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DreamKid

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發表於 14-6-26 10:02 |只看該作者 |倒序瀏覽 |打印

Hi   Everyone

Just as we are about to go on our   travels for the summer, we have the following situation to discuss.   Personally, the sooner we mobilize on this matter the better.

Background:

ESF have recently ruled that children in ESF kindergartens will get   priority for interview from next year 2014-15. Given that siblings, Alumni   and Nomination Rights Scheme payers also get priority, than children from the   traditional KJS feeder kindergartens (YMCA, Anfield etc.). will be very   unlikely to get an interview. This situation will only be exacerbated further   when the new ESF Tung Chung kindergarten opens next year.

Whilst the decision by ESF is understandable   given the removal of the Government subvention and the need to develop a more   effective financial strategy, it is nevertheless very unfair on the local KJS   community. The nearest ESF kindergartens are located well outside of the   local area in Tsing Yi, Wu Kai Sha and (from next year) Tung Chung. Once the   Tung Chung Kindergarten opens it will be virtually impossible for students   outside of these areas to get a place at KJS (or any ESF school), unless   families are willing to send their 2 and 3 year olds on a long bus journey,   to and from school each day.

For some ESF   schools the decision to give priority to ESF kindergartens is not such a   problem, since many have kindergartens on their doorstep; and thus parents   have a choice. However until such time that ESF decide to open kindergartens   in the local area, families who have traditionally seen several generations   through the school gates will be virtually excluded from sending children to   KJS.

When ESF called on the KJS parents to   petition the Hong Kong Government to ask for a financial contribution to the   new KJS campus, the community showed their full support. Thus it seems   disingenuous for ESF to now take a decision that virtually excludes anyone   from the local community from sending their children to the   school.

Action:

In order to ensure   that we have a fair and inclusive interview and enrollment process we need to   petition against this decision. This can only be done by discussing the   matter with our community and canvassing their support. We must make it   clear, that whilst the decision made by ESF in principle is understandable,   it is not the right decision for KJS until such time there is a fair spread   of ESF kindergartens across the SAR; and we have a centre close to the   school.

Please discuss this matter with   your friends and family members and if any of them want to share their   concerns. You can contact me via the following email address:

[email protected]  < mailto:[email protected]>

Best regards,


Sheila   Gridley                                        Karina Aswani

KJS PTA Chairperson                           KJS PTA Vice Chairperson


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happyhealthymin

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發表於 14-6-26 10:19 |只看該作者

回覆：For anyone who would like to express their view

But from 2015 ESF kgs have no more priority for ESF primary. Thats good news for the local community, right?



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FattyDaddy

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發表於 14-6-26 10:50 |只看該作者
DreamKid 發表於 14-6-26 10:02
ESF to now take a decision that virtually excludes anyone from the local community from sending their children to the school ...
I think there is some misunderstanding here, starting from September next year (2015) ESF kindergartens will no longer enjoy priority, the chances of non-ESF kindergarten pupils entering ESF primary schools will only increase, not decrease. So what if those ESF kindergarten pupils applying in September this year still have priority, that is the way it has been for many years, it seems a little strange to complain now in this very last year.

International schools aren't exactly community schools anyway, take Harrow International for example, located in Tuen Mun, can we say they have virtually excluded everyone living on HK island? They don't give priority to Tuen Mun or NT residents either.

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jolalee  Yes i share your view too. This is the FINAL year for ESF kindergarten applicants to have ESF primary interview priority, and has been like this for years. It is not a &quot;recently ruled&quot; situation.   發表於 14-6-26 15:19

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sharons

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發表於 14-6-26 13:03 |只看該作者
Look for the big picture please, ESF is not the only international school in HK. Don't tighten yourself by its frame.

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DreamKid  My kids are not going to apply for ESF. My kids are already in.  發表於 14-6-26 17:21

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oooray

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發表於 14-6-26 15:38 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 oooray 於 14-6-26 16:57 編輯

I guess it is the consequence of abolishment of Cat.1/Cat. 2 system in ESF admission.
In the past, Cat. 1 children can have the priority of interview no matter which kindergarten they were studying (even higher than Cat 2 children with siblings in ESF school and/or Cat. 2 children studying in ESL kindergarten).

