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本帖最後由 4eyesDad 於 12-11-2 17:51 編輯

See the link from Guardian, UK:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/datablog/2012/oct/11/how-hard-is-it-to-get-into-oxbridge?intcmp=239

It appears that Oxford is harder to get into than Cambridge in terms of success rate in law and medicine (2011 figures):

Oxford law: 17% (state schools)/24% (independent schools)
Oxford medicine: 12%/16%

Cambridge law: 27%/36%
Cambridge medicine: 17%/30%

Compare to the average 3% success rate for some kindergartens and primary schools in Hong Kong, Oxbridge is arguably not hard to get into at all!

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Oxbridge applicants are in a self serving pool - that means every applicant has equal chance to be admitted. However, for other schools, if you are not up to the standard, you may still apply. That is why the admission rate of Oxbridge is higher than other UK colleges.

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4eyesDad 發表於 12-11-2 17:49
See the link from Guardian, UK:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/datablog/2012/oct/11/how-hard-i ...

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Also need to check the number of applicants for both programs, if same standard, why Oxford?

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Cambridge medical school is bigger than its Oxford counterpart. This may be part of the reason why Oxford is harder to get into.

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peter_pan 發表於 12-11-4 12:58
Cambridge medical school is bigger than its Oxford counterpart. This may be part of the reason why O ...

Good point, ~50% higher than than Oxford.
Similar pattern in HK for social work, because of limited quota.

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It is true that high school students don't even bother to apply to Oxbridge if they are not top of the class already whereas everybody in the same age group can apply for Hong Kong kindergartens and primary schools.

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These 5 schools are well-known in the UK.

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Oxford seems to attract more applicants than Cambridge in these two undergraduate courses. I think it is reasonable to assume the standard is very similar. However, Oxford is always slightly ahead of Cambridge in terms of news headlines because of its dominance in politics. Almost all post-war British Prime Ministers went to Oxford.

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In view of what you said, a rational applicant for medicine should, other things being equal and in the absence of other factors, apply for Cambridge instead of Oxford if he has to make a choice.

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Shootastar Agreed. 發表於 12-11-5 17:48

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Never mind, it's a speculative question.
My son applied Cambridge this year, we did thorough research and made the final shot.

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Your analysis is correct and I wish your son every success. Do you mind saying which college he applied? In my experience, many HK students are very gifted but still find the interview part difficult. Last year, many students (including some from DBS - your son's school, if I remember correctly) failed to get any offer because of their poor interview performance!

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I will pm you the college.
We learn from others' mistakes, he puts more efforts on details, like personal statement, college selection, college essay, and interview preparation. School will arrange mock interviews for them by old Boys from relevant universities and programs.

Also this year, Oxford provided interview seminar for HK applicants and university counsellors shared the tips with other students. Last year, the school understated average 2 grades per student, this year may have 3 times more applicants with better grades.

I am not the interviewer, I can't comment on previous interview performance of HK applicants. 18% admission rate of HK applicants for Cambridge, but all are elites, so some boys finally got in Princeton and MBBS, it's fine.

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4eyesdad, echoing your point about prime ministers from Oxford. I read an article recently saying that not just a large percentage of prime ministers, but in fact a large percentage of Member of Parliament went to Oxford to study PPE. Cambridge's PPS pales in comparison!

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Just wondering whether it worths to spend time on studying LNAT if the child is applying for Cambridge Law?

Could anybody help?

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May I know which 5 please?

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Oxford only offeres 6 medical places for inrternational students while Cambridge offers 22 medical places for international students. The numbers (maximum) are set by law.

Unless one is the tip of the top of your cohort, he would not apply to Oxford for medicine.

On the face of the number places, Cambridge's place appears to be about 3.7 times of Oxford. However since the Singapore Government has committed a certain medical places for its nominated citizens each year, the number of places hould be less than 22.

My kids had the experience of being interviewed by Cambridge. My S applied for law with Cambridge several years ago. He was interviewed and put in the Winter pool. Unfortunately, he was rejected in mid-January. In the interview, he was asked questions arising from a court case which was given to him for reading half an hour before the interview. He was also asked some factual questions, such as who is the leading legal figure in Hong Kong who studied law at Cambridge.

My D was invited to attend an interview at Cambridge last year. There were 2 interviews, each last for 30 minutes. Each interview was conducted by 2 professors. The first interview centered on the scientific knowledge which you could answer. The second interview focused on the application of the knowledge on different scenarios. This was the most difficult part of the interview. At the end of the day, my D was rejected. However, the experience of attending an interview with Cambridge made her know what medical interview was about. It was her first medical interview. At the end of the day, she obtained offers from other UK medical schools as well as local medical schools. It is a rewarding experience to attend an interview at Cambridge although my D needed to fly to UK from HK. On the other hand, you would know that Cambridge was serious about her application.

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Shootastar 發表於 12-11-5 11:30
Oxford only offeres 6 medical places for inrternational students while Cambridge offers 22 medical p ...

Shootastar,

Where could I find the figures for the maximum number of places allocated to international students in different subjects?

I was looking at the data downloaded from the link given by 4eyesDad.  It appears that the total number of UK applicants (ie. state school applications plus independent school applications) applying to do medicine are about the same.  On the other hand, there were only 372 "other applications" for Oxford but 776 "other applications" for Cambridge.  I take it that "other applications" means non-UK applications.  I was wondering why there were so many more non-UK applicants applying to Cambridge.  Now what you told us explained why it is the case.  It is simply because Cambridge allocated more places to international students.

I also had the same query about law.  There were a total of 403 UK students applying to Cambridge and 740 UK students applying to Oxford.  On the other hand, there were 608 "other applications" for Cambridge and only 417 "other applications" for Oxford.  I guess it also had something to do with the different number of places allocated to international students.

On an entirely different note, I think this tab from the data is quite useful
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq73qj3QslDedEc0WHBEQXJTZlJwRy1KaW9LZlZjaVE#gid=4
I guess kids should aim for at least A*A*A in order to have a better chance of getting into Oxbridge.

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Oxford and Cambridge claimed that they set no limit on the number of international students they could admit except the applicants for medicine. It is because the limit imposed by the UK law that Oxford is allowed to admit 6 and Cambridge to admit 22 (maximum).

Athough they said there is no limit on the international students, I would think that for each subject, the places for international students are around 8% to 10% of the total spaces.

As to law, Oxford's class is about150 to 160 students while Cambridge admits about 200 to 220 each year. It would therefore appear that it is "more difficult" to get into Oxford law than Cambridge.

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本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-11-5 15:03 編輯

Shootastar 發表於 12-11-5 14:07
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Oxford and Cambridge claimed that they set no limit on the number of intern ...

Shootastar,
Thanks! I have one more question. Looking at the data, the number of "other acceptances" is indeed 6 for Oxford Medicine. However, for Cambridge Medicine, the number of "other acceptances" is said to be 60.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq73qj3QslDedEc0WHBEQXJTZlJwRy1KaW9LZlZjaVE#gid=2
I wonder what happened.

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