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mattsmum

但又真係幾可悲，香港咁富裕既社會，我地仍然要祈盼政府改變制度，先至夠膽去作出思維和行為上的改變。要幾時先可以調轉，係人民的思想去改變政府的制度

perhaps this is the "colonial" thinking mode- can't make up his mind/ can't make a choice/ can't rebel against the system.(又離題太遠了，especially when in the other topic the discussion of famous school is so hooooot.)

[ 本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 09-10-5 23:23 編輯 ]

Tommy

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-10-5 17:08 發表
*您一夜之間的思維改變，係因為您有得選擇。老老實實，有無d平d既choice可以比我參考呢？*

Firstly, I was not 一夜之間的思維改變. It took time to have in-depth understand and also experienced the changes of my b ...

Many thanks for your tips.  I'll consider it.

Tommy

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-10-5 14:44 發表
This is no need to waste such a long time. As I have said before that "腦子總是跟著屁股走"

Once we have changed the system, the behaviour of the schools as well as those parents will be changed.

My  ...

我都係學券制的支持者，非常同意你的分析和建議。

但又真係幾可悲，香港咁富裕既社會，我地仍然要祈盼政府改變制度，先至夠膽去作出思維和行為上的改變。要幾時先可以調轉，係人民的思想去改變政府的制度？（又離題太遠了）

您一夜之間的思維改變，係因為您有得選擇。老老實實，有無d平d既choice可以比我參考呢？

Tommy

samuel89

原帖由 Tommy 於 09-10-5 13:54 發表
呢單野，蓋棺都未能定論。我地有d家長話 work 唔 work 到，唔係睇今日，係睇十年、二十年、三十年。但無可否認，今日work得唔係幾好，work得唔好就變成弱者，弱者就要被強者驅逐，這就是現實。

Tommy ...

如果你用小朋友既未來來計算.....就算50年後都未必可以蓋棺定論.....

但用現實來計算....無可否認系唔work....但系"衰"教學理念問題or 學校本身管理問題就有排"拗".....
不過睇學校本身受歡迎程度每下愈況....証明左學校系達唔到家長既期望啦....

Tommy

原帖由 mattsmum 於 09-10-5 13:57 發表
"腦子總是跟著屁股走"

fully agree, education is also affected by:
1. sytem,
2. teachers produced by this sytem,
3. parents produced by this system.

maybe only 外援will help to make the real change. ...

每一項教育政策大概要玩十年先可以稍作「微調」，政策之上的體制，大大話話要幾十年先郁得。要改變幾萬個教師的固有心態，我諗要花一至兩代人。要解放家長的思維？一個世紀夠唔夠呢？

Tommy

mattsmum

"腦子總是跟著屁股走"

fully agree, education is also affected by:
1. sytem,
2. teachers produced by this sytem,
3. parents produced by this system.

maybe only 外援will help to make the real change.

Tommy

原帖由 samuel89 於 09-10-5 11:58 發表


只可以講句臻美黃乾享既教學理念系work既話....
而家應該系臻美接管福建組成一條龍....唔系變成福建附屬小學...

呢單野，蓋棺都未能定論。我地有d家長話 work 唔 work 到，唔係睇今日，係睇十年、二十年、三十年。但無可否認，今日work得唔係幾好，work得唔好就變成弱者，弱者就要被強者驅逐，這就是現實。

Tommy

Tommy

原帖由 judy 於 09-10-5 09:40 發表


0002講的是教育制度。
ChiChiPaPa講的"實際的教學內容，以至教學素質"。是理想學校。
Eviepa講的是家教。

呢邊幾好玩，回posts回得好快。

原來我糊里糊塗走入來去回幾個各自表述的posts，咁我講果d都幾難唔係廢話喇！

Tommy

原帖由 eviepa 於 09-10-4 13:21 發表
Tommy,

如果有家長覺得「思考能力、學習興趣、解決問題、創意的訓練」是選校最重要的條件，而不是出產大量band 1生的話，從前的臻美的確是一個很好的選擇。這個對mattsmum的回應應該說是半講笑半認真。

認真的一半是，ma ...

「思考能力、學習興趣、解決問題、創意的訓練」

呢D係一個人要生存就要具備的最基本能力，有那一個家長不渴求？有那一間學校夠膽話自己唔係朝這個目標去辦學？但現實係……這些東西在香港都變成奢侈品，要去到山頂才可找得到，點解？點解？


Tommy

samuel89

原帖由 Tommy 於 09-10-4 08:26 發表
eviepa,

我唔使細味都知mattsumum唔係講培養Band 1生喇！（唔好意思，同您咁friend，希望您唔介意）我所謂的過程和成效都係指果堆簡體字裡的東西。

你女兒的學習成效，其實你的功勞多於學校。不如開名講喇，相信你和我都從來沒後 ...

只可以講句臻美黃乾享既教學理念系work既話....
而家應該系臻美接管福建組成一條龍....唔系變成福建附屬小學...

judy

原帖由 Tommy 於 09-10-4 08:10 發表
ChiChiPaPa,

多謝您的補充，我向eviepa提出的問題，其實就是要帶出您所講的道理。不過，我當時以為無需要在這高質素的「教育政策」論壇，為這些簡單的硬道理去解釋。你所講的，我相信沒有人會不同意，我自己都身體力行做了十年 ...

0002講的是教育制度。
ChiChiPaPa講的"實際的教學內容，以至教學素質"。是理想學校。
Eviepa講的是家教。

mattsmum

i am seriously considering it, but first need to sort out the chinese issue.

mattsmum

才一天，這麼多的回應，

問題，
1）英國的寄宿學校，沒有家庭教師，孩子如何學習？
2）no one teach your children to learn how to use facebook or iphone/ ipod, how did they learn？

noted the following which I agree fully:
school faces real challenges in
the future.

The challenges arise not fundamentally from structural changes , not even primarily from the need to adopt new approaches to learning, but rather from the deep shifts that are occurring in society itself, and from the changing structures of prospects for employment which require a need to remain alert to continual reskilling and
relearning.

Schools are called on to prepare their students for this changing world, with all the opportunities and threats that lie ahead.

Schools are not simply preparing students to do well in examinations and to learn lots of subject content material.

As the present century opened, the Hong Kong Education Commission declared in its consultation
document Review of Education System’s Reform Proposals:
‘Imparting knowledge is no longer the principal function of education. The role of education should be to enhance students’ quality and potential’.

I agree fully to this, but are schools ready? teachers ready?

eviepa

Tommy,

如果有家長覺得「思考能力、學習興趣、解決問題、創意的訓練」是選校最重要的條件，而不是出產大量band 1生的話，從前的臻美的確是一個很好的選擇。這個對mattsmum的回應應該說是半講笑半認真。

認真的一半是，mattsmum的家庭教育足已獨力培養中、英、數皆強的孩子，從前臻美可能是一個很好的選擇。

講笑的一半是，香港是個急功近利的地方，「思考能力、學習興趣、解決問題、創意」的成效是很難量度的，而且就算能夠量度，對日後讀書、做事的助力有多少肯定是量度不來的。但中、英、數則有分數、名次可以做成敗的標準。我覺得大概不會有多少家長會真正將這四項當學做選校的首要準則。

eviepa