想由蔡繼有轉去St Margaret's School

venice121

我小朋友今年升三年級,可惜老師說他的英文成績在標準以下但又要他升三年級,因為二年級無位.我個人認為這種情況只有官津學校才發生,想不到私學都有這個問題.家長願意付出比人多是因為期望學校是有別於其他官校,不然索性讀官校好了.

現想請教St Margaret's School家長,對此校的意見,例如學習情況,老師質素,學校行政等等.多謝!

venice121

kyliema,

老師的提議是完全不可行的辦法,因為根本不可能退下來.對我來說這所學校跟官校無大分別.只是有外藉老師教英語而已.如果想小朋友真真正正用英語溝通,最重要是同學之間都是用英語對話.老師只能訓練學生聆聽能力,在說話上就要視乎冋學之間是否肯用英語了.

原文章由 kyliema2006 於 23/7/07 12:19 發表


若學校真的會觀察孩子的適應力，在一個月後評估情況，或會要求他升級或留級，我會覺得合適，起碼孩子仍會給予一個最後機會。若此安排仍未制度化，學校祇為美其名，或美化【留級】的形像，就没有此必要 ...

kyliema2006

原文章由 ckwliu 於 07-7-23 12:09 發表
kyliema, P. Lau said somethingk like : let them try out first if they can psycologically cope with the change... if not, then find other ways...  not sure actually...  but should be able to switc ...

若學校真的會觀察孩子的適應力，在一個月後評估情況，或會要求他升級或留級，我會覺得合適，起碼孩子仍會給予一個最後機會。若此安排仍未制度化，學校祇為美其名，或美化【留級】的形像，就没有此必要了。最終祇會給予家長模稜兩可的感覺，又或令孩子再痛一次。

kyliema2006

原文章由 ckwliu 於 07-7-23 11:51 發表
In the P1 parents gathering, Principla Lau said there are 試升, 試留 and 補底.  Seems that some upper form parents have not heard of it... maybe it's a new "invention" this year...

Dear ckwliu,

請問【試升】及【試留】有甚麼實際用途呢？試完效果理想又如何呢？有點摸不著頭腦。

papa_pop

Venice, It's understandable you were upset with the teacher's attitude in your case.  Your kid seems to be comparatively weak in spoken English.  It's good that the teacher did alert you of your kid's weaknesses, but I also find her suggestion of promoting your kid to Y3 on a 'trial' basis unsettling.  Perhaps you'd need to talk to other (senior) teachers to sort out the various options and prepare for Plan B if things take a wrong turn.  

By the way, how do you find your kid doing in the past 10 month?  Was your kid enjoying school?  It could be a daunting job finding a perfect-matching school for a kid.  But changing school every year might not do much good to a kid too.

Fair to say that you're not alone in finding CKY not their cup of tea.

kyliema2006

原文章由 venice121 於 07-7-22 00:21 發表
多謝各位家長回應.

首先我想說明一點,我抱怨是老師的處事態度,當我拿成績表的時候,老師說我的孩子英文水平在全班尾二,我真是十分驚訝,跟着我問老師小朋友上課的時候是否明白老師的說話,她說小朋友在理 ...

評估不容易將學生標籤化，及可針對學生的強弱作分析，但他的弊端就是學生不容易知道他的位置，不知道問題的嚴重性。當老師說是全班尾二，在没有足夠心理準備的情況下，一定很難受。

況且，可謂【試升】呢？此舉，確實莫名其妙。小兒今年升小二，在這一屆，每班大約有26-28人，相比升小三的一屆少，為何說無位呢？難道有很多插班生？

你有否探究孩子自信心減低的真正原因呢？最重要是對症下藥嘛，有陣時退一步，可能會海闊天空。最重要是找一間合適的學校。

venice121

多謝各位家長回應.

首先我想說明一點,我抱怨是老師的處事態度,當我拿成績表的時候,老師說我的孩子英文水平在全班尾二,我真是十分驚訝,跟着我問老師小朋友上課的時候是否明白老師的說話,她說小朋友在理解英語的能力是沒有問題,只是惰性和不專心所以讓他升三年班而且她更提議讓他試升一個月,當時我担心的是英語水平在全班尾二為何要勉強升班而且她的提議是完全不可行因為當我問她是否真的可以降回二年級,她的答案既然是不.這是否荒天下之大謬?

其實我讓小朋友到這間昂貴學校,是相信老師質素會比其她好並提供一個良好的語言學習環境,趣味性的教學方式能提高小朋友的專注力並引發自學能力,但很明顯在我小朋友身上找不到以上的好處,他變得無自信,更懶散和不交功課再加上老師的荒謬提議,令我對此校非常失望.話雖如此,總會有成功的例子,問題取決於小朋友的能力.總言之,未嘗過又怎知道是什麼味道呢?

