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發表於 09-3-30 16:22 |只看該作者 |正序瀏覽 |打印
Dear all,

Hi all, I saw some of the threads discussed here talking about the differences between international schools and typical local school (i.e. better English in IS, duck feed teaching approach in local schools etc).  I wish to draw a more 'apple to apple' comparison here - IS vs local direct subsidies schools, as they are closer in terms of school fee, and teaching approach (I suppose most directly subsidies schools nowadays no longer use the very 'duck feed' teaching approach and they also try to provide more resources and exposure to students).  How would you compare these two streams?  Ideally speaking, if your kid is accepted by all the above schools, which one would you choose?

The reason why I'm asking is, my son got accepted by a popular local kindergarten and he will be in K1 in Sept.  I am still considering which stream to put him to for primary.  Some people told me to try local first, coz if you are not happy with local, you can always switch to international, but definitely not vise versa.  How true is that?  I heard that ESF schools are also highly competitive.  How high a chance can one get into ESF primary if he studies in local kindy?  Can anyone shed some light?

Thanks so much!
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發表於 09-4-23 09:56 |只看該作者
原帖由 mattsmum 於 09-4-21 21:09 發表
copied from other website:
汉语水平考试(HSK)是专门为测量母语非汉语者外国人的汉语水平而设立的一种标准化考试,主要依据是《汉语水平等级标准和等级大纲》和《汉语水平词汇与汉字等级大纲》。
该大纲的词汇范围(等级) ...


million thanks for your valuable information. :)

I further check the internet with your clue  "《汉语水平等级标准和等级大纲》和《汉语水平词汇与汉字等级大纲》。" and found that:


(2)凡接受过400-2000学时现代汉语正规教育,掌握2000-5000汉语常用词(甲、乙、丙级常用词)和与之相应的语法项目(甲、乙、丙级语法项目)的汉语学习者,均适于参加HSK(初、中等)。
(3)凡掌握5000-8000汉语常用词(甲、乙、丙、丁级常用词)和与之相应的语法项目(甲、乙、丙、丁级语法项目),具有高等汉语水平的汉语学习者,均适于参加HSK(高
等)。
(http://www.51hsk.com/lingshi/index.html?id=)

As 6
具有中级(低)汉语能力,可以获取中等《汉语水平证书》 C 级。这是中国国家教育部规定的外国留学生入中国文、史、中医类院、系学习的最低汉语能力标准, in that case, I guess 5,000 words will be ~ the level for that basic entry requirement.



Would you mind advising the appro. no. of words learnt  for F.6 in local school?


Any advice on AP Chinese? How's the level?


Million million thanks in advanced!

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發表於 09-4-22 13:10 |只看該作者
[quote]原帖由 yyyy 於 09-4-22 09:26 發表
女女學校都有recommend他們考,我沒有報,請問值得考嗎?

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i really don't konw, I think all exams are bench mark, so HKCEE is one bench mark for HK employer if they want to know the standard of chinese of an applicant.

Talking about bi-lingual IB certificate, I came across a boy who finished HKCEE, so he has passed one bench mark. He then obtained his IB bi-lingual certificate in UK- english A1 and spanish - junior level. I think if my kind can achieve the same goal, that would be good enough.

chinese A1 really appears to be to much.

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發表於 09-4-22 09:26 |只看該作者
女女學校都有recommend他們考,我沒有報,請問值得考嗎?

原帖由 mattsmum 於 09-4-21 21:09 發表
copied from other website:
汉语水平考试(HSK)是专门为测量母语非汉语者外国人的汉语水平而设立的一种标准化考试,主要依据是《汉语水平等级标准和等级大纲》和《汉语水平词汇与汉字等级大纲》。
该大纲的词汇范围(等级) ...

