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發表於 08-6-18 14:12 |只看該作者 |正序瀏覽 |打印
唔知大家覺唔覺得讀國際學校的小朋友計算(calculation)能力明顯比 Local School較低?

我太太家姐個仔,而家讀緊一間國際小學的 grade 2,早幾個月,先學緊 bonding (即是類似合十: 1 -9、2 - 8、 3 - 7 、4 - 6 、 5 - 5)。

請這版家長給點意見。Thank you!
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But is it really that important to be able to do calculations really really quickly?  Let's ask ourselves, how many of us can do calculation faster than a calculator?  In fact, how many of us nowadays still do calculations by hand without using a calculator?  Not only that most of us can't beat it, we probably won't be able to survive without one.  Instead of spending a long time doing the calculation mechanically, time would better be spent on reading etc. because there isn't yet any machine that will help you do better or faster in these other areas.


I agree and disagree.
There are some basic skills that we need to know. Not that we would still need to use when we are older. Like manually checking up the meaning of a word with a dictionary, instead of going on the internet or using electronic dictionary.
Taking science as another example. I still remember learning titration at junior high. Dropping the chemical drop by drop and wait for the colour of the solution to change. But in a modern lab, they all use digital titrators now. However, I am sure even now, junior highs would still ask students to use those old fashioned titrators. Students simply need to know the basics first before moving on to using technology to help them.
And that is why, we would not give a calculator to a 8 year old, but instead still insist that he learn his multiplication table.
Speed in calculation is quite practical in daily life. Knowing what 9 x 8 is in a click is still faster than punching 9, x, 8, = into a calculator. That is why many international schools still let students do drilling of multiplications.
But of course, if you are talking about calculating what 2637 X 872 is, we would still need to use a calculator.
My comments on "speed", was for much more simple calculation within the 12x12 (or at most 13x13) range. This is the "range" of multiplications that most international school kids would need to memorise.

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發表於 08-7-6 12:02 |只看該作者
"國際學校學生計算能力普遍偏低" -
Sorry, I don't agree.

My son studied in SIS, the Singaporean Mathematic level is very high.
At Primary 1, I didn't prepare anything for the first test. However, the mark was low. Because the test is about algebra in P.1. e.g. @ + 3 = 8, @=?

At P.3, they do solving problem with complicated algebra, which is the F1 level at local school.

At SIS Int'l, they aim on analytical power and problem solving power.
At Local school, they aim at speed and quanitity, not quality.

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原文章由 xenonlit 於 08-6-18 15:24 發表
"國際學校學生計算能力普遍偏低"我覺得係冇問題,只係要求進度不同。國際學校學生最重要是concept.其實係外國(英、美等)讀小學的小朋友比起同年的香港小朋友的計算能都是偏低,但長大後所誕生的數學家、工程師一啲都唔差 ...


Second this.  Local kids "seem" to be good at arithmatics before grade 3 because they are trained at doing the drills.  They may not understand the concept well.  IS generally tries to lay a strong foundation of concept.

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Thank you for all of your opinions.

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原文章由 thankful 於 08-6-21 00:56 發表
But is it really that important to be able to do calculations really really quickly?  Let's ask ourselves, how many of us can do calculation faster than a calculator?  In fact, how many of us nowadays ...




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發表於 08-6-20 14:16 |只看該作者
我不清楚Hong Kong IS啲學生, but 我在外國讀high school時, D鬼仔啲數差到嘔.  偶有一兩個例外.  所从我都認為練習好重要. 熟能生巧嘛.


Math comprises (1) simple calculations and (2) analytical math or applications.

If we are to compare calculations, I would agree that international school students would most probably be slower than a normal local school kid, especially in primary level. My friend's daughter was able to recite the Chinese multiplication table at the age of 5, from 2 x 1 all the way to 9 x 9, although at that time she hardly understood what multiplication was. She was made by the teacher in kindergarten to chant everyday and she was able to tell us that 5 x 8 equals 40 very quickly. Most international schools would not start teaching multiplication until P3 (= local school p2) and this can take until P4 to learn all 12 multiplication patterns. Yes, international schools are slow in this respect.

However, slower does not mean weaker. And I would not be as sure if local school students are that strong if we are to compare the analytical skills or application skills. Math is never simple calculation. As we move on, more analytical skills are needed and at one point, few or even no numerics are involve in certain branches of math.

