真道,播道 or 優才?

yoyo123

真道,播道 or 優才? which one is better?

dabbycheung

原文章由 AnnieMack 於 07-9-28 20:39 硐表


話明公開討論平台嘛! 佢地都無做錯, 由頭到尾公平又平靜咁討論, 又無唔尊重人, 好似係有隻狗係度 bark, 有乜唔清楚要攞証據, 有乜唔啱先?

係咪你老婆嫁你時, d三姑六婆俾氣你受呀!

定係你老婆最近同你離婚, 咁你 ...

AnnieMack,

本來我唔打算再回應呢個topic, 但見到你既留言，忍唔住要向你講一聲“多謝！”

另外，我相信Alanhoky絕對係一個好人，希望你唔好誤會佢喇！

AFSL2007

Thanks for your comment and sharing.  If they have already scared me, I would not write any message anymore.   In this open forum, I would bear in mind that respect is also important.  Therefore, I would be more careful about my wording to avoid any misunderstanding (or sometimes it becomes "long air").

原文章由 Alanhoky 於 07-9-27 11:45 硐表
你咁易比人干擾　搞到吾敢發言?　其實自已覺得OK　就吾駛理人地　況且人地都係在第二版作佢地D小圈子評論　我地係度自吹自擂
河水不犯井水
各取所需
咪几好?

我擇善固執　但都會開放地考慮人家D意見　

其實作文 ...

[ 本文章最後由 AFSL2007 於 07-9-27 16:50 編輯 ]

Alanhoky

你咁易比人干擾　搞到吾敢發言?　其實自已覺得OK　就吾駛理人地　況且人地都係在第二版作佢地D小圈子評論　我地係度自吹自擂
河水不犯井水
各取所需
咪几好?

我擇善固執　但都會開放地考慮人家D意見　

其實作文字討論　因為分不清言論是'感覺'　還是'見解'　便很容易有誤會　好像今次事件　人家隨便說說'感覺'　我們便說不公平　要人家LOR証据
擺事實　這裡不是法庭　這樣做人家看起來似撩交嗌

好似老婆問我 :　老公!我懷疑(感覺)你有外遇!

我如果大義凜然咁答:
老婆
你呢個係一個嚴重指控
要有真憑實据
如果吾係GUM對我好吾公平!

咁老婆肯定更加懷疑
同我離婚都似!

我會咁答:
老婆你點解會有咁GE諗法?
係咪我平時有乜做得吾好
令你有咁GE想法?

咁咪會有一個和諧GE討論平台囉!

講番呢個topic
我揀學校係睇佢地綜合力量GE表現
(各人又會有各人GE focus)
仲要睇下佢地D教育理念我可吾可以配合
我諗左五年
覺得優才綜合力量表現最好
(其實硬件係佢輸晒
但我吾係買樓
個泳池同個club house吾係我GE focus)
最重要係覺得自已可配合到佢GE教育理念
(我根本吾明播道同真道D教育理念
好似太偉大啦
我覺得我做吾到)
故此我揀優才!

憑感覺GA咋!
無經過科學GE驗詛架!
吾好問我要証据!

其實當日你要同你老公結婚
都有姨媽姑姐用D科學方法同你分析話邊樣邊樣吾好
係你自己要對住佢成世
所以最重要都係你自己GE感覺
揀學校都一樣
我要同佢糾纏十二年
都係信自己感覺好D
揀定左就比出信心同諒解
未來十二年好好地為子女付出為人父母最大GE愛心同力量

努力呀
有排你捱呀

Pure sharing, no offence!!

原文章由 AFSL2007 於 07-9-25 19:22 硐表
Thanks for your clarification.  I may be too nervous and had overreacted as there is a little bit too much noise for GT's parents during these recent days.

AFSL

chunhei

原文章由 AFSL2007 於 07-9-26 21:01 硐表
Chunhei,

Thanks for your sharing.

The negative feedback on GT's parents are arisen recently.  I could only say that different people have different view.

The class teacher has reminded us that disc ...

