啟思，嶺南和蘇浙

yaya117

我家仔仔收到啟思，嶺南和蘇浙这三所小学的录取通知书，我想请教各位妈咪，有边位熟悉
这几所学校，边间好点滴，请话俾我知好不好啊！多谢啦！

David.S

Dear Cheefulmom,

Sorry for the late reply - I was just a bit busy lately !!  Thanks for sharing.  You are entitled to the way you wish your child to be brought up and I respect that.

I do not wish to make any comment about your views because that is no point - it is your rights and your expectations.

I wish you well in the way you would like to raise up your child.

Yours sincerely,

Terry Cheuk Sampson

原帖由 cheerfulmom 於 08-11-21 17:09 發表
Dear Sampson,

請問你知否何謂體育精神? 是參與, 是明知冠軍無望仍持續努力﹑樂觀面對的心態; 是勝固可喜﹑敗亦欣然; 在欣賞第一, 讚美第一的同時決不輕視或嘲笑失敗, 在參與中實現自己﹑昇華自己, 簡單的說, 就是不以勝 ...

LauE

24th November 2008

Dear Avis Lai,

When considering the school that you want your child to attend, I think the best thing to do is to arrange an interview with the Principal of the school, and interview her regarding the school’s teaching philosophy and emphasis.

Request to sit-in on a session of the class your child would be in, and assess it for yourself in terms of classroom and children behaviour management.
I am sure they will accommodate and arrange it for you.
That was how I went about selecting a suitable school for our sons – I got too confused just listening to others.

To me, the Chinese standard at Lingnan is very good, but perhaps that is because my own Chinese is not very good.
From Ms Lau’s letter, what is your assessment of the standard of her Chinese ?
Do you like the tone and style, attitude and feeling, sentence structure etc.etc ?
I wish I could write like that in Chinese !!

Lingnan Primary does have an English native speaking teacher who does the oral speaking side of activities.
There is also a Chinese teacher who teaches the rest of the English school curriculum.
She is great because she is caring and loving; I appreciate her because she does not accept my son producing shabby work when she knows he can do better.
The students cannot pull the wool over her eyes; she will not let them get away with things – and when appropriate, she will let you know about it too!!


Our sons do go to an English native tutor for Creative Writing Skills once a week, because I do find that the Australian School English level, understandably, is higher than that at Lingnan.

In regard to Secondary School Allocation Scheme, I am sorry for not paying much attention because we will be immigrating to Australia after our elder son finishes his Primary 6 in 2009.
I know it takes time and effort to find the right school for your child - but it will be worth it.


Enjoy the selection process, and hope you find the right school.

Yours sincerely,



Terry Cheuk Sampson (Mrs)

cheerfulmom

Dear Sampson,

請問你知否何謂體育精神? 是參與, 是明知冠軍無望仍持續努力﹑樂觀面對的心態; 是勝固可喜﹑敗亦欣然; 在欣賞第一, 讚美第一的同時決不輕視或嘲笑失敗, 在參與中實現自己﹑昇華自己, 簡單的說, 就是不以勝敗論英雄﹑尊重規則﹑尊重他人﹑尊重正當的競爭﹑尊重公平的結果。

"Lingnan does not force my children to become their tools through public competitions, in order to promote their school’s name" -- 比賽不是為了 promote "competitive spirit", 亦非純為學校攞分, 閣下如將之狹隘化為單純 "為名"﹑"為分", 恕我開罪, 太膚淺了, 什至扭曲和褻瀆了比賽的意義及精神。學校參與任何比賽, 其中一個目的, 是讓小朋友從比賽過程中體會勝不驕﹑敗不餒!學習堅毅﹑不屈﹑忍耐﹑尊重的精神。

"As a parent, would you put your child’s health at risk for the sake of “sportsmanship”?" -- 那要視乎病情去到哪一個地步, 小朋友有時遇到辛苦﹑艱難的事情時會退縮, 這時亦是一個好機會去train up他們, 我也常教我的小朋友, 生病不是藉口(當然是小病), 要成強者就要懂忍耐同堅持。我不想我的孩子成溫室中的小花。
當然, 身體抱病不是硬要出賽, 因病不出賽亦不代表沒有體育精神。可是以我看法, 若果賽事已接近尾聲, 而身體狀況仍可堅持的話, 我會選擇待賽事完畢才離場, 尊重大會, 尊重其他運動員。