原文章由 kunggi201 於 07-7-20 13:54 發表


Agreed.
The school provides very good learning environment, but if students cannot develop their own initiatives to learn in the first two years, they will find themselves lagging behind in ...

塞曼莎

去或留,各人有自己的原因.最重要是找到合自己同小朋友的.其實自己都要付出,記起有人說"今天要早點回家同小朋友溫習... 現在要再讀小學"

其實去到邊間學校都唔好想著"自動波",將所有都交給學校.學校只提供學習環境,一班同一理念的家長.同學們互相影響而學習.不是有咩法術令同學們有好的閱讀/語言能力.

有些同學還是在Reading Corner看Picture Book,行來行去,但大部份已看著 chapter book, such as Rainbow Fairies/Magic Tree House,有些更說"我已看完邊本邊本...",一個好的良性競爭.學校要求同學們在某天說英文,不投入的便只在中文日狂說話,但投入的便無時無刻都提醒自己說咩語言,小朋友更互相提醒"O you said Chinese".但願我的小朋友能一路跟上主流的進度.

有邊間學校唔係話開心學習,我同意或者說接受事實的是,頭兩年好開心,跟著便會進一步深起來,學校及家長們都要面對現實,唔係點有好成績佢地考好的中學啊,特別是沒有中學的小學.

kyliema2006

補習問題
仍然清楚記得校長面試當天，校長一而再、再而三問孩子喜歡閱讀否，家長會否配合一起閱讀，每星期花多少時間在閱讀上．．．又云，學校希望與家長會成為partner等等。簡單講句，學校希望家長就是補習老師，每天與孩子閱讀，培養良好的閱讀習慣，從中進步、理解孩子的強與弱。試問，一般補習老師能否做到？所以，這就是孩子不用補習的原因了。我亦遇過一些高年級的學生，在家長口中，他們對閱讀不太感興趣的，他的學業成績亦相對較遜，就算他們每天補習（睇功課），效果亦不顯著。

補底問題
其實學校亦有類似中文�英文的加強班，美其名邀請部份學生參與，其實就是補底班。但歸根究底，若孩子未能養成良好的學習態度，可以做到的仍是有限。不似傳統學校，有範本可從，讀悉就得。其實知識是一點一滴的，若學生在低年級未能養成良好的閱讀習慣，到高年級時，學生的差異會很大。

好像學樂器一樣，有些孩子每天練習，有些每周練一兩天，成效立見高下。就算補習老師每天如何輔導較弱的一群，若孩子不肯自強，幫助亦是有限。

如果孩子缺乏閱讀興趣，可能傳統學校會較為適合。起碼，讀悉範本就可以應付測驗、考試，可能自信心會有所提高添！雖然我最討厭填鴨教育，但它的遊戲規則會較具體，容易被孩子跟從。

[ 本文章最後由 kyliema2006 於 07-7-21 10:51 編輯 ]

father_ho

原文章由 IH 於 07-7-20 12:43 發表
I want to emphasis I all along was an active pro-XKY parent during the first 3 to 4 years. I attended almost every parent nights, school activities and game days.  I kept close and good relations ...

Dear IH and others,

I am a CKY parent with two kids studying there. Honestly, I did not frequently attend school functions (I believe we all need to work hard for survival). Indeed, as mentioned before, kids studying in these "new" idea school require extra effort instead of just hiring up private tutor to complete the parent job. For my case, I try to monitor my kid's progress personally, school result, the International Assessment result and some third party opinion(teacher teaching in primary and sec. school) in order to benchmark my kids. For my interpretation of principal Lau's wordings regarding private tutor, I would say it is useless for you to hire private tutor who just teach your kids completing the homework and reviewing textbook. For me, the school did provide environment that local school can't offer such as not defining student by just a single mark but I also will not blindly trust the school and let them complete the job. My approach is just defining the weakness area of my kids such as may be he/she is weak in writing but good at reading listening, then I need to provide some measures to amend the situation.

