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實難取捨,各有利幣,請賜教

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我會簡TSL

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你其實要考慮很多因素,例如住的地區,不要要小朋友花太長時間在上學及放學.以我自己為例,考慮很多因素後,我為女兒選擇了蔡繼有.

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唔知你有冇去過佢地d簡介會，如果有$可以簡蔡繼有，而且入得去就要預咗讀完中學，因為蔡繼有係十一年學制。兩間我都參觀過，其實兩間d小朋友都係好開心。

蔡繼有每班有兩個班主任，一中一西(參觀時到小朋友講d英文好好)，而陳守仁就只係香港人教英文。
蔡繼有分組上課大約十幾人一組，而陳守仁除法文課分組外就四十幾人一班。
蔡繼有現有校舍將於明年原地重建對學生有一定分影響，而陳守仁將於明年在原有校舍對面興建多一坐多用途校舍。
參觀時覺得蔡繼有d小朋友比較乖而陳守仁d小朋友就比較活潑。

其實好睇你唸住點計畫，小朋友將來會唔會去外國讀書等等。

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我想補充的是 TSL，每班都是有兩個co-teacher, one responsible for Chinese subject and other one for English subject. Like my boy his English Teacher is a Hongkongee came back from Canada.

The new storey going to build at TSL is a “Musical Centre”, equip with rooms specialized in musical instrument training and an Exhibition hall. We can foresee TSL will focus on students’ musical curriculum in the future.

As for class structure, there is around 30 students each class in the French and Chinese lessons, whilst there are around 40 students in other subjects.

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Msma

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其實外國人教英文, 徐oral 外, 係無中國人教得咁好架..

grammar , tenses 佢地識用, 但唔識教.. 仲有呀好多外國教師係兩年兩年咁係度 contract架乍. 佢地無根架, 無乜想教叻學生呢個使命感架(神職人員就唔同, 佢地真係用心教), d 鬼佬鬼婆當打份工兩年走人架.. 當然亦有例外啦..

我當年都係鬼婆 (澳洲)教英文架, 係丫上堂好happy 架, 睇下電視, 唱下英文歌, 又一堂喇.. 結果..d成績成級至差系我地果兩班.. 下一年鬼婆未滿, 我校長都請佢返歸啦!..

我好唔讚同鬼佬鬼婆教英文好過中國人教! 徐神職人員外. 都係教oral 先得架乍!

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我參觀蔡繼有時校長都話佢地嘅外籍老師有d係合約完就可能會走而有d係香港出世家人居於香港嘅外籍人。
可能因為我個仔間幼稚園都係一中一西(雙班主任)，而佢d英文又幾好所以個人比較鍾意蔡繼有。
DT
補充多少少，蔡繼有好似小二開始中文堂係以普通話上課。

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陳守仁是-傳統教學 (全職媽媽比較適合)
蔡繼有是-活動教學 (全職及在職媽媽都ok)

選校須考慮小朋友能力及性格才選擇教學模式, 及父母能否在在幕後配合.

兩者選一, 我選蔡繼有.

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Dear DT,

I am actually facing the same problem as you. I have registered CKY a week ago but I am still worrying whether I have chosen the right school for my child.  My questions are:
1. Some of the feedback from BK parents say that the CKY students may be very naughty since the teachers do not care about the discipline in class.
2. The school is going to re-build for a few years.  In the meantime, the facilities seem to be not enough and not suitable for the students.  Remember that the present school is quite old and is previously a college for education which is designed for the adults.
3. Since the teaching method is by activity approach, there is no way to go back.
4. The extra-curriclar activities are very limited at present.  There are no scouts, no red-cross, and very few sports.
5. I have heard about 2 cases that the P1 parents decided to change school for their children after the parent observation day!

There are also some drawbacks for TSL:
1. Many point out that the teachers' English have strong HK ascent.
2. The class-size is too big.
3. School is not through-train and allocation for secondary schools may not be good.
4. Teaching method is traditional and there are elite classes.
5. Many people say that the non-Hongkong students are very naughty?
6. Many people also say the school is not as good as before when the previous principal has left?