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發表於 09-4-21 21:09 |只看該作者

回覆 # 的文章

copied from other website:
汉语水平考试(HSK)是专门为测量母语非汉语者外国人的汉语水平而设立的一种标准化考试,主要依据是《汉语水平等级标准和等级大纲》和《汉语水平词汇与汉字等级大纲》。
该大纲的词汇范围(等级)分为4级:甲级词(1033个)、乙级词(2018个)、丙级词(2202个)和丁级词(3569个),共8822个。
HSK汉字库系统是由HSK词汇生成的。甲、乙、丙、丁四级词(8822)中共含2864个字。
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国家语委和国家教委于1988年3月2日联合发布的《现代汉语常用字表》是中国大陆地区中小学汉语母语基础教育的依据。该字表分为一级常用字(2500字)和二级次常用字(1000字)两个部分。中国教育部颁布的《全日制义务教育语文课程标准(实验稿) 》 明确指出,九年课程的总目标是“认识3500个左右常用汉字”,年级分配如下:
第一学段(1~2年级):认识常用汉字1600~1800个,其中800~1000个会写。   
第二学段(3~4年级):累计认识常用汉字2500个,其中2000个左右会写。
第三学段(5~6年级):累计认识常用汉字3000个,其中2500个左右会写。  
第四学段(7~9年级):累计认识常用汉字3500个,其中3000个左右会写。

I think HK's standard is 2500 to 3000 words learned at P6.

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發表於 09-4-21 15:21 |只看該作者
原帖由 foolish.mom 於 09-4-9 23:34 發表
yyyy,

Some more points to share:

For my kid, the school told us that he should study Chinese as a 1st language. So no need to choose.

I know that Chinese A1 at IB diploma level is really very tough ...


Agree with you very much.  My kid's school (traditonal ESF) also prepare some students since year 7 to take both English and Chinese exams at native (1st) language level.  We don't need to choose or worry.  We just leave it to the school.  If they see problems in achieving the standards required, they will communicate with parents.

We only need to choose for the kid the study of a 3rd language like French, Spanish or Japanese etc.

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發表於 09-4-21 14:28 |只看該作者
女女學校中四考IGCSE,中六考IB,是否這兩種中文完全沒有關連?

原帖由 mattsmum 於 09-4-21 14:07 發表
IGCSE A level or O level chinese seems to be easier:
http://www.cie.org.uk/qualifications/academic/uppersec/alevel/subject?assdef_id=737

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發表於 09-4-21 14:26 |只看該作者
原帖由 mattsmum 於 09-4-21 14:07 發表
IGCSE A level or O level chinese seems to be easier:
http://www.cie.org.uk/qualifications/academic/uppersec/alevel/subject?assdef_id=737


Grateful for your advice if comparing with HSK (http://www.hsk.org.cn/). Is HSK a very easy test?

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發表於 09-4-21 14:07 |只看該作者

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IGCSE A level or O level chinese seems to be easier:
http://www.cie.org.uk/qualificat ... bject?assdef_id=737

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發表於 09-4-21 13:45 |只看該作者
Thanks a lot, Mattsmum!
Very useful site indeed!
Chinese B is probably still quite challenging for IS students.

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發表於 09-4-21 13:19 |只看該作者

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http://sites.cst.acs.sch.edu.sg/chinese/IB/IB.html
this site shows reading list for different level, but not level b. useful site.

I am not an expert, only learn a lot /ask a lot attending vic. seminar or search in the internet.

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發表於 09-4-21 13:13 |只看該作者
Hi Almom

Pls check PM again.  Thanks.

Saturn.

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發表於 09-4-21 10:23 |只看該作者
Thanks Mattsmum!

Do you think you can get hold of the Chinese B reading/study list too?

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發表於 09-4-20 21:06 |只看該作者

回覆 # 的文章

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/lurvejoyce/19325784

this is the link to a blog that was quoted before.

another one, from a parent whose kid is taking IB in china:
http://www.cedu.cn/bbs/dispbbs.a ... p;star=2&page=1

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發表於 09-4-20 18:31 |只看該作者
Thanks Mattsmum

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發表於 09-4-20 18:21 |只看該作者

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can't find that student's blog, but saw another interesting one at:

http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/misselleenli/article?mid=202

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發表於 09-4-20 14:08 |只看該作者
原帖由 Saturn 於 09-4-12 13:51 發表
Hi Almom,

Would you pls check pm?  Thanks.