"Would you prefer a famous school name or a group of devoted, loving and caring teachers who really care about your child’s conduct and personal development, as well as academic achievements?" -- 為何要用個 "or"呢?為何不可兩者並存?我相信現今大部份學校教師都係愛護﹑關懷學生, 此乃作為一個教育工作者的先決條件!而Personal Development---亦即係從生活上, 課本以外所學到, 接觸到的事物, 從而影響個人品格修養及發展, 正如我以上所講, 一些體育比賽看似普通, 什至被人誤以為藉以搏出名, 但想深一層, 比賽亦是訓練參賽者的拚搏精神, 在比賽背後的品格和追求常常超越了比賽本身!

Thanks very much for your sharing!

avislai

Dear Sampson,

As parents in Lingnan, can you share more about this school?  How do you feel about the learning and teaching atmosphere, academic standard of Chinese and English, and 升中派位情況?

I like this school but my husband and my relatives want to choose St. Louis or Raimondi primary school instead.  The later have their secondary school and are less expensive.  I need to convince my husband with more figures.  

原帖由 LauE 於 08-11-20 13:22 發表
Dear “cheerfulmom”,
May I share my views of our experiences of Lingnan Primary School with you please?

My two sons were not at the swimming gala, and so we will not comment on it.
The reason my t ...

LauE

Dear “cheerfulmom”,
May I share my views of our experiences of Lingnan Primary School with you please?

My two sons were not at the swimming gala, and so we will not comment on it.
The reason my two sons were not there is because as a parent, I wish my children to be brought up with a humble and mild spirit , rather than the “competitive” spirit that sports days promote.
It is the parent’s right to decide how they want their child to be brought up, and I am sure you have your value system and expect people to respect it.



I believe Ms. Lau has already explained what happened on the day of the swimming gala, and hope you now have a better understanding of the situation.

Our experiences with Lingnan since Kindergarten, are happy memories that I will never forget.
Raising children in a clean and quiet environment, with loving and caring teachers is something money cannot buy.
There has not been one day when either of my sons have said to me that they do not want to go to school.
In fact, at times when they were unwell, and not allowed to go to school, they still wanted to go to school, rather than staying at home in bed and resting.

The teachers at Lingnan do put all students’ health and safety as their first and foremost priority - before academic or extra-curricular achievements.
Lingnan does not force my children to become their tools through public competitions, in order to promote their school’s name.



As to which school you end up choosing for your child will be a personal decision.
Please consider with me a few scriptures in:-
1 Timothy 4: 8 “For bodily training is beneficial for a little; but godly devotion is beneficial for all things, as it holds promise of the life now and that which is to come.”
John 13: 14 and 15 “Therefore, if I, although Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash the feet of one another.
For I set the pattern for you, that just as I did to you, you should do also.”



As a parent, would you put your child’s health at risk for the sake of “sportsmanship”?
Would you prefer a famous school name or a group of devoted, loving and caring teachers who really care about your child’s conduct and personal development, as well as academic achievements?




Hope you can find a suitable school for your child.

Kind regards,
Students: David (P.6) and Mark (P.4) Sampson
Parents: Terry Cheuk and Garry Sampson

avislai

Actually, my relative is a teacher in an EMI secondary school.  Her school is a good school (a school with student getting 10A in HKCEE ).  She has kindly help me to look at the conduct and academic standard of students from some of the school I suggested to her.  Based on her comment, I draw a conclusion that Lingnan is good.  But the youngest students she has traced is now in F.3 already.  So I cannot say the conduct of the student now in P.1-P.6 but if the teachers remains the same, I think the quality can be kept.  