I think the school strategy was shifted a little bit since 2 years ago. I remember when my son was in P1 (around 3 years ago) .  The school not spent enough effort to address discipline issue. I heard other P1 class's parent complaint their class got big trouble. The teacher spent too much time and effort just to control the class situation rather than teaching. In my son's class, I saw 3 to 4 people get injured (leg, arm broken). All were accidents as far as I know. Teacher said the number of students get hurt in one class have broken the whole school record.  I think the school aware the issue with a lot of parents complaint. Since 2 years ago, the school put much more effort on discipline control.  I would say that is good move. Obviously, it is much more improve now.

[ 本文章最後由 chunhei 於 07-9-27 01:21 編輯 ]

chunhei

原文章由 phchan 於 07-9-26 18:19 硐表
Hi Chunhei,

多謝你的分享，讓我們了解多些，而你所指的情況與壓力，是否毎一間學校都會有，分別只是出現在一開始(小一)，還是高年級才開始出現。雖然說學習不是求分數，但最終都是看分數，即使愉快學習，也要有要求。

...

You probably right. It should not be particular for this school. Honest speaking, I would say the pressure would be much less than other tranditional school.  At least, the homework volume is still much less than other from my obervation. Also, the school never asked for 補習 . The english teacher said my son's result is good but I found it still below average. She just said it is too many bright students in the school.  She just keep saying dont worry. But I never able to do it.

When I got a chance talking to my son's classmate, I do find quite a lot of them have 補習 among different subjects.

I don't belieive 補習 was necessary before when I joined this school but it seems I need to adjust a little bit.  Also, since P3 and P4 now, all english subjects are taught by native english teacher. Obviosuly, the only language would be english and no translator would be provided. In first few months, it would be tough for my kid to catch up.  At home, now only english channels would be allow in order to make sure my son get up to speed.

As parent, I just dont want my son behind the average benchmark a lot.  I should not blame the school. It is nothing wrong from the school.  They never make any noise about the result.  Also, the issue may happen in G4 level.  I have no idea for other levels.

[ 本文章最後由 chunhei 於 07-9-27 01:23 編輯 ]

AFSL2007

Chunhei,

Thanks for your sharing.

The negative feedback on GT's parents are arisen recently.  I could only say that different people have different view.

The class teacher has reminded us that discipline is very important and it should be focused when the students are at G1.  I hope GT can still maintain a balance between Discipline and Happy learning.   To me, Happy learning without any achievement could not be valued as good education.  Same as discipline, balancing is essential.  Though difficult, really hope GT can achieve it.

原文章由 chunhei 於 07-9-26 14:55 硐表


I didn't aware so many negative feedback here about GT's parent. But I would like to let you know that it would be more pressure you would feel when you kids growth up in the school.

In term of sc ...

phchan

Hi Chunhei,

多謝你的分享，讓我們了解多些，而你所指的情況與壓力，是否毎一間學校都會有，分別只是出現在一開始(小一)，還是高年級才開始出現。雖然說學習不是求分數，但最終都是看分數，即使愉快學習，也要有要求。

原文章由 chunhei 於 07-9-26 14:55 硐表


I didn't aware so many negative feedback here about GT's parent. But I would like to let you know that it would be more pressure you would feel when you kids growth up in the school.

In term of sc ...

chunhei

原文章由 AFSL2007 於 07-9-25 19:22 硐表
Thanks for your clarification.  I may be too nervous and had overreacted as there is a little bit too much noise for GT's parents during these recent days.

AFSL

I didn't aware so many negative feedback here about GT's parent. But I would like to let you know that it would be more pressure you would feel when you kids growth up in the school.

In term of school work, it would be much less than traditional school and the kid would have more freedom when they are in junior class. The teachers are nice. That is reason I think the kids feel happy.

But it will become more tough in senior class. The school would be more concern discipine when the kids growth up. You kid need to adjust the new culture.

Since last year, the school indicated the average mark with the school result. Personally, I agree this approach that you know your kid's position. You get 90 doesn't mean it is good. Unfortuntely, it will give pressure to parent to make the their kids up to speed if they below the standard obviously.  The standard is quite high. I understand number of my son's classmate have 補習 . They just don't want to behind too much. The life is never easy.

