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失敗教育制度

本人之小朋友就讀官校小一, 剛派發上學期成績表, 班主任對小朋友評價不敢認同,請各位給予意見.

班主任說小朋友中文理解能力差,恐怕不能應付二年級的程度, 家長可考慮另找一間適合的小學.......,小朋友懶散,不可能在課堂上調教, 可找訓導主任商討.....

本人之小朋友IQ未致140, 但也算澬質聰敏,雖然頑皮無耐性,也未致不受教.

請問各位家長是否在短短五個月時間就可對一個小朋友定型,是否說傳統小學不適合,需要轉往英文小學或活動教學就適合.
請問各位老師教學是一份工作或是培養社會下一代,是否需要一份教學熱誠,小朋友在學校的學習有問題是否要家校合作.
對於一個小朋友他們要應付填鴨式教育,還要應付老師所需, 是否香港教育制度失敗. 這樣除打擊一個聰敏的小朋友,將來是否又多一個問題兒童.

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Re: 失敗教育制度

MissMan:

你小朋友似乎係個別老師/學校o既問題多d,我知道有d官校都對d有特殊學習需要ge學生好包容架.

喺現時ge教育制度下,其實家長當初幫小朋友選校真係要好小心,盡量唔好錯配.尤其係有特殊學習需要ge學生,如果會騷擾課堂秩序,老師難做之餘,最慘仲會有可能比其他家長投訴,咁咪會好麻煩囉.

如果你小朋友係資優,咁係會比普通小朋友難教d,家長真係要比多成擔心機去栽培架,不如你去"資優兒童"個forum參考吓啦.

學校方面,你睇吓係咪好想繼續留响呢間學校,如果係,就
自己要主動多d同老師溝通,等小朋友學習情況可以改善,假如成績唔夠好,你就要同佢加鞭先得嘞. 萬一你都真係有去意,咁就要開始做嘢準備.

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Re: 失敗教育制度

Teachers in govt schools won't be patient to teach those students who do not follow instructions. They are facing 40 students in a class, and only 35 mins a lesson, how can they really "teach" every child? They can only spoon feed the texts to the students, ask them to do more homework and memorize those texts. If the kid cannot follow, and parents are not teaching the kids well at home, it is natural that the kids cannot get good results.

So maybe you need to help the child more at home, and see if the school is suitable for the child.

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I know their time is very tie in class, but nobody let me know my kids behave in school until parents day , children stay in school time is more than home , not just said 另找一間適合的小學.... will be better, do you think this is fair for a kids?

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發表於 07-3-2 11:29 |只看該作者

Re: 失敗教育制度

MissMan,

Not sure if you know there is nothing "fair" on earth! It will be more practical to think how to help the kid to do better. You can ask the teachers more in details, not wait for the teachers to tell you. It is always the parents' responsibility to find the most suitable school for the kid, not just rely on the school. If you don't understand this, no one can help you.

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發表於 07-3-2 11:52 |只看該作者

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Dear WYmom,

I have contact school coupon time before, the freeback is their very busy and no free time discuss w/ you. And I think no major matter for my kids I don't wont disturb school.

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發表於 07-3-2 12:03 |只看該作者

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MissMan,

If you have tried the best to discuss with the school and still no feedback, then this school seems won't care about helping kids with special needs. In fact it is quite common in HK, unfortunately. That's why so many parents now choose those new DSS or private schools instead of joining govt schools. We cannot change the system, so can only try to find a better school for the kids.

I have seen gifted children in govt schools with poor results, the school just won't care, and the parents do not change school, the poor kids just end up wasting their time sleeping in classes. I really feel pity for them, yet I am not their parents and can't help!

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發表於 07-3-2 13:21 |只看該作者

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missman..

      我想跟你"分享"下我阿仔的情況。

      我也很少知道阿仔在校的情況，也是到家長日才知道較多。知道他對上課沒興趣，經常挑戰和唔尊重老師，又騷擾同學，讓我頗擔心。但幸好學校現已著手安排ep幫助我阿仔，又話會努力和我合作管教好個仔。又答應會配合阿仔在某方面強項的加速。

      只是，我覺得以阿仔對上課缺乏興趣的情況下，返全日制實在加劇惡劣的情況。因為，香港普遍的上課時間都是上兩堂連堂再放一個小息，兩堂連堂都成個半鐘。(當然，如果學校不是傳統式教學，是"真正"的活動教學，這倒還可以接受)

你知嘛，以前在台唸書時，每五十分鐘便一個break，可以離開課室，俾我地舒一口氣，充一下電，上下toilet。但香港的小學生就必須連上兩堂，才有一個小息，兼且並不是完整時間的小息。(可能老師延誤下課，又或跑去廁所，再下到操場時，時間已經所餘無幾，又要上課室了，仲好可能要上幾層樓)

對於一個本身對上課內容不感興趣，又思想行動都急速活躍的孩子來說，真係好痛苦的一件事。
好了，捱完整天課堂，(可能大部分老師教授的都沒聽進去)。回到家，又要做功課，即使沒有功課，你叫佢溫書ge話，對佢來說也太"殘忍"了。因為係學校佢自覺已經被剥削了他的自由，回到家你又要佢做功課讀書，佢自然反感。佢可能好想釋放白天被 "困"著的苦悶出來，盡情自由輕鬆做他想做的事。

之但係，由於佢白天無聽書，如果我又不管他溫書或教他東西，他成績自然不理想。他現在小一倒無所謂，但在大一點呢？

我正在想，如果可以給他在校半天"監禁"(他認為如此)，下午一點多回到家裡，我便可以給他homeschooling，又可以讓他有較多時間玩樂和做他喜歡的興趣，那麼，他或許上課也沒那麼佻皮吧？

我不知道教統局係咪要所有學校有天全都變全日制。也不知道如果我向學校申請個別返半天是否可行。

但，只要想到幫阿仔解決他上課的困擾(對老師、同學和佢自己，還有我)，我會絞盡腦汁想任何法子的，否則，大家都好辛苦。

老實說，即使很有愛心的學校、老師，也無法忍受學生騷擾課堂和同學的。做家長的我們，可以做的是盡力和學校溝通，如果真的不行，情況又很惡劣，那只好再找一間起碼可以跟你溝通，以及"較"為適合你孩子特性的學校了。

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MissMan 寫道:
I know their time is very tie in class, but nobody let me know my kids behave in school until parents day , children stay in school time is more than home , not just said 另找一間適合的小學.... will be better, do you think this is fair for a kids?

