I think this applies to students in other schools too.  

As many parents have pointed out before, ESF does not select students based on academics upon admission.  There are very good ones to problem ones.  Some parents are carefree and some are always very anxious about academics.   Whether the kids meet the expectation of parents depends if parents work well with the school or not.

Pianokc

I think CWBS is a good school for CERTAIN kids, I was just speaking about MY kids.

My kids don't have TONS of workload from their IS, they have reasonable amount.

I believe homework should be part of every child's daily routine, as a time where the child learns to increase this length of time as he/she grows older.

I don't think discipline and settling down (sit down time) happens overnight, if one day your child needs to change school, the homework, and workload is more than this one significantly, your child would be at a lost. A child eventually must learn to work independently, and writing is a major part of school work.... this needs time to build up.

I agree with the comment, a good school has nothing to do with homework or no homework, it's just one aspect.

ESF has its good things, but it's not well rounded in my opinion. It might be good enough for some parents.... what cara2006 is partly true, oral is strong, writing is very weak.

I have a 5 year old boy student, he goes to CWBS, is it normal for a child not to know the difference between letter B and D at this age? And, can't even sit down to read with me for 3 minutes.

This is not the first child from ESF I have this experience. That's why I say what I say. I have a lot of discipline problems, and "sit down" time with ESF students.

[ 本帖最後由 Pianokc 於 09-11-19 02:35 編輯 ]

popolung

原帖由 oooray 於 09-11-18 13:33 發表

sometimes my children sleep at 8pm.

She started to sleep at 8pm or 8:30pm, now I try to let her sleep at 9 pm or 930pm so she has a bit more time to read more stories and play some games before sleep!

tingtingting

On the question of sleep, here is an article that I think all parents should read: http://nymag.com/news/features/38951/

Some quotes from the articles:
"A few scientists theorize that sleep problems during formative years can cause permanent changes in a child’s brain structure: damage that one can’t sleep off like a hangover."

"The performance gap caused by an hour’s difference in sleep was bigger than the normal gap between a fourth-grader and a sixth-grader. Which is another way of saying that a slightly sleepy sixth-grader will perform in class like a mere fourth-grader. “A loss of one hour of sleep is equivalent to [the loss of] two years of cognitive maturation and development,”"

"Teens who received A’s averaged about fifteen more minutes sleep than the B students, who in turn averaged eleven more minutes than the C’s, and the C’s had ten more minutes than the D’s."

WYmom

原帖由 Reximom 於 09-11-18 14:25 發表


Agree on what you said, but your advices also apply to those parents used to bad mouth local schools. They like to stereotype local schools, but actually they know nothing about the full range of lo ...

Reximom,

This topic is in no way related to local schools sterotyping.  No matter who you want to talk to or attack, please use your own words rather than always copying others' words, if you respect yourself.

oooray

原帖由 popolung 於 09-11-18 13:13 發表
My daughter was in Abacus and then now in CWBS. Good school and I am proud of both of them. If you don't like ESF better go find some other school, but not come here and badmouth ESF. I feel regret th ...

sometimes my children sleep at 8pm.

almom

Whether a school is good has nothing to do with workload.

There are lots of very advanced after school English writing classes particularly tailor made for international schools. I know that a lot of international schools students, particularly those in the upper secondary school go to those classes. No big deal.

[ 本帖最後由 almom 於 09-11-18 13:21 編輯 ]

popolung

My daughter was in Abacus and then now in CWBS. Good school and I am proud of both of them. If you don't like ESF better go find some other school, but not come here and badmouth ESF. I feel regret that some parents still think they want their kids to learn good English but come with tons of homework. Better go to local school then. I like my daughter's way of life that now she has enough time to play and sleep after school. Now everyday she sleeps at 9pm. I guess your kids in local school need to sleep at 11pm.... diff lifestyle, don't be jealous.

[ 本帖最後由 popolung 於 09-11-18 13:19 編輯 ]

WYmom

Cara2006 has used to bad mouth or attack ESF schools and students for many years without any personal experience, supporting facts or data.  So no need to trust any of her comment.  She knows nothing about ESF kids.

ESF students normally take after school Chinese classes, not English classes.  Most of them are developed to be all-rounded in music, sports and academic.

For those who are interested in whichever school, it is better for you to visit the school, do more research from its past records and the students/ parents of the school.   Don't just take comments from unknown people here who are completely irrelevant.

[ 本帖最後由 WYmom 於 09-11-18 13:07 編輯 ]

Cara2006

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-11-15 00:05 發表
I would never send my kids to CWBS.  My students from there are smart kids, but their focus are NEVER academic. The parents let them play tennis, golf, swim, hockey, playdates... all the time. Hardly  ...

What you described is typical with ESF kids.
No academic skills. No homework. Parents have to send kids to lots of tutors, INCLUDING ENGLISH. The reason is that the kids are really not learning much. Some ESF parents here are so proud of their English standard, but unfortunately, it is not a secret that many ESF students have to attend after school English classes. Most of them are good at reading, but they are limited to reading for fun and leisure. Most cannot really comprehend the actual content of the book. Many more are really bad at writing. If oral English is all you want and need, I have no doubt ESF is good. But if you want your child to be good are reading and writing too, good luck.
My choice of international schools would be ICS, Singapore IS, HKIS, etc. ESF is at the bottom of the list.

[ 本帖最後由 Cara2006 於 09-11-18 12:14 編輯 ]

cocobean225

Clear Water Bay School

原帖由 shaughnessy 於 09-11-18 09:20 發表
What is CWBS?

shaughnessy

What is CWBS?