[ 本文章最後由 chunhei 於 07-9-26 15:04 編輯 ]

AFSL2007

Thanks for your clarification.  I may be too nervous and had overreacted as there is a little bit too much noise for GT's parents during these recent days.

AFSL

原文章由 Alanhoky 於 07-9-25 17:38 硐表
Yes, you have taken my 'words' in a wrong approach.  GT parents are superior, while other school's parent are also superior or even more superior

This is the same that we always take our kids ...

Alanhoky

Yes, you have taken my 'words' in a wrong approach.  GT parents are superior, while other school's parent are also superior or even more superior

This is the same that we always take our kids as 'gifted'

Anyway, the discussion in only among ourselves, thus take it easy.  

原文章由 AFSL2007 於 07-9-25 15:11 硐表
Sorry if I overreact your message as it made me feel uncomforatble when I saw "GT's parents are superior".

I agree that GT's parents are very helpful and nice.  They love their children and support t ...

AFSL2007

Sorry if I overreact your message as it made me feel uncomfortable when I saw "GT's parents are superior".

I agree that GT's parents are very helpful and nice.  They love their children and support the school.  But, how can this be compared and said that GT's parents are superior?  Every parent like the school selected by themselves and this is the reason that they send their beloved children into that school.  Many parents, not only GT's parents, have spent a lot effort to bring up their children, including selecting the most suitable school for them.  Though I value GT to be a good school and is good to my son (so my son is G1 of GT this year),  I also believe that it may not be suitable or good to some children due to their characters and talents.  There are still a lot of good schools.

Sorry again if I misinterpret the meaning of your message.

AFSL

原文章由 Alanhoky 於 07-9-25 10:00 硐表
Hi Chunhei

Thanks. It's much pleasure having a senior class's GT parent here to share with us.

You have got the 'facts', you have got the 'feelings'.  Your sharing is most 'precious',  in the sens ...

[ 本文章最後由 AFSL2007 於 07-9-25 19:24 編輯 ]

Alanhoky

Hi Chunhei

Thanks. It's much pleasure having a senior class's GT parent here to share with us.

You have got the 'facts', you have got the 'feelings'.  Your sharing is most 'precious',  in the sense that you have no 'inclination' or 'bias'.   My daughter will go to GT 2008.  I'm happy that one more experienced parent assures us the 'happy learing' approach, which I treasure most.  

Your comments on their IGCSE attempts can also shed lights on our future discuss/observance, though my attitude is somewhat different from you; but my feeling is the same that the school cannot 'pressurize' we 'parents' or our 'kids'.  That's the reason I have no 'thinking' of attempting some traditional famous/well known schools.  

Anyway, we support the school, we love our children; continuous support to the school can provide our kids a healthy envornoment for their development.  However, we have also to 'watch' if the school is deviating from its 'basic philosophy'.  Any 'deviation' may not result possible 'impacts', which really depends on their treatment, and the reaction of our kids.  

Let's contiune working througn to support the school and our kids.  Once again, thanks for your sharing.  It once again prove that the quality of  'GT parents' is superior!!!!

原文章由 chunhei 於 07-9-24 22:27 硐表



I agreed with you completely. The school focus on happy learning in the first few years in junior class. Most students love to go to school. That is true and I confirmed.

For F2 students attendin ...

chunhei

原文章由 中天英 於 07-9-24 02:13 硐表

冇錯, 愉快學習同成績, 的確係好難共存既。

優才創校之初, 目標很明確, 喜悦同卓越 ( Joy & Excellence )共存ｏ 响呢兩個目標里, 係以喜悦行先既; 即係話, 要先有喜悦, 讓學生開開心心返學, 然後再追求卓越, 拎倒好 ...

I agreed with you completely. The school focus on happy learning in the first few years in junior class. Most students love to go to school. That is true and I confirmed.

For F2 students attending IGCSE exam, that I am not quite sure I can agree the approach.  Anyway, it may be business decision.  The school has no public exam record, it is hard to judge the school standard from public. That is challenge to attract good quality student.  Therefore, they sent the highest class students to attend the public exam to demonstrate the achievement.