I do not want to compare high school math in Hong Kong with that in Canada/US, since I myself have left Hong Kong a long time ago and know very little of Hong Kong high school math. However, I did have a high school classmate in Canada that came to our school from Hong Kong. I would say that Hong Kong students do indeed have useful tricks to help memorizing things and doing math fast. I was lucky to have this girl in my class and she taught me lots of math tricks. However, this "advantage" or "skill" seldom help as much with math that involve more analytical skills and problem solving that involve reading, understanding and writing. Language skills and analytical skills become more and more important as we move up.

I think some people simply do not have very strong mathematical mind and find it hard to handle math. I was one of those who did not do really well in math in Hong Kong. I am a person that need to know the why of everything and the math classes in Hong Kong did not provide me with enough reasonings. I was able to memorize things I needed to and do math fast but I did not like it and considered math boring. However, when we moved to Canada, I had the best teachers I could possibly have. The teachers were able to and willing to provide me with the "answers" I needed and math to me was then started to be fun.

I think it is quite impractical to ask anyone to give a definite answer as to which kind of math education is better. For those who want it a fast and "efficient" way, go for local school math. I know that a lot of junior primary students are really really fast in calculations.

For those who would want to do it slower, want his child to have solid and strong foundation in very simple arithmetics  (ie basics of addition, subtraction, multiplication, division) then you might want to check out whether any international school might fit in your other needs. I personally like it thisway. But you have to be prepared that while other children of the same age in local school are doing 3 digit multiplications, you child may still be working on his owe simple multiplication table. If you do not like it this way, you'd better find alternatives to international schools.

Last, I must add that there must be other reasons why a parent choose a school. No one would choose a school just because of math. But this is not our main discussions here.

Usual disclaimer. I am only saying that I personally like international schools more. Not saying local schools are in any way not as good, in case anyone want to ask, again......

[ 本文章最後由 almom 於 08-6-20 14:19 編輯 ]

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發表於 08-6-20 14:14 |只看該作者
小女四嵗半,目前在sis讀書,剛剛接觸Enopi一個半月,我個人覺得不錯。

但還想聼聼其他家長對Enopi的看法,請分享。

謝謝。

原文章由 daydream 於 08-6-20 12:25 發表
**見過不少讀本地大學的國際學生, 數學好的真是不多, 班上最差的往往是從國際學校來的.**

The real cause of such phenomenon is just because local students have studied one more year of Maths (i.e. Form 7)  ...

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發表於 08-6-20 13:24 |只看該作者
原文章由 yanfaidaddy 於 08-6-20 00:30 發表



http://forum.baby-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=1400998&page=1#pid23061001

http://forum.baby-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=1439858&page=1#pid23187847

ssaa

閣下到處留文章, 表面上與人分享分析,  ...


討論區的可愛之處在於每人都可以在其中各抒己見。
雖然每個人的睇法不同,但當每個人都“心平氣和”討論,其實都會在其中得益,因為“真理係越辯越明”,越明就越清楚
,越清楚選擇就越正確!


致於本人點解期望每位家長都要宏觀理解:
1.
自己小朋友的需要
2.  
坊間課程的教學內容


原因是本人之前初作父母,經歷過幫自己的小朋友亂報課程,以致:
1.  
浪費自己金錢(慘)
2.  
浪費小朋友時間(好慘)
3.  
小朋友對學習失去興趣甚致抗拒學習(最慘)


本人期望每位家長唔好學似我舊時咁亂報課程,盡量宏觀了解,做個有見地的家長,在學習上真正幫助到自己小朋友!


希望大家都努力,齊齊做個稱職、有見識的父母!


過往資料,如有錯漏,祈為指正!
謝謝!


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我不清楚Hong Kong IS啲學生, but 我在外國讀high school時, D鬼仔啲數差到嘔.  偶有一兩個例外.  所从我都認為練習好重要. 熟能生巧嘛.

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原文章由 502 於 08-6-19 14:49 發表
I guess it is not a proper mean to make use of  other's question to promote / advertise a particular Maths course!