Therefore, I am so confusing like you at present and I really hope if anyone can tell me my worries are wrong and stupid.  Anyway, I think it's worth attending the CKY orientation talk on the coming Saturday before making your final decision.  Please let me know your choice, DT.

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多謝你們的寶貴意見.
我曾數次參觀蔡繼有,印象不錯,學生上課都算有紀律.課室及洗手間重新裝修以適合小學生之用.
去年只參觀過陳守仁一次,每班學生人數較多,座位之安排是傳統模式,大部份外藉學生是印巴藉.
本人在抉擇方面的憂慮是
1. 蔡繼有的學費及雜費在未來能否保持現水平
2. 蔡繼有地點較遠
3. 陳守仁到五六年班又要為升中而博殺
至於其他,請提供寶貴意見
1. 實質方面蔡繼有推行一生一体藝,一定要學生選擇學一款樂器,至於体育方面本人則不知曉.請問陳守仁有否特定的實質目標?
2. 除了用英語教學外和法文堂,陳守仁有甚麼與傳統學校不同?
3. 跟據陳守仁的03-04計劃書,為甚麼有一班是中文教學?
4. 陳守仁幾年級要分精英班?

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I am really glad to hear that you find the discipline in class is OK during your visits because that is my major concern. For school fees, I always tell myself, if my child studies in a Chinese school, I will let him to study Cambridge English or CECES English courses, etc. that are also quite expensive. If he studies in CKY, I think the English training at school is enough.

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If both location and money are not the main concerns, I will choose CKY because of their teaching philosophy and full train.

In choosing CKY, we also have to buy the same ideal concept as the school's and must believe the outcome (13 years later) is successful from the day your kid join the school. The continuous cooperation and coordination between the school and the parents are the most important factor to work it out.

Loving, Caring & Sharing “教養孩童，使他走當行的道，就是到老，他也不偏離。” (箴言23:6)

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Re: 陳守仁vs蔡繼有---- 小一最後抉擇

DT,

Try to answer your query on TSL (my girl is P2) on my point of view :

1. 實質方面蔡繼有推行一生一体藝,一定要學生選擇學一款樂器,至於体育方面本人則不知曉.請問陳守仁有否特定的實質目標?
- 愉快學習
- 注重音樂培養 although not complusory, have percussion band, orchestra and also various muscial instrument class, my girl is learning cello in school

2. 除了用英語教學外和法文堂,陳守仁有甚麼與傳統學校不同?
- 功課較少, 老師與學生打成一片

3. 跟據陳守仁的03-04計劃書,為甚麼有一班是中文教學?\
- 那一班是指用普通話教中文科

4. 陳守仁幾年級要分精英班?
- 如果精英班是指普通話教中文科 (因很多人想入), 就P.2開始

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以斯帖

Pls check PM

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My comment on CKY in other thread, copied as follows:

小兒將在九月入讀蔡繼友
我個人經驗，覺得出來做事的人
最重要是語言能力和創意，前者我沒有
以至給很多識說話、但能力比我差的同事爬了頭
而我覺得，蔡繼友的長處正是在語言方面的培訓
面試和登記時，都觀察到學生的英語能力很好
不過，蔡繼友在學生discipline方面是比較鬆
（e.g. 見到學生不是”排隊” 等放學校車
而是靠著牆，甚至臥在地上等，喜歡學生規規舉舉的家長未必喜歡）
所以學生一般會較頑皮，不過我不介意
最重要是他能發展所長

我有朋友在蔡繼友任教
我也聽到不少怨言（女校長對老師有很多額外要求）
是不是白老鼠？可能是吧！
要怪，就怪香港的填鴨教育和攪珠制度吧！

In fact, my kid was admitted to both TSL and CKY as well, but I eventually chose CKY because:

1] the reasons mentioned above
2] I don’t want my kid to get into traditional school
3] the surrounding environment of TSL, e.g. fruit market… make me feel uncomfortable.