I do not challenge the achievement of the students. It is fact that are many talents in the school.  How do get talents to get good public exam are different story. But I just don't feel comfortable for junior secondary students to attend the public exam. It sounds too much.  F2 should be fun year to let the kid enjoy school life rather than spending time on public exam studying.  It is long way to go for the kid. F2 to real public exam are another 4 to 5 years.  It will be tough.   

As GT primary school parent, we do feel the pressure.

[ 本文章最後由 chunhei 於 07-9-24 22:34 編輯 ]

chunhei

原文章由 中天英 於 07-9-24 02:17 硐表

chunhei,

You seems to know a lot about GTS.  Do myou have kid attending the school?

My son studys P4 in the school.  The new term just started again.

[ 本文章最後由 chunhei 於 07-9-24 22:06 編輯 ]

中天英

原文章由 chunhei 於 07-9-24 00:58 硐表
I think the case happened in P3 last year.  I understand one of the classes got large number of hyperative students.  Inexperience teacher would have problem to manage such case that caused major dama ...

chunhei,

You seems to know a lot about GTS.  Do myou have kid attending the school?

中天英

原文章由 chunhei 於 07-9-24 01:11 硐表


I think it would be challenge to balance between 2) 愉快學習 and 3) 成績. In my mind, if the school is looking for the result. It would be difficult to keep happy learning.  It would be very difficu ...

冇錯, 愉快學習同成績, 的確係好難共存既。

優才創校之初, 目標很明確, 喜悦同卓越 ( Joy & Excellence )共存ｏ 响呢兩個目標里, 係以喜悦行先既; 即係話, 要先有喜悦, 讓學生開開心心返學, 然後再追求卓越, 拎倒好成績、

10年之後, 而家情況係點？

1) 喜悦 - 肯定超標完成, 大部份學生都好鐘意返學, 同老師关係又好, 仲好主動去學習 - 有好多學生同家長可以做証明。

2) 卓越 - 優才而家開到F3, 仲未有學生完成優才既中學課程, 冇公開試成績, 比較難知道學生績係點。

但係有幾個例子, 令我相信優才學生, 成績會好,

- 有F2學生, 去考IGCSE, 中五程度生物試, 考倒Ａ
- 50幾個F2學生, 去考IGCSE, 中五程度英文試, 大部份考倒C级或以上

呢班F2學生, 仲有3年先正式考會考, 相信會考倒好好成績。

當然, 優才仲係好年輕既學校, 仲需要多D時閻, 先至眞正睇倒, 辨學目標 - 喜悦 + 卓越 - 可唔可以實現。

但係我就好有信心可以做倒。

[ 本文章最後由 中天英 於 07-9-24 02:21 編輯 ]

chunhei

原文章由 dabbycheung 於 07-9-21 08:49 硐表
優才最注重學生既係：

1) 品德
2) 愉快學習
3) 成績

I think it would be challenge to balance between 2) 愉快學習 and 3) 成績. In my mind, if the school is looking for the result. It would be difficult to keep happy learning.  It would be very difficult to implement it in the real world.

chunhei

I think the case happened in P3 last year.  I understand one of the classes got large number of hyperative students.  Inexperience teacher would have problem to manage such case that caused major damage last year.  
Hyperactive is not necessary gifted kid. It was mistake to put all such students in one class. I understand the school spend quite a lot of effort to correct it.

In the first two years, I found the school have more tolerance to the students. They would encourage them to be more participate the class activity such as small team discussion.   Some of students are trained to be more agressive.  That is what we expected for that school. The kid should be trained for active learning rather than one way learning.  They should be trained to challenge the norm when they are young.  In P3 or above, the school has much tigher measurement for discipline. It would be tough time for those students.

For good or bad student, it is suggestive. It depends on how you draw the line. That is no absolute right or wrong answer.     

Also, I understand 播道 would not offer seat for such active student. They would pick more quiet student in my oberservation from my kid's kindergarten
classmates in that school. ( It may be wrong. )

原文章由 Didier 於 07-9-16 10:21 硐表
Indeed, GT is a good school in terms of small class.
However, the problem is that they mix ordinary kids with gift talent kids in sames classes.

As a result,

1) they don't learn with the same pace  ...

pinkyqqq

每間學校都有好的學生和唔好的學生啦