原帖由 kuririn 於 08-11-19 16:34 發表



Do they mean that if they do well in marketing, they can attract more kids to apply?
I don’t understand what kind of marketing strategies a school can use to promote herself.
Basically, the discip ...

kuririn

原帖由 avislai 於 08-11-13 21:27 發表
It sounds foolish to give up more popular primary schools and take Lingnan.  This is why I keep on struggling as my son has also got offers from St. Louis and RC.  Indeed I can find referees who have  ...

Do they mean that if they do well in marketing, they can attract more kids to apply?
I don’t understand what kind of marketing strategies a school can use to promote herself.
Basically, the discipline and academic result of the students are good enough as a benchmark of how good is the school.

If their philosophy is “Quality is more important than Quantity”.
That means their graduates are all good.
Is there any information to prove it?
I’ve heard that their kindergarten is good but don’t have any idea about their primary school.
I can’t find much information from their web site, even the secondary school place allocation result, but I’m interested to know.

mother904

原帖由 timtim852 於 08-11-14 17:57 發表
mother904,
thank you for your update.

For information, Creative's allocation results for the past few years were published at the link below.

http://www.creativeprisch.edu.hk/HTML/chi/cpshome_c.htm ...

實際的數字，我的朋友也不知道，因為他們只知道相熟的同學仔去了那裡，不可能全級逐一問清楚。有關英文水平，只能說我認識的啟思學生都不錯，學校也投放了很多資源在語文學科。

不過，如你所言，啟思的學費這麼貴，有能力送子女入學，都一定會為他們鋪好路，所以，學生的一般出路都不錯。正因為學費實在太貴，所以我把啟思視作back up。如果學費不是一個問題的話，我會很樂意把子女送入啟思。

avislai

Thank you for your sincere sharing.  
Same as you do, I really feel very uncomfortable to the unfair comments on Lingnan Primary School.  I have very good impression to this school and the graduates from this school.  I think it is very unfair, without knowing the real reason, and make such a cruel and absolute judgement to a good school.  Indeed I am considering to give up the places in some popular traditional primary schools and choose Lingnan for my two sons.  I am glad to hear your response and I appreciate you as a responsible teacher to explain the details to us.

原帖由 LauE 於 08-11-18 10:54 發表
很感激一位熱心的幼稚園家長告知，在「教育王國」「小一選校」中有一群愛子心切的家長在討論我校嶺南小學。高興的是有家長關注到我們的嶺南小學。但當我看到了一位cheerfulmom的家長對我校的描述後，我真的有點耿耿於懷， ...

LauE

很感激一位熱心的幼稚園家長告知，在「教育王國」「小一選校」中有一群愛子心切的家長在討論我校嶺南小學。高興的是有家長關注到我們的嶺南小學。但當我看到了一位cheerfulmom的家長對我校的描述後，我真的有點耿耿於懷，因為我令學校聲譽受損了。

事緣我校有四名學生參加了10月31日至11月4日一連五天由杭州巿下城區教育局舉辦之第七屆亞太國際口琴節比賽。當中有三名學生又於11月5日參加了港島東區小學游泳比賽。我在11月4日晚上逐一致電參與口琴及游泳比賽的學生家中了解孩子的情況。家長們愛校心切，亦十分有體育精神，並說孩子們已入睡，情況良好，可如期參賽。

比賽當天，我看見孩子們著實有點累，更有一位男生於完成了一項比賽後說感到暈眩，其餘項目不想參加了。孩子是不會裝病的，我立刻叫他休息一下再洗個熱水澡。他也是接力隊員之一，那當然接力比賽也參加不成。我校只報了一項接力比賽。雖然孩子於比賽後已有暖水沖身，不竟頭髮盡濕，而比賽的場地狹窄，座位不足。本校有16人參賽，大會只能提供11個座位，在場除了所有老師及家長沒有座位外，各校也有小朋友沒有座位休息。既然我校能參與的比賽已完成了，我怎可讓那些頭髮全濕，身體不適的孩子在那兒等待至大會結束呢？於是我安排大家早點回校，並通知了有關家長，孩子回到學校時，有的連上樓梯也感氣力不繼，隨後有一位男生更要立刻回家休息。11月6日是學校旅行日，那位男生並沒有出席。當天我實在憂心，後來知道了他並無大礙才鬆了一口氣。

今天我把事情道出，希望能令cheerfulmom明白我提早回校的決定。我任教多年，從不作遲到早退等事，今次令校譽有損，實在難辭其咎，望各位家長明白，也希望大家知道嶺南小學著實是一所很好的學校。


劉老師

(當天的負責老師)

timtim852

mother904,
thank you for your update.

