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發表於 10-11-7 18:38 |只看該作者 |倒序瀏覽 |打印
"局長孫明揚迫使Band1學生分流至Band2學校......"

Let me know if there is a facebook group for this, I definitely would join to show my support. If we ,parents don't voice out for our children now, who will help them, just can't stand this useless govt's policy anymore!!!!!
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發表於 10-11-7 20:44 |只看該作者
原帖由 MountainView 於 10-11-7 18:38 發表
"局長孫明揚迫使Band1學生分流至Band2學校......"


Why you say so?

Mr. Suen's explanation is confusing, after more clarification from other headmasters, I understand the ground a bit more.

As lower birth rate in the last decade, less students supply and they need to cut some classes. They have the logic that students also equally divided into 3 bands, so they would like to cut classes across 3 bands and not not just band 3. They worry just cut band 3 classes or even schools, so eventually band 3 students will be forced into band 2 schools, eventually band 3 kids in band 2 is mismatching, also apply to band 2 students mismatching with band 1 school.

My understanding is totally opposite to your view. Personally, I didn't support the move but I understand the ground.

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發表於 10-11-7 21:55 |只看該作者
十分支持你的說法, 香港這些不知所為的教育制度,真是令家長無奈

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發表於 10-11-7 22:32 |只看該作者
原帖由 多啦小生 於 10-11-7 21:55 發表
十分支持你的說法, 香港這些不知所為的教育制度,真是令家長無奈


實在是家長和教師自私,為個人利益行先,
還是穩固香港教育制道為先.
假如有一天,一間英中收學生大部份是band2生,而你的子女
是band1頭,你還會選這校嗎,
這校最終輪為band2中中.
所以學校是應從三個組別和學生人數決定加班或縮班.

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發表於 10-11-7 22:40 |只看該作者

回覆 4# cckalex 的文章

I am so glad to find one sensible parents here on this topic.

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發表於 10-11-8 07:56 |只看該作者
原帖由 cckalex 於 10-11-7 22:32 發表


實在是家長和教師自私,為個人利益行先,
還是穩固香港教育制道為先.
假如有一天,一間英中收學生大部份是band2生,而你的子女
是band1頭,你還會選這校嗎,
這校最終輪為band2中中.
所以學校是應從三個組別和學生人數決 ...


我女間中學都落實左CUT 班
校長同D 家長講, 呢個做法佢地讚同
因為, 吾會有D BAND 2 生靠運氣LOOK 入去, D 老師教得好幸苦, 以前之為拔尖班, 依家要有埋補底班, 影響左佢地的老師資源, 同埋學生質素
而呢個我都好認同
因為呀女果班, 坐佢隔離位個女仔, 就真係靠運條LOOK 入去, 之前全級考吾前名次(普通津校), 係我女小學已經算係BAND 2生, 科科上堂都聽吾明老師講乜(英中), 堂堂之後都問呀女老師講乜

連默書, QUIZ 都吾合格..............中英數3科都要上補底班

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發表於 10-11-8 13:56 |只看該作者
好明顯收生不足的學校是較不受家長歡迎.  較受家長歡迎的學校年年都爭崩頭.  雖說brand 2 學生有機會碌入brand 1學校.  但如果你是家長, 你會希望自己的小朋友碌入較受歡迎的學校, 俾個機會給小朋友係中學發力追 or 縮班派間派到都唔想讀的學校. 大家都係為自己小朋友著想, 點可以話係家長的自私?  其實教育處是否是時候想想將資助學校的錢轉為直接資助學生.  等家長/學生想讀邊間就考邊間.  學校收得就唔會錯配.  慢慢就會汰弱留强.  
要知道我地做得唔好都俾老細炒魷魚.  我地又深深明白教育的重要性. 點解我地而家要用自己寶貝的小朋友, 人生非常重要的階段去維護教育政策的失誤?

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發表於 10-11-8 14:00 |只看該作者
"局長孫明揚迫使Band1學生分流至Band2學校......"


在香港,学校沒有banding之分。所以,任何政策,不會將Band1學生分流至Band2学校。例如,政府殺曬之所謂band1学校(例如,皇仁之類),band1学生湧到原本的所謂band2学校,此学校也會升格為band1。

但話分两頭。雖云沒有band1, band2, band3学校之分,但在家長眼中,的的确确有最好、好好、好、幾好,不過不失,唔太差、差、好差、勁差...的学校。每個家長,都希望升到更好的学校,例如,原本只有機會升華仁的,今年因而有機會升皇仁。原本可能會派去區內最差的学校而担心死的家張,今年可放下心頭大石。但孫公之措施,令家長好梦成空,唔氣頂就假。

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發表於 10-11-8 14:15 |只看該作者
I understand we do need some changes to fix the upcoming low birth rate situation, but don't just roll out some plan and then apply to all schools without much thinking at all. Banding mismatch is caused by the lucky draw method, fix that. Cutting class esp in those good schools , you are cutting the opportunities from students. Think about there are 200 seats before, now, only 160.

I just believe good schools should have enough  seats to students to learn, even students are band2 or end of band1, so what, they get in and learn in good environment, who knows, they may be at top again....

Anyway, I just hope the govt can give more thoughts before changing anything. As a parent, we are always forced to follow, children are suffered.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-11-7 20:44 發表


Why you say so?

Mr. Suen's explanation is confusing, after more clarification from other headmasters, I understand the ground a bit more.

As lower birth rate in the last decade, less students supp ...

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發表於 10-11-8 14:17 |只看該作者
Totally agree!!!