Saturn.


I accidentally deleted a couple pm just now. Can you resend yours please? Thanks.

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發表於 09-4-20 11:37 |只看該作者
I heard IB chinese A1 is not easy, here is someone's blog, just put it here for our knowlege of how it is:


Would you mind providing us with a link to the blog?  Thanks.

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發表於 09-4-20 10:19 |只看該作者
多謝詳細的解釋。

我覺得這些課程很吸引,如果我女女有機會讀完這些中文系列,我相信我會以她為傲!感覺就好像讀local school的小朋友在小學階段便能讀完harry portter系列一樣,很值得高興!!!


原帖由 mattsmum 於 09-4-12 17:12 發表
a teacher told me that IB chinese curriculim will be changed in the coming year.

anyway I found this useful:http://www.51sat.com/other/ib/2184.html
     IB中文课程简介
        一、IB中文课程的分类
   ...

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發表於 09-4-12 17:12 |只看該作者

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a teacher told me that IB chinese curriculim will be changed in the coming year.

anyway I found this useful:http://www.51sat.com/other/ib/2184.html
     IB中文课程简介
        一、IB中文课程的分类
        Chinese A1 (Higher Level & Standard Level)
        Chinese A2 (Higher Level & Standard Level)
        Chinese B (Higher Level & Standard Level)
        Chinese AB (SL)
      

二、 课程概要
        
1.   Chinese A1课程(Group l)
        课程性质:属纯文学的母语课程。
        教学对象:主要对象是母语特强、中学曾修读中华文学课程的学生。
        课程的综合性:作品选读/写作/文学理论/文学史等四种文学课程的融合。
        阅读为基础:15本(HL)或11本(SL)作品,分成四个不同的部分,各适用不同的考核要求。
        考试:
        校外 - 写作为主导(70%):   
        (1) 世界文学作品论文(20%)
        (2) 诗歌或散文作品评论(25%)
        (3) 专题论文(EE)25% (至少4800字)
        校内 - 口试为辅(30%):作品评述(15%)
        作品片段评析录音口试(15%)
        评核标准:学生对作品的思考、鉴赏和分析的能力。

        2. Chinese A2课程(Group 2)  
        课程性质:为双语文凭者开设的课程。课程兼备文学和语言两类。
        
教学对象:主要对象是母语较好的学生。
         
课程的综合性:
(1)选读文学作品:六本(HL)、三本(SL)。                           
                                    
(2)A2和B课程的交叉之处:文化课题的选择部分,与B课程所包含的文化和语言现象研讨的课程性质,有相通的地方。
        考试:
        校外 - 写作(75%):   
        (1) (试卷一):两篇诗歌或散文作品的比较分析(25%)  
        (2) (试卷二):六选一的应题作文(25%)
        (3) 写作两篇,各占10%
        校内 -口试(30%):  
        (1) 选题研讨评述(15%)
        (2) 作品评析录音口试(15%)
       3.   Chinese B课程(Group 2):
       课程性质:以语文教学为主。非常强调研讨中文所涵盖和体现的中国文化现象及实用性华语的学习,因而形成一般的华语中级课程不同的课程性质和要求。
       教学对象:主要对象是有一般中学母语基础的学生。
       课程的综合性:(1) B课程和A2课程的交叉之处 :文化选题的研究部分性质相通。立足汉语,看世界、看社会、看中华民族,掌握语言,了解中国文化。
                                   
(2) Higher和Standard的区别:作文字数不同。
        
Higher课程 – 480字;Standard课程 – 300字。)
        教学要求:听、说、读、写并重。
        考试:
        校外 -写作,以阅读为基础(70%):  
        (1) (试卷一):四篇理解篇章,约57题( 40%)
        (2) (试卷二):不同文体的选题作文(30%)
        校内 -口试(30%):  
        (1) 录音口试(15%)
         时间分配和内容要求:
        (a) 自选话题(5分钟)–  
        (b) 讨论话题(5分钟)
        (c) 一般话题 (5分钟)
        (2) 对话(15%)
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