For information, Creative's allocation results for the past few years were published at the link below.

http://www.creativeprisch.edu.hk/HTML/chi/cpshome_c.htm

It seems that the overall result is not too bad based on the school names. However, I don't understand why the school has not indicated the number of students allocated to each of the schools listed on the above webpage.   Did you friends know the numbers ?

As known, all subjects in Creative are taught in Chinese except English and Bible.  Have you known the English standard of their students?

If the English standard is good and the allocation result for P6 is acceptable, it could be a good candidate for backup purpose assumed that the fee is not a problem to the applicant.

原帖由 mother904 於 08-11-14 16:54 發表


我想這只是一個片面的現象。我有很多朋友的子女都在啟思，他們當中有些的表現的確一般，有些卻非常超卓，其中一個便在升中時考入了St. Paul Co-ed，也有很多入了RC中學部。水平如果真的不夠，又怎能被這些學校取錄呢？

但我的 ...

mother904

原帖由 timtim852 於 08-11-12 21:06 發表
I just know 啟思. The son of my friend is studying in there. I can't deny that it is good place for making fun. The kids  love to study in this school. However, the parents have to bear in mind that t ...

我想這只是一個片面的現象。我有很多朋友的子女都在啟思，他們當中有些的表現的確一般，有些卻非常超卓，其中一個便在升中時考入了St. Paul Co-ed，也有很多入了RC中學部。水平如果真的不夠，又怎能被這些學校取錄呢？

但我的朋友也有提過，由於學校不會給學生有任何壓力，造成某部分小朋友放學後就將學過的東西放諸腦後，家長也不大關心或者沒時間關心子女的學業進度，一日發現跟不上時已經太遲。這個情況在任何學校都有，並不是啟思獨有。

cheerfulmom

原帖由 avislai 於 08-11-13 21:27 發表
It sounds foolish to give up more popular primary schools and take Lingnan.  This is why I keep on struggling as my son has also got offers from St. Louis and RC.  Indeed I can find referees who have  ...

I think every school has its strength, some emphasize on academic, some on sports…
It depends on parents how to choose a suitable school for their child.
To me, I don’t care whether the school uses traditional / active approach as teaching method.
I am realistic, I just see the performance of the students and track records of the school; I care about which secondary schools their graduates go; how is the students’ behavior.
And it can’t be denied that graduates from “famous” primary schools have advantage to go to a good secondary school.
I think nowadays most schools can create a happy learning environment to child.
This is the basic requirement.

Before I attended the aforesaid swimming gala, I also think Lingnan is low profile, but now, I have reservation on it -- Give up some events which they deem will lose and choose to leave -- this kind of behaviour will indeed give a profound effect on students. Maybe the academic level of their students is high (I don’t know), however, the qualities of a person is equally important which can’t be simply learned from books.
It is influenced by family, classmates, teachers……..

If I give bad feeling to the parents whose children are studying in Lingnan, I apologise about that.
This is just my sharing.