Which school or not, of course depending on your preference of teaching methods, travelling distance, etc. So, you should ask yourself, what would you like your kid to be?

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hi kunggi201, does your son adapt the school ?

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I also like both CKY and TSL.

For TSL, I visited it throught my son's PLK kindergarten. The presentation of briefing session are quite good and the students there are keen and polite to talk to me during the visit.

In my opinion, to choose between CKY and TSL, if the answers of the following two points are certain, then you don't need to think other points anymore.

Firstly, if you think that the school fee of CKY is not affordarble, then better not to choose it. As I went to the briefing session, a parent asked the principal about the possibilty of increasing the school fee in the future. The answer is yes and the principal said in order to maintain the CG, increasing the school fee is unavoidable.

The second thought is that if you are not prepared your kid to study abroad, then better not to choose CKY as CKY will not prepare your kid for HK public exams. They will use IB system which is still not known the result of it yet.

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bowling68 寫道:
hi kunggi201, does your son adapt the school ?

Yeap. He enjoys very much his school life, and his English language ability showed substantial improvements in the first year. His Putonghua was weak, but he (P.2 now) begins to use Putonghua sometimes at home this year….(very strange behaviour, 可能在學校多用了普通話，潛而默化下在家也會 “爆” 幾句普通話).

So, my beliefs remain unchanged:

[1] 在學習早期，培養孩子的語言能力和學習興趣是最重要，默書串字只會令孩子厭惡學習．
[2] 寧要曳曳仔，也不要薯仔；孩子曳曳，是因為他有獨立思維，是天賦，不應壓迫，只要不太過份曳曳就讓他發揮創意吧
[3] 繼續支持CKY的教學方法，繼續投訴CKY的行政安排（今學期已投訴過兩次了，可能是我”柯過”掛？）

No school is perfect, just pick the one in line with your philosophy on learning.

P.S. There is another thread talking about CKY

http://www.baby-kingdom.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=407954&forum=7&132

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ChunMaMa 寫道:
Firstly, if you think that the school fee of CKY is not affordarble, then better not to choose it. As I went to the briefing session, a parent asked the principal about the possibilty of increasing the school fee in the future. The answer is yes and the principal said in order to maintain the CG, increasing the school fee is unavoidable.

The second thought is that if you are not prepared your kid to study abroad, then better not to choose CKY as CKY will not prepare your kid for HK public exams. They will use IB system which is still not known the result of it yet.

[1] 同意，School fee…是一個長時間的「投資」，要考慮清楚，CKY有很多公務員家長（可惜我不是），有津貼，當然會輕鬆很多；交全數學費的（即是我），真係一個負擔

[2] 不同意，IB漸漸成為國際潮流，如果香港仍想成會國際中心，總不成繼續我們的填鴨式教育吧？（我在外國讀書時，洋教授們除了讚賞香港學生的數學能力，對我們的語言能力和創意能力….嘿！）我孩子還有10多年才上大學，我相信，到時香港大學的招生方法，早已變得更合世界潮流吧

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Re: 陳守仁vs蔡繼有---- 小一最後抉擇

我沒有考慮CKY,因為:
1.對我來說太貴(2個小朋友)
2.私校對納稅人唔化算,納咗稅但完全無資助

無論tranditional approach or activities approach 都有本身的優點缺點,父母都要在旁fine tune.
IB 是非常貴的教學課程,在香港不易普及,有部份香港新興直資小學經常掛在嘴邊,我相信不少會難尾收場(CKY當然無問題啦,保良局信心保證,可惜係私校啫)。

kunggi201 寫道:
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ChunMaMa 寫道:
Firstly, if you think that the school fee of CKY is not affordarble, then better not to choose it. As I went to the briefing session, a parent asked the principal about the possibilty of increasing the school fee in the future. The answer is yes and the principal said in order to maintain the CG, increasing the school fee is unavoidable.

The second thought is that if you are not prepared your kid to study abroad, then better not to choose CKY as CKY will not prepare your kid for HK public exams. They will use IB system which is still not known the result of it yet.

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