Regarding change school decision, it's all up to parent judgement. I admitted that when student up to P3,4,5, the lang. requirement will be much higher and it's quite difficult for your kids to follow if he/she did already had the hard feeling. I have no idea about St. Marg. and I do believe no matter which school you choose (DSS or gov.) school, their approach will be the same(exam. mark driven) at upper pri. and sec. since all these schools need exam. result to show off (DSS show for existence, gov. school show for english school brand name). There's not many school principal as like the one in Fresh Fish Trader school and count the value added in student. If you admit it is the case, what will you want?

kunggi201

Dear Cathyneo

謝謝妳的意見！
可能是我太放任孩子，由他自行挑選他感興趣的課外活動和選擇書本，以至有此「後遺症」
過往香港人只要英文好就可以無往不利
今日，甚至未來20年，如果中文不好，只怕難以維生
補習和中文補充練習，對於我孩子會比較難以進行
看台灣出的漫畫書，也正是我現在做的
看新聞，我卻未曾想過，將會試試，謝謝！

catcatmom

E+ D 小朋友睇書, 好多都係自發性去睇, 邊度有得"迫"佢睇深d 程度既書+, 大學生去睇大人英文小說, 都5會隻隻字明啦! 佢地用好多俚語+嗎! 小朋友睇書只要鍾意同有興趣,  明白大意咪得law! 亞仔p3 已經睇Mr mildnight & a to z mysteries, 佢不知幾enjoy!  你比我睇, 我鐘意睇8掛雜誌多d!

Cathyneo

雖然學校話唔駛補習，但我地最清楚小朋友的強弱，對症下藥，打好語文基礎，一生受用。

Cathyneo

kunggi201,
我囝囝都係由英幼稚園升英小，接觸中文的機會唔多，不過我見囝囝小一呢年中文進步很多。原因如下：
1. 佢喜歡看新聞，新聞裏的廣東話較接近白話文，又有字幕，佢從中學左不少詞彙。
2. 我買左不少台灣出的漫畫書，內容很有趣，有科學、自然、歷史、冒險等，吸引到囝囝經常看。
3. 由幼稚園開始每星期有1小時去補習班上普通話中文堂(1對2)，由拼音開始學起，到現時每次會學兩篇文章，朗讀及有閱讀理解練習。
4. 我有買中文補充練習俾囝囝做，我要求佢每天完成兩頁，當練習寫字。

我唔知你小朋友在家中是講中文定英文，如果有講中文，又喜歡看書，應該追返中文都唔難。希望可以幫到你。

ps 你可以去我個人網址睇睇我介紹的書。

kunggi201

Thanks 502.

I don’t mean to show off.
Actually there are many kids in CKY having higher English standard than my boy.
In other CKY thread I also shared the strengths and weaknesses of my kid.
Yes, he is strong in English reading, this is the merit of the teaching method of CKY.
But he is not strong in spoken English, especially he is reluctant to speak in front of the class (I have already explained the reason).
Comparing to other government schools students, his Putonghua is good due to the daily training in school, but his Chinese reading and writing skills are……terrible!
I think his Chinese standard is far lagging behind the students of other local schools, and I have been having a headache on how to improve his Chinese.

As other parents said, CKY Principle Lau doesn’t suggest 補習 for their students.
Well, my personal view is that even you do, it won’t help, as CKY has its own curriculum, so no 補習社 can really follow the track of CKY.
I would prefer to find ways to raise the interest of my kid towards Chinese, e.g. let him read Chinese comic (記得我地細個時在學校睇公仔書會俾老師和家長罰嗎？想不到我現在居然叫孩子看漫畫).
I am also finding some interesting Chinese poem and speech courses.
It could be another way of 補習, just like CKY uses the terms “assessment” or “challenge” rather than “exam”, “penmanship” and 「靚字集」instead of “copybook”.

502

kunggi201,

It seems to me that I've just repeated your message.  

But great to see a parent who is really caring the kid's interests in books, rather than showing off!

Cheers,

502

502

對以下的評價很難認同。
完全同意不應該免強孩子閱讀他不感興趣的東西。 然而孩子閱讀時有若干不懂的地方絕對是可以理解的。孩子估計他能理解百分之六十又何錯之有？ 閣下又憑什麽理解kunggi201是在強迫孩子閱讀超越能力的水平呢？
我的孩子也在啃Harry Potter 第六冊. 我先生問我孩子能理解多少是我的回答是他自己會懂得調節， 我們家長根本不用多加理會， 只需要鼓勵他的閱讀興趣， 在他要求時加以協助即可。
就我自己爲例，小時候也是在人云亦云下開始閱讀中國四大名著。 書中不能完全讀懂的地方比比皆是， 但慢慢也學懂欣賞。 誰說要在讀懂以後才開始閱讀？ 我們要學懂游泳才可以跳進水裏嗎？
請christf 以比較客觀的討論態度來跟家長分享，
而不是以嘲弄諷刺出發！

原文章由 christf 於 07-7-20 14:14 發表
**My Y3 kid started reading the Harry Potter series last year.
He said he understood about 60% of the stories. Not bad.**

It is so funny to hear that someone claims he/she understood about 6 ...