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原文章由 ssaa 於 08-6-19 14:36 發表
國際學校同本地學校教學內容肯定有很大分別:
國際學校教學重點在於掌握概念,建立解難能力。
本地學校教學重點在於初小先建立計算能力,高小就轉移建立概念及解難能力。

所以有些家長就發覺讀國際學校小朋友計算能力 ...



http://forum.baby-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=1400998&page=1#pid23061001

http://forum.baby-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=1439858&page=1#pid23187847


ssaa

閣下到處留文章, 表面上與人分享分析, 其實在hard sell, 抹煞其他課程的成效和導師的專業, 閣下是否真的對各項課程有深入的認識....

每項課程均有其理念, 作用, 優與缺, 請勿暗批明踩, 自吹自擂, 請自重!!!!

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發表於 08-6-19 21:01 |只看該作者

回覆 #11 ssaa 及 #13 阿胡 的文章

Thank you for your sharing!

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國際學校學生計算能普遍偏低。有乜辦法?

實話說, 真是有點頭痛!

大兒子最令我頭痛的就是他的數學. 不錯, 國際學校確實是更注重理解. 但運算不熟練, 甚至常常出錯, 理解便成了一句空話.

如果孩子普普通通, 那就更成問題. 理解不了, 運算出錯, 讓人懷疑是不是腦子有問題.

幾位朋友的孩子, 極聰明, 但由於平時用在數學上的時間太少, 數學同同齡讀local學校的好學生比, 都有明顯差距. 見過不少讀本地大學的國際學生, 數學好的真是不多, 班上最差的往往是從國際學校來的.

至於"長大後所誕生的數學家、工程師一啲都唔差呀", 又確是事實. 這些學生可能在學校之外, 自己花了不少時間.

我一方面相信"天才不是學校教出來的", 另一方面我又相信, 增加多一點數學練習, 對孩子的數學, 真有很大幫助. 但過量的練習, 很可能會扼殺孩子的數學興趣.

數學真是要不要那麼好? 如以孩子將來進哪間大學,或畢業後的成就為標準來看, 數學真是做到SAT 750+以上就夠啦. 但對很多父母來講, 數學SAT 750真是遠不夠好. Local的好學生可以輕輕鬆鬆得到800. 但事實是, 好多750的學生進了長青藤.

可能的話, 我覺得還是讓孩子有時間做多少少數學. 香港的local中學數學教育不差. 哈佛就有兩位數學家是香港人呢!

[ 本文章最後由 阿胡 於 08-6-19 22:02 編輯 ]

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發表於 08-6-19 14:49 |只看該作者
I guess it is not a proper mean to make use of  other's question to promote / advertise a particular Maths course!


原文章由 ssaa 於 08-6-19 14:36 發表
國際學校同本地學校教學內容肯定有很大分別:
國際學校教學重點在於掌握概念,建立解難能力。
本地學校教學重點在於初小先建立計算能力,高小就轉移建立概念及解難能力。

所以有些家長就發覺讀國際學校小朋友計算能力 ...
:-D :-D :-D :-D

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477
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發表於 08-6-19 14:36 |只看該作者
國際學校同本地學校教學內容肯定有很大分別:
國際學校教學重點在於掌握概念,建立解難能力。
本地學校教學重點在於初小先建立計算能力,高小就轉移建立概念及解難能力。

所以有些家長就發覺讀國際學校小朋友計算能力不及本地學生。
當然有些家長覺得這樣沒有問題;但有些家長就接受不了。

這些接受唔到自己小朋友計算能力偏底的的家長,唯有在坊間尋找課程,希望作出一些補救。

以下是坊間一些課程及其內容:

公文數:主要是利用大量習作訓練計算(Caculation) 。
            嚴格講不是課程,是習作。

學林數:主要教授中文文字體(解難題) 。

珠心算:主要用影像算盤學習學前簡單計算,
          並不能計算小學生全面數學。
          學返而容易混亂正常計算。

enopi: 英文數學。家長要考慮是否吻合
           自己小朋友校內課程。
            (因英、美、星加坡學制不一樣)

奧數:  奧林匹克精神,精益求精。
           真正奧數,超越文字體。
           五年級以上,有數學天份者可報讀。
           (五六年級報讀要小心,用太多時間學
           奧數而影響呈分試就得不償失。)

KWIK Maths:教導學生用方法計算(calculation)。
                     因為用方法計算的原故,
                    計算能力比一般學生三、四陪。


希望幫到大家!

大家努力、齊齊做個成功父母!

如有錯漏、祈為指正!
謝謝!

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發表於 08-6-19 10:29 |只看該作者
Thank you for all of your opinions!
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