誰會直率地說出所認識的真實？有所認識的少數人，愚蠢地不隱蔽自己充實的心，向愚民們說明他們的感情和見識，他們總是被人磔死或燒死。歌德 <<浮士德>>入來做下test，不同的人對事情有不同的看法和感受﹗

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MissMan,

其實這只是少數的個別例子而已，我們不能就以此歸根於教育制度的失敗。此外我也很認同WYmom的說法，值得妳深入思考。我也認識一個朋友，他兒子的情况和遭遇與妳的描述一樣，唯一分別的是其兒子當時在一家津校唸一年級。更誇張的是，班主任認為其兒子有 "學障"，需要把事件轉介校署跟進.... 父母聽到後大發雷庭，認為其班主任根本就不懂得小朋友(特別是細仔)的心智發展情況。除此，由於工作忙碌的原因，他們也無暇在功課上督促及教導兒子，因此被逼把甚麼都要推給學校.....最後都想通了：他們認為在如此學校傳統教學的模式下，兒子不只能差下去，而且還會很不開心。後來把兒子轉去了在沙田石門以新思維教學模式的 "浸小"升讀二年級。兒子在新的學校讀書很開心，也沒聽到老師的投訴，據說這是歸功於該校沒甚麼功裸給學生。這看來朋友的現在頭痛問題已獲解決了。但我認為這只是把其頭痛問題往後推遲發作而已，因為假如日後不出國留學的話，在香港讀下去，將會面臨很大的競爭而被淘汰；在香港傳统學校唸書的學生往往是 "先苦後甜"。畢竟針無兩頭利嘛！

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Do you think the result is 先苦後甜? I know more young people their Chinese or English level is more poor than before.

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MissMan,

是呀！你所看見的情況也確有存在的。也許我寫的詞不達意，抱歉！殘酷點來講，學校裏只有兩種學生：一是能讀得上書的，二是讀不上書的。我之所說"先苦後甜" 的意思當然是指那些能讀到書的學生：眼前艱苦的操練和繁重的功課都是將來進入本地大學之門的基石。假如他們在類似國際學校那種輕鬆教學摸式下學習，雖然我們不能否定其效果，但其始終不是與本地大學及遊戲規則接軌嘛，屆時必然辛苦去投考本地大學，事倍功半。

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Navigator,

長久的將來, 誰可預見. 以目前來說越改越失敗, 現在所謂大學生中英文程度差, 曾有南亚人士問我香港現今的年青人為什麼英文程度這麼差,他們的國家母語也不是英文呀.

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MissMan

老師係打份工炸!最了解囝囝/囡囡係你,最幫到佢又係你!有一位宣道(私校果間)既媽媽同我講,靠老師就蛇都死啦!上堂搞搞震既小朋友,可能超高iq,係讀到書既!睇下你點培育佢!你同佢搵過間活動教學!

偉大Einstein係學校成日同老師作對,係老師們既眼中釘,(He did poorly in his studies becoz he hated learning by heart and taking exams. he was good at math and sciende but failed many other subjects )
Einstein咪叫佢屋企人送去當時先進既switerland籮,好彩佢老豆係jewish有d錢.

我細女29月既時候係健康阮check過有問題,轉介左去言語治療師,佢話亞女認識能力得1歲多d,叫我要送去d全日幼稚園好d,甘我送去保記幼稚園返全日,等佢學講多d野籮!點知亞女中午唔訓教,要玩! 保記老師同我講,亞女唔訓教唔得!左住佢地既運作(佢地無得休息籮!)甘我就同亞女搵過第二間,最後都搵到.

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catcatmom,

I understanding family and school relationship, but I surprised the teacher saying, his spoke on behalf of school, and judge a kids whole life, but the kids just stayed in five months. In the parents day, he did not let us know my kids in school behave voluntarily until we have query.

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發表於 07-3-3 11:30 |只看該作者

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It would be quite a surprise if there was no hint at all. But did any teacher write any bad comments on the student handbook? My son got a lot bad comments (and crosses) in his P 1.

I was so worried at first and asked my son to explain to me every time what had happened.
But later on I found that more than half of the class was like that. Cos the teacher could do very little (for punishment)when the kids misbehaved. They could probably only talk to the kids and write bad comments on the student handbooks.

MissMan 寫道:
catcatmom,

I understanding family and school relationship, but I surprised the teacher saying, his spoke on behalf of school, and judge a kids whole life, but the kids just stayed in five months. In the parents day, he did not let us know my kids in school behave voluntarily until we have query.

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MissMan 寫道:
catcatmom,

I understanding family and school relationship, but I surprised the teacher saying, his spoke on behalf of school, and judge a kids whole life, but the kids just stayed in five months. In the parents day, he did not let us know my kids in school behave voluntarily until we have query.

MissMan

我諗妳要冷靜Ｄ先，好多家長如果畀人這樣講自己個寶貝仔，好可能都會有妳這樣的反應。第一老師如可“judge a kids whole life”呢？可否清楚D具體D講一講。

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