It is true that even if they do not mind travelling a long distance to any ESL kindergarten, their interview priority is much lower than their old days.

On the contrary, it was not fair to those Cat. 2 children studying in so-called KJS feeder schools that they had almost no chance for a Year One interview, not because of their ability but just because they were categorized as Cat. 2..
Under the new regulations, it is still "unfair" to those children studying in the same so-called KJS feeder schools because their interview priority remains the lowest; but any parents still have a chance to move up their interview priority by studying in any ESL kindergartens from K1.
Now, those privileged group does not want to follow the new regulations and refuse to choose ESL kindergarten by some reasons but they still want to keep the priority in their old days. Is it fair to the rest of the applicants?

Please correct me if i was wrong.


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Radiomama

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發表於 14-6-26 15:47 |只看該作者
回覆 oooray 的帖子

Very well said!!  

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FattyDaddy

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發表於 14-6-26 16:25 |只看該作者
The more I look at this, the more illogical this complaint seems.

If these people who are making the complaint are in the KJS PTA, that means they already have a child studying there, then their younger children would have sibling priority. Furthermore, they said they have seen "several generations through the school gates" so they would also have alumni priority. Both sibling and alumni priorities come before ESF kindergarten priority, so how could these people claim to be excluded?

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oooray  That's contradicting. Maybe they voice out for their friends living nearby.  發表於 14-6-26 16:48

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andykst

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發表於 14-6-26 16:35 |只看該作者
Priority for an ESF School Interview

Children attending an ESF International Kindergarten will receive priority for interview at an ESF school, for Year 1 central applications made in September  2014 and for applications made in subsequent years. Priority for interview is subject to having attended kindergarten for a minimum of two terms prior to the applicable January Year 1 interview period. A priority for interview will also be given at Renaissance College.

For Year 1 Central Applications made in September 2015, children attending an ESF International Kindergarten will not receive priority for interview at Discovery College.

http://www.esfkindergartens.org. ... hool-interview.html

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FattyDaddy

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發表於 14-6-26 16:36 |只看該作者
oooray 發表於 14-6-26 15:38
I guess it is the consequence of abolishment of Cat.1/Cat. 2 system in ESF admission ...
I think you're right, I believe it is the Cat 1 priority they really want to see reinstated, but they beat around the bush and used ESF kindergarten priority to muddy the issue. They couldn't have picked a worse excuse because this is the last year of ESF kindergarten priority.

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DreamKid

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發表於 14-6-26 17:21 |只看該作者
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The reason that I post this is because I am confused by the email.  It sounds like that ESF kinder students get priority which is different from my understanding.  I have taken a look at the admission priority on the ESF website.  It also said priority being given to ESF kinder students.  It did not say anything about 2014/15 is the last year.  So, I thought maybe ESF changed the policy again.


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DreamKid

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發表於 14-6-26 17:28 |只看該作者
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Also, if ESF does change their admission priority, people who is thinking about not go to ESF kinder may need to reconsider.....

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FattyDaddy

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發表於 14-6-26 18:00 |只看該作者
DreamKid 發表於 14-6-26 17:28
回覆 andykst 的帖子

Also, if ESF does change their admission priority, people who is thinking about ...
Last month ESF did an online "Stakeholder Survey" covering all existing parents, may be they are changing some of their policies (yet again) based on the feedback from the survey, just a guess.

I never understood why they wanted to remove the ESF kindergarten priority in the first place. Why do something which hurts their kindergarten business but brings no overall benefit to ESF? It does not make business sense. From recent discussions in this forum it seems ESF kindergartens are making many last minute offers this year which is very unusual, no doubt an indication that the kindergartens have become much less popular than before, and may be this sharp drop in popularity has finally shocked ESF back to their senses.

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Ononma

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發表於 14-6-26 18:13 |只看該作者
總算「縣崖勒馬」啦！

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FattyDaddy

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發表於 14-6-26 18:34 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 14-6-26 18:36 編輯

In any case, whether ESF kindergarten priority is removed or continued is irrelevant to this group of people who are soliciting support for their petition, they already enjoy sibling and/or alumni priority which is HIGHER than ESF kindergarten priority.