原帖由 MLMaMa 於 10-11-8 13:56 發表
好明顯收生不足的學校是較不受家長歡迎.  較受家長歡迎的學校年年都爭崩頭.  雖說brand 2 學生有機會碌入brand 1學校.  但如果你是家長, 你會希望自己的小朋友碌入較受歡迎的學校, 俾個機會給小朋友係中學發力追 or  ...

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發表於 10-11-8 14:23 |只看該作者
"band1学生湧到原本的所謂band2学校,此学校也會升格為band1。" >> why the school is band2, because of the students or actually because of the school itself? It really depends. But to my view, the case can be "band1学生湧到所謂band2学校 and their competitiveness becomes band2"

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發表於 10-11-8 14:50 |只看該作者
實在是家長和教師自私,為個人利益行先,
還是穩固香港教育制道為先.


作為家長,我一向承認自己自私。我會為孩子選最好的学校,其他学校倒唔倒閉關我咩事呢?正如到街市,我只會選新鮮的蔬果(在這里,不知有沒有人為帮某些商販生意,而專買壞東西呢?)。我相信,街市商販也是自私自利的。但未有聽說信譽不好的公司,迫令市民按比例買一斤鮮果搭半斤爛菜。

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發表於 10-11-8 15:10 |只看該作者
Mr. Suen's scenario:
Less students, still divided students into 3 bands and cut all bands simultaneously to ensure banding matching among schools and students.

Parents scenario:
Our kids are band 2 or 3 (I assume band 1 parents won't compalin much, unless low band 1), cut band 3 only and our kids can roll to band 1 & 2 by chance.

Eventually, now only have three bands and create some problems in classroom due to wider spectrum of student's ability cf 5 bands in the past.

Personally, I don't trust EDB from day one. If they tell us to go left, I will turn right. E.g. Mr. Suen sells NSS, my son will go for IB. I also had the same feeling like most parents here on class cutting, EDB wrong again........??

I am not biased EDB, I just voice out the logic behind EDB and parents.

Even Cheung Man Kwong not say much on this, just focus on small class learning, they know teachers and students will suffer finally if only cut band 3 classes. PTU knows the game thoroughly, they will gather political assets if they support parents, but why not this time?

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發表於 10-11-8 15:14 |只看該作者

回覆 8# judy 的文章

You are right, EDB's initial announcement provide a false hope to parents.

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發表於 10-11-8 15:29 |只看該作者
Banding of school comes from the % of students they take in different bandings, so banding of school will vary from year to year.

As such, from the so-called "band 1" schools' standpoint, if no. of band 1 students decrease proportionally with the total no. of students, they have to cut one class in order to keep their status as band 1.

Below info. from Sing Tao by April 2010:
在新學年進行「自願優化班級結構計畫」的申請於今日截止。據本報統計,最少有三所英中,包括聖類斯中學、聖母書院及東區一所英中,均有意在今年九月參加「自願優化班級結構計畫」。受「微調」政策影響,新學年須開辦一班雙語班的聖類斯中學,已表示希望通過減班方案,維持學校全英語授課。
博愛醫院歷屆總理聯誼會梁省德中學校長雷其昌表示,「五減一」方案除紓緩人口不足問題及優化教學外,亦為個別希望達至全英語教學的學校提供機會....

[ 本帖最後由 WYmom 於 10-11-8 15:30 編輯 ]

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發表於 10-11-8 15:33 |只看該作者
...點解佢地自己唔諗吓自己點解會比人殺校? 唔去檢討自己既問題, 反而要人幫佢解決. 枉為人師表


原帖由 judy 於 10-11-8 14:50 發表


作為家長,我一向承認自己自私。我會為孩子選最好的学校,其他学校倒唔倒閉關我咩事呢?正如到街市,我只會選新鮮的蔬果(在這里,不知有沒有人為帮某些商販生意,而專買壞東西呢?)。我相信,街市商販也是自私自利的。但未有聽說信 ...

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發表於 10-11-8 15:42 |只看該作者

回覆 15# WYmom 的文章

The Island East school should be Cheung Chuk Shan College.

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發表於 10-11-8 15:56 |只看該作者
點解佢地自己唔諗吓自己點解會比人殺校? 唔去檢討自己既問題, 反而要人幫佢解決. 枉為人師表  


在外國,可能有政府會監督学校,大差的,真會殺咗佢。在香港,沒有殺校,总之,band1学生先選,選剩的,輪到band2,最後,點差都好,band3生要咗佢。

香港嘅問題,係少咗学生。少咗学生,自然有学校冇人選佢(或極少人選)。冇人讀嘅学校,仲係唔係学校?停止運作是理所當然的。

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發表於 10-11-8 16:15 |只看該作者
如果唔cut班, banding mismatch會更嚴重

原帖由 MountainView 於 10-11-8 14:15 發表
I understand we do need some changes to fix the upcoming low birth rate situation, but don't just roll out some plan and then apply to all schools without much thinking at all. Banding mismatch is cau ...

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發表於 10-11-8 16:17 |只看該作者
Good Point~!!

原帖由 judy 於 10-11-8 15:56 發表


在外國,可能有政府會監督学校,大差的,真會殺咗佢。在香港,沒有殺校,总之,band1学生先選,選剩的,輪到band2,最後,點差都好,band3生要咗佢。

香港嘅問題,係少咗学生。少咗学生,自然有学校冇人選佢(或極少人選)。冇人讀嘅学校,仲係 ...
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