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其身不正的人，好難有說服力。

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What's your reason or comment on the Proncipal?

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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本帖最後由 motherotk 於 12-3-14 22:48 編輯

In the past, all kids were offered opportunities to enter into good schools , nowadays expecially after the educational reform, what are the schools serve for, for whose well-being?

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答案可能是: 選择好面粉, 来保证做出好味面包.

记得美国有间慈善机构开办的中小寄宿学校, 给低入息家庭, 费用全免, 星期一到五留宿, 六日会家, 不论资质,(IQ 正常), 不论十二岁孩子只有六岁阅读能力, 不论家庭背景, 申请人个个大抽签似抽六合彩, 结果是笔业生入大学是超于95%. 约干孩子还是家族历史中第一个念大学呢! 谁说读书是遗传的!

这类贫苦家庭, 除却物质, 还有不少精神和习惯的缺损, 例如爸妈吸毒, 精神病患, 滥交, 多孩, 家暴等, 让孩子在校留宿, 有温暖, 有规律, 是很重要的安排!

希望有日我们香港能建立一所真正有教无类的学校. 不要假道学!

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motherotk 選择好面粉, 来保证做出好味面包.- reflecting school value and judgment on education. 發表於 12-3-14 15:56

motherotk That's a wonderful example!! I like that! 發表於 12-3-14 15:50

ANChan59 Many parents claimed Catholic schools are.... in EK. Their favorite is LSC..... 發表於 12-3-14 00:25

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Extract from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocesan_Boys'_School
The Millennium

Lai retired in August 2000, and Terence Chang, an old boy and then-headmaster at the Jockey Club Ti-I College, took over the reins in September 2000.

On 4 October 2002, the School Committee decided to join the Direct Subsidy Scheme (DSS) with effect from September 2003. The application was accepted by the then Education and Manpower Bureau in March 2003,[19] making it the third Anglican school to join the DSS.

Throughout 2002, the DSS was fiercely debated within the school. While Chang was highly in favour of joining the scheme,[20] some students and most teachers opposed the scheme fiercely, fearing it would deprive children from less well-off families of the opportunity to attend DBS and change its education for all tradition. Old boys were slightly inclined towards the DSS, while the school claimed that parents were in favour, though the school's findings have since been criticised as biased.[21]

After a 35 year hiatus, it was decided to found and built a primary school on the School campus. The project was wholly financed and undertaken by the government as part of the deal that saw DBS join the DSS.[22] The primary school, known as the Diocesan Boys' School Primary Division (DBSPD) had its first (partial) intake of students in 2004. It further expanded its intake with students aged between 6 and 12 in 2005.

20.  Terence Chang, Why Direct Subsidy Scheme? SCMP 16 March 2003

21.  Fung Y.W. and Chan-Yeung M.W., To Serve and To Lead – A History of the Diocesan Boy's School Hong Kong p.149-152

22.  DBS School Committee minutes 10 November 1998

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From 2004 onward, EDB changed the from 5 bands to 3 bands. May match Annie40's "Flour theory".

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motherotk whatever reasons and whatever history on this school, I see the outcome and the recent development reflecting their values of education... 發表於 12-3-14 15:52

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本帖最後由 motherotk 於 12-3-14 23:39 編輯

Missionaries came to HK originally serve stree kids or kids without education opportunities...I remembered those "sisters" in my old school, they did have a mission to serve...? Not easy for school to stand firm!! PTAs are very powerful right now. My experience in those schools I experienced- they influence school policy within a small circle, without consultations to other parents, based on their own interests. Of course I also see some PTAs with parents really care about kids and school development. Case studies only, not statistically significant!! Yet reprent part of the realities of the world.

My point of view: some are "A small group caring about personal interest"!!

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Don't shoot the messenger, i just help you to search some info about the decision 10 years ago. I can't reply to your remark due to the program.

I appreciated your ethical belief, you should addressed your frustration against the decision maker(s) - creation of DSS for left-wing schools (King Arthur and Fanny Law), school committee (2002), PTA (2002). After decision being made, we should play by the rule. As parents, we shouldn't pointing fingers against other parents or the kids who don't make those decisions. Right?
I know some parents said similar comments before, but their kids are in DSS, ESF and IS....... even in LS, such comments won't make them superior. I guess you will support my point........

Declare of interest - I am not an old boy and not in the PTA in 2002, my son study in DBS from 2007.

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motherotk Declare of interest - I am not any "wing" at all. 發表於 12-3-14 23:32

motherotk My point of view: PTA do not represent most parents of the school - of course from my point of view, not statistically significant. 發表於 12-3-14 22:15

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本帖最後由 motherotk 於 12-3-14 23:39 編輯

I hope more schools, especially those founded by missionaries or government or NGOs can offer equal opportunities to all kids.

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本帖最後由 motherotk 於 12-3-14 23:58 編輯

Back to the discussion of the post:

眼見本港「港孩」近年明顯增加，有中學生連執拾書包、做功課都依賴別人幫忙，令他深感可惜，建議家長多給子女空間，讓他們自行嘗試及發揮所長。

He is right! Yet, there are also lots of kids that are not "protected" by parents, with more independent thinking. This is a good reminder...

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老吾老以及人之老幼吾幼以及人之幼, 如果爱会满泻, 多出的能分给贫缺的人就好了!