If they are really petitioning on behalf of their gweilo neighbours who have children studying in non-ESF kindergartens and would like to see the Cat 1 priority reinstated, they better make this clear.

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jolalee

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發表於 14-6-27 03:15 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 14-6-27 03:15 編輯

The whole reason why ESF abolished the Cat 1 / Cat 2 system is because applicants lied through their teeth on the application. Of the entire K1 my son is in, only a few children were accepted as Cat 2 family (only 1 child in my son's class). However, during the bridging program last summer (where parents accompany the kids to class for 1-3 weeks), as well as during pick up and drop off, I heard many MANY parents speaking to their children in Canto. There were kids who spoke to my son in Canto as well (which my son failed to understand) so i am sure they started speaking to them in canto as babies.

For KG applicants' "play visit", it is difficult to spot them since the kids cannot speak much yet so as long as the parent has a decent command of English and the child seem to understand it then they get in. I suppose that could be the reason why ESF abolished the KG priority to Primary as well. Their original reason for existence is to give non-Canto speaking expats decent and reasonably priced education in HK. That case where the ESF KG child who failed the Primary interview, causing the distressed mother to throw the girl over the rail several stories high in a shopping mall, could be one of the trigger for the new changes. Why keep something that failed to function as it should have?

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木子兔媽媽

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發表於 14-6-27 04:41 |只看該作者

回覆：For anyone who would like to express their view

We have applied ESF Hillside R1 for our girl and today the school said we are in Entry Waitlist. That means she was successful in play visit yet there is no place available. After the change of the admission system again the impact will be:

1. The previously massive drop out of potential candidates due to the 'non-priority' factor will be gone. It would be nearly impossible to have a vacancy turned out later.

2. The ever-changing policy of ESF is the most concerning after all these!



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jolalee  Wait, do you mean ESF has changed their policy again?  發表於 14-6-27 04:44

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koala_xin

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發表於 14-6-27 14:31 |只看該作者
Do you honestly believe, in the old day, Cat1/Cat2 overrides ESF kindergarten?
It's already a hidden fact that ESF kindergarten pupils have priority in ESF primary interview.

Do you honestly believe ESF run their waiting list purely based on chronological order, as they declared? Then why don't they post out the whole waiting list and let you know where are you?

I don't think it's a fair world, so is for ESF..

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Mighty

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發表於 14-6-27 16:40 |只看該作者
I honestly believe that Cat1 students had priority over ESF kindergarten students in the old days.  I experienced it myself. Dont know about it now though.
Mighty
love you for you
自分に負けるな！！

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jolalee

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發表於 14-6-27 18:05 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 14-6-27 18:09 編輯
koala_xin 發表於 14-6-27 14:31
Do you honestly believe, in the old day, Cat1/Cat2 overrides ESF kindergarten?
It's already a hidden ...
It is NOT a HIDDEN fact, in the old days ESF KG pupils do have priority for ESF primary interview; it was a PUBLICLY KNOWN fact.  Cat1/2 does not have priority over ESF KG, at least not in recent years (until last year). I'm talking about Cat1/2 going into ESF KG, not primary. Starting K1 this year they won't have KG priority anymore, but seeing the drop in ppl accepting the ESF KG offer they are having second thoughts!!!

ESF never ran their waiting list based on chronological order!! Every applicant is assigned a RANDOM number, and by priority say Alumni/sibling with number # 4, 6, 16 goes first for interview, then KG kids with # 3, 7, 8, 19, then  Cat 1 # 2, 5, 9, 15 then Cat 2 #1, 10, 11, 20 etc. It is all very clear. You can check where you are at on the waiting list if you call them. They do tell you. My son was wait listed last year and i knew exactly where he was in the queue.

Unlike most IS with a waiting POOL, ESF has a clear queue, and more or less fair system depending on one's definition of fairness. (Usually people find things fair if it serves them well, LOL)

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