讀國際學校怎樣上本地大學?

kathylo

我個女現讀k2(local kinder), 我想幫她報國際學校, 但我老公又擔心將來可以怎樣升本地大學, 我地又無打算送佢出外國讀書, 係唔係唔適合讀國際學校?

現在, 香港都用334學制, 係唔係在國際學校讀完grade 12就可以同本地學校的高中生一起考公開試和一起報讀大學?

panada88

其實讀國際學校一樣可以讀LOCAL U, 佢地除左可以考IB 之外重可以考IGCSE, 係專比國際學校學生考嘅GCSE, 呢個試會喺第11班考, 方便佢地報考LOCAL U & 美國U,
你個小朋友讀緊LOCAL 幼稚園K2, 同我個仔當年一樣, 我地同佢報蘇淅國際唔收, 後來我老公去搵校長傾左好耐, 可能係誠意打動, 校長終於同意比個位佢, 我唔知而家係咪比當年容易, 但如果唔係讀國際幼稚園再報讀國際小學佢地未必會考慮.

Saturn

I feel sorry if the 100 placements example I gave has misled readers.  It was just an abstract idea that I want to reflect how big the pool is for Jupas in camparing with Non-Jupas& Int’l students.  This idea was from my casual discussion with friends as parents some time ago and some of theseparents are employees of the higher education sector.

Except for the websites of local Us, we can also get usefulinfo. & stat. from the UGC (University Grant Committee) & Jupas.
http://www.ugc.edu.hk/eng/ugc/index.htm
http://www.jupas.edu.hk/jupas/jupasFront.htm

I tried to estimate the quotas for the 3 mentioned catergories above, as eg. in 2007, I could only work out the followings:
The FYFD (First year First Degree) places for 2007/08 were ~15200
http://www.ugc.edu.hk/eng/doc/ugc/stat/chart.pdf

Students got an offer through Jupas in 2007 EAS (EarlyAdmission Scheme) was 404
http://www.jupas.edu.hk/jupas/content_stat_eas.htm#2007

in the main entry was 11525
http://www.jupas.edu.hk/jupas/content_stat_mainround.htm

So, the remaining would be ~3271 places in 2007.

I couldn’t find info. how the ~3271 placeswere distributed exactly.

In the UGC website, I also learned that the quotas for int’lstudents was increased from 10% to 20% from 2007.
http://www.ugc.edu.hk/eng/ugc/faq/q601.htm

Though there are agreements & general policy set up forlocal Us to follow, every U has its own admission criteria & quotas andthese can be changed by the Us from time to time.


I still think that IS students’ major competitors would be studentsfrom DSS & private school who go for int’l exams like IGCSE or IB becauseit is more likely that many of these students would further their studies inHK.

原帖由 almom 於 09-6-11 16:19 發表


I thought that we have this JUPAS, which is a centralised university placement procedure for local school applicants. And anyone NOT qualified to apply for JUPAS (eg international school students an ...

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foolish.mom

I think most of the 25% of CityU is from IVE. IS students seldom go to CityU

原帖由 almom 於 09-6-12 15:47 發表


25% does not sound too bad.
But it is quite hard to predict how big the pool of applicant is. We are talking about competing with everyone around the world practically.
More, anyone has the statisti ...

almom

Non-jupas intakes can be as high as 25%. IB students do have priority in local Us.

25% does not sound too bad.
But it is quite hard to predict how big the pool of applicant is. We are talking about competing with everyone around the world practically.
More, anyone has the statistics for HKU and CU or even UST? I think CityU is still less sought after.

IB students do have priority in local Us.