avislai

It sounds foolish to give up more popular primary schools and take Lingnan.  This is why I keep on struggling as my son has also got offers from St. Louis and RC.  Indeed I can find referees who have successfully helped my colleagues's kids to go to SPCPC, TSL and SSCPS but I think 勉強冇幸福 as my son cannot get the place my himself during the interviews.  
My sons are studying in Lingnan kindergarten and it is a good school.  In the past I've put TSL as my first choice and put Lingnan as my last choice before I do any research.  I also worry about the class size in Lingnan. But I have learned the reason during their open day.  They said they cut one class to free more special rooms (e.g. computer room, music room, etc.) for the goodness of the student.  But they cut it at the wrong time and coincide with the decreasing birth rate in HK.  Therefore it gives people a bad impression by looking at the class size.  After the expansion of their campus, they can recruit one more class.  However, everyone will think they have problems so they could not have enough students. Dr. Chiu and Lingnan has the philosophy as 重質不重量 and they don't care too much about marketing.  So I think class size is not a problem to me any more and the quality of school and teachers are good.  
What I struggle is whether English and PTH is better or Chinese is better for the development of my son.  Lingnan's Chinese is surely good.  For subsidy school, it depends on luck (if you meet a good teacher).
Please correct me if I am wrong.

cheerfulmom

原帖由 yaya117 於 08-11-5 21:47 發表
我家仔仔收到啟思，嶺南和蘇浙这三所小学的录取通知书，我想请教各位妈咪，有边位熟悉
这几所学校，边间好点滴，请话俾我知好不好啊！多谢啦！ ...

I don’t know much about Creative and Kiangsu & Chekiang.
But I will definitely put Lingnan as the last choice.

I suggest you may try some “well-known” schools first.
If unluckily no famous school accepts your kid, you may try Lingnan (as last choice).
You may find out some information from the Primary School Profiles of the EDB website that the class size of Lingnan is so so small.
The approved / proposed no. of class of each level is 2, however, end up they only have 1 class for each level, even 10 / 12 students per class.
You may think what it reflects and I don’t think this is the problem of famous vs obscure.

Also, Lingnan secondary school is not a band 1 school.  Most of the band 1 secondary schools in Wanchai has its associated primary schools.  It also needs to be considered.

One thing I can for sure that this school has no sportsmanship.
I attended an inter-school swimming gala last week.
Lingnan had joined some events in the competition.
However, the whole team left in the middle of the competition and finally they absent from some individual and all relay events.
Other school teams would try their best to get a better result even though they had no confidence to win.
It gave me a bad feeling!

minmin

avislai,

我只係問吓yaya117其他學校既問題咋!!!

timtim852

I just know 啟思. The son of my friend is studying in there. I can't deny that it is good place for making fun. The kids  love to study in this school. However, the parents have to bear in mind that the academic standard is lower in comparison with other traditional school or even international school. Also, the MOI is in Chinese. It is not easy  for 啟思 kids to seek for another school . Even they can find a new school, they need to spend much to catch up the academic standard.

原帖由 Chole 於 08-11-12 20:40 發表
Hi Avislai,

Thanks for your reply!  Good to hear that their students have good conduct!

I understand that Lingnan's students are not that many (12-18 in one grade!)  and therefore in fact their tuit ...

Chole

Hi Avislai,

Thanks for your reply!  Good to hear that their students have good conduct!

I understand that Lingnan's students are not that many (12-18 in one grade!)  and therefore in fact their tuition can hardly cover the teachers' salary!

True, it is HK3,400.- per month, but I think we can save the money in oral English or Putonghua class (they have native teachers) as well as painting (art teacher / art work is good!)  I've heard that Dr Luk is committed to run this primary school and probably the kindergarten is funding its operations.

15/16.......  I've got one more year to make up my mind.  

Chole

avislai

I think "famous" may not be good, or at least good to my kids.  The Lingnan graduates in my relatives secondary school are polite and have good conduct.  The youngest 2 she has traced are in F.3.  Both were commended for Conscientious Work in F.1.  The Chinese standard of Lingnan is very good, so as visual arts.  They use Chinese as the medium of instruction.  So the English standard might not be comparable to English Primary School such as SSCPC or TSL.  If you buy the Philosophy of 陸 趙 鈞 鴻, Lingnan is a good choice (but expensive!).  Students are happy and enjoy learning and they are in general self-motivated to learn, even in secondary school when parents can hardly do anything to push the kids when they are "old" enough.  
To me, money is the biggest concern as I have 2 boys.  My boy is very good at Maths but poor in oral expression.  So I think putting him in private English Primary School (that has already accept him ) might not be the best choice to him.