Can you explain more?
I thought IB students are probably in fair grounds with other students taking non-local curriculum (eg IGCSE, or British A level, etc) . Further, I heard that they are looking for unreasonably high IB scores.
But, I understand that lecturers do love to have students from international schools though. However, what lecturers like and what admission policies they have are 2 issues. I would certainly like to hear more views and experience. Thanks.

oooray

原帖由 cmhui 於 09-6-11 22:53 發表


http://www.admo.cityu.edu.hk/content.cfm?category=faq&page=home&view=top&c=776&l=EN&p=1&q=1026

Non-jupas intakes can be as high as 25%. IB students do have priority in local Us.

good sharing!
that means my children may have chance to study local U even if i'm going to bankruptcy soon.

cmhui

原帖由 oooray 於 09-6-11 22:45 發表

agree. that's the style of local universities running.
It is contradictory that if someone has got exceptionally high IB scores, it is no point to stay here. He or she should be very welcomed by othe ...

http://www.admo.cityu.edu.hk/content.cfm?category=faq&page=home&view=top&c=776&l=EN&p=1&q=1026

Non-jupas intakes can be as high as 25%. IB students do have priority in local Us.

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oooray

原帖由 almom 於 09-6-11 20:50 發表


I understand.
My point it, we should not count all IS student in when considering the chance of getting a place at a local university.
For example, there are 300 IS students, and only, say 20 non-JU ...

agree. that's the style of local universities running.
It is contradictory that if someone has got exceptionally high IB scores, it is no point to stay here. He or she should be very welcomed by other famous U overseas.

almom

原帖由 oooray 於 09-6-11 18:17 發表

poor parents (like me) disliking local education and will use up all my $$$ in the near future may need to enjoy our right to be a Hong Kong citizen and let my children go to local university.

I understand.
My point it, we should not count all IS student in when considering the chance of getting a place at a local university.
For example, there are 300 IS students, and only, say 20 non-JUPAS places. It may sound like really hard since 300 people are fighting for 20 seats.
But if only 50 of these kids are determined to staying in Hong Kong, then the competition is 50 people for 20 seats.
The other 250 would probably go to other countries no matter what.
So it may not be as bad as it seem.

However, it is the admission criteria that I am more worried. I heard that local universities are asking for exceptionally high IB scores.

oooray

原帖由 almom 於 09-6-11 16:21 發表
I am wondering whether IS students are exactly keen on staying in Hong Kong for tertiary education. Because according to pass statistic, only very few IS students stayed in Hong Kong. I do not have th ...

poor parents (like me) disliking local education and will use up all my $$$ in the near future may need to enjoy our right to be a Hong Kong citizen and let my children go to local university.

almom

I am wondering whether IS students are exactly keen on staying in Hong Kong for tertiary education. Because according to pass statistic, only very few IS students stayed in Hong Kong. I do not have the actually number but I think probably around 10% of students would stay in Hong Kong. I have talked to a some of the current high school students. They said that they world rather settle with a second tier U in the US or the UK than taking offer from HKU. And I would not be surprised if some of the IS students might not even apply to any local university at all.

So when calculating the "chance" of getting into a local university, it is not exactly correct to presume all IS students are your competitors.

almom

原帖由 Saturn 於 09-6-11 14:53 發表
Let's say for example a U has a total no. of 100 placements.  85 would be for EAS & Jupas, 5 for non-Jupas & the remaining 10 for Overseas & mainland students.

I thought that we have this JUPAS, which is a centralised university placement procedure for local school applicants. And anyone NOT qualified to apply for JUPAS (eg international school students and overseas applicants) are non-JUPAS. So all IS students and overseas students are in fact in the same pool of applicants. Please correct me if I am wrong.
If what you said is right, can you explain how the procedures for the 5 non-JUPAS and 10 for overseas applicants are different?
Is there a place (ie a website) with more details?

bakusensei

原帖由 Saturn 於 09-6-11 14:53 發表
Let's say for example a U has a total no. of 100 placements.  85 would be for EAS & Jupas, 5 for non-Jupas & the remaining 10 for Overseas & mainland students.

The Us in HK are trying to attract more ...

Thank you very much for your claification. In other words, do u mean that overseas/mainland students will not be counted under the non-Jupas?

Would u mind sharing more information on this area?

Million thanks :)

Saturn

Let's say for example a U has a total no. of 100 placements.  85 would be for EAS & Jupas, 5 for non-Jupas & the remaining 10 for Overseas & mainland students.

The Us in HK are trying to attract more overseas & mainland students for some reasons.  1) They can charge them higher tuition fee than HK students = more income.  2) They can increase the "size" of the int'l community when "global citizen", "global vision", etc are highly advocated all over the world.  3) The quality of local students keeps deteriorating.  

*More to note.  Non-Jupas students also include local school students taking IGCSE & IB exams, etc.  I trust that the quota for Non-Jupas will also be increased in the future but will not be as much as int'l students.

原帖由 bakusensei 於 09-6-11 14:21 發表


I understand that local universities currently have three major admission ways: EAS, Jupas and non-Jupas. Do you mean that they will apply different selection criteria for local and overseas student ...

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bakusensei

原帖由 Saturn 於 09-6-11 14:05 發表
No.  Overseas students & IS students belong to different catergories.  Overseas students & mainland students are catergorized as non-HK residents.  The rate of tuition fee is charged different from HK ...

I understand that local universities currently have three major admission ways: EAS, Jupas and non-Jupas. Do you mean that they will apply different selection criteria for local and overseas students in the non-Jupas category?

I have this question becoz according to HKU website, it seems that they apply same selection criteria for HK students and UK students taking GCE AL. (http://www.hku.hk/admission/nonjupas-uer.htm#hongkong). Likewise, for students at International Schools taking examinations other than GCSE and GCE, the entrance requirements follow those of the country to which the qualification belongs.


Thank you in advanced for your clarification. :)

[ 本帖最後由 bakusensei 於 09-6-11 14:40 編輯 ]

Saturn

No.  Overseas students & IS students belong to different catergories.  Overseas students & mainland students are catergorized as non-HK residents.  The rate of tuition fee is charged different from HK residents & these students need to apply student visa in HK.

Non-Jupas students are those HK residents from IS, IVE, associate degree & some students who finished high school in overseas applying Univ. in HK, etc.  The rate of tuition fee is charged the same as Jupas applicants.   

From my understanding, what I refer to as HK residents are mainly those who were born in HK.  I didn't check if there are any specific criteria to classify HK residents like - Should the students be permanent HK residents (ie. living in HK for 7 years) if they were not born in HK?  

原帖由 kathylo 於 09-6-10 17:37 發表


For IS student, do they need to compete with overseas student, including the one coming from China and Taiwan? I know that the quota for "non-jupas" admission is much much fewer than "jupas" one.

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[ 本帖最後由 Saturn 於 09-6-11 14:08 編輯 ]

mow-mow

The reason for many overseas students applying back to Hong Kong U for medicine is more due to the fact that overseas graduates can no longer just waltz back to practise in Hong Kong.
They all have to take a licensing exam which has a notoriously low pass rate.
Moreover, even if you pass the licensing exam, training posts are hard to come by since most would go to local graduates.

原帖由 bakusensei 於 09-6-11 12:17 發表


for some professional subject, e.g. Medicine, owing to high school fee overseas (u know studying medicine in hk is rather "value-for-money" as u only need to pay the school fee same as those Art stu ...

bakusensei

原帖由 lwsac 於 09-6-11 00:12 發表



Just curious ! Why do you want to transfer your kid to IS if you plan to let her study in local U ?

for some professional subject, e.g. Medicine, owing to high school fee overseas (u know studying medicine in hk is rather "value-for-money" as u only need to pay the school fee same as those Art students), US only offer post-grad course for it,  etc, it is noted that there are quite a no. of non-Jupas students in recent yrs.

bakusensei

原帖由 kathylo 於 09-6-10 17:37 發表


For IS student, do they need to compete with overseas student, including the one coming from China and Taiwan? I know that the quota for "non-jupas" admission is much much fewer than "jupas" one.

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to your first question, yes.

lwsac

原帖由 kathylo 於 09-6-10 17:40 發表


I worry because she will be difficult to go back into local school if she already study in IS for a long time. The syllabus in IS is very different from local school especially Chinese Language.

Just curious ! Why do you want to transfer your kid to IS if you plan to let her study in local U ?