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TINGMUM

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Dear all,

如果二年級轉主修法文可行嗎?  你的身邊有沒有例子? 是否會追得好辛苦?  你地意見如何, 可否分享? 想收集意見及資料後盡快向學校申請, 謝謝!
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TINGMUM,

I assume the reason behind your thought is that it may be a bit hard for your son to catch up the Chinese subject.
Yes, it is indeed not easy for some kids to master a good level of Chinese when compared to English.
However, assuming your son had no background in learning French before, it may also be difficult for him to catch up the French subject as well if he will become a French student.

If both subjects (Chinese and French) are not easy for him, perhaps it is still worth spending more efforts in catching up the Chinese in case your son will still live/work in HK/China 20-30 years later when we can expect Chinese to be a very important language in the world no matter in the business or in any other fields.
Perhaps you may even know some foreign friends who can speak perfect Mandarin and they have also sent their children to Beijing/China to learn some Chinese up to certain level.

The above is just my personal opinion.
Please listen to more comments from other TSL parents, especially those who have their children studying in the school as French students.




原帖由 TINGMUM 於 09-6-25 12:17 發表

Dear all,

如果二年級轉主修法文可行嗎?  你的身邊有沒有例子? 是否會追得好辛苦?  你地意見如何, 可否分享? 想收集意見及資料後盡快向學校申請, 謝謝! ...

[ 本帖最後由 principal 於 09-6-25 18:38 編輯 ]

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TINGMUM

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　principal，

你的意見正中下懷，　亦是我猶豫的原因．

唔認識小一，　小二的ｆｒｅｎｃｈ　ｓｔｕｄｅｎｔｓ
真不知佢地的進度如何？
在學習上是否會有困難？

我ｐｒｉｎｔ了ｆｒｅｎｃｈ　ｗ／ｓ　叫仔仔試做，
說如做得o.k.會幫他轉,
今日在一日內他己完成上學期的ｆｒｅｎｃｈ　ｗ／ｓ，
他說下學期的有些ｗ／ｓ　同ｂａｓｉｃ　ｆｒｅｎｃｈ　一樣，
單從表面睇, 似乎只讀basic french而又從沒有補過習的他,
亦可以應付大多french student 的w/s.
問題是, 如將來遇到困難, 我幫唔到.

我都唔知學校ｆｒｅｎｃｈ　ｓｔｕｄｅｎｔｓ除ｗ／ｓ，書和w/b,
還有什麼？
唔知出邊買唔買到ｗ／ｂ做？

如有小朋友係ｆｒｅｎｃｈ　ｓｔｕｄｅｎｔ，　請比多ｄ資料我，　
等我知多d,可以早些下決定!

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principal

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TINGMUM,

You may be relieved somewhat if you see your son can handle some French worksheets better than the Chinese worksheets and you think he can get better academic results in French subject and may have much stronger confidence in mastering this language over Chinese.

However, is it necessary to think over what he will need for his long-term growth?

If you think Chinese language is quite important for him, you and your son may need to suffer from some short-term pains in order to get some long-term gains.

Think twice before you take action!!

Hope other TSL parents can also share their thoughts with you soon.




原帖由 TINGMUM 於 09-6-25 22:07 發表

　principal，

你的意見正中下懷，　亦是我猶豫的原因．

唔認識小一，　小二的ｆｒｅｎｃｈ　ｓｔｕｄｅｎｔｓ
真不知佢地的進度如何？
在學習上是否會有困難？

我ｐｒｉｎｔ了ｆｒｅｎｃｈ　ｗ／ｓ　叫仔仔試做，
說如做得o.k.會幫他轉,
今日在一日內他己完成上學期的ｆｒｅｎｃｈ　ｗ／ｓ，
他說下學期的有 ...

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moyan

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同老師相量吓, 高年級的法文都唔易應付
我同事的仔仔都請了法文補習老師
好貴
中文自己可教吓, 但法文.......
况且大陸有好多發展機會
中文唔好可能將來會麻煩dd

中學的選擇都要諗吓

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flostangraphy

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hello tingmun,
i have a opposite thinking, base on our family situation, i have advises that it will be more safe if i apply our elder son at the french stream...
however, after the open day and talked more in depth with the teachers... i have commit with my wife that it may be much better to apply him in the chinese stream instead.
1/ the french level at hk french stream primary school (DBS, TSL, SMC...) other than french international school is very easy (maybe too easy... in our case).
2/ however, the chinese level in french stream is very low!!!! if i didn't get it wrong, the chinese level of P6 in french stream is only P3 level in the local stream....
therefore, i'm really concern about the secondary school life, with such chinese level....
my thinking for my son is that even if he is not good in chinese... i hope that he will not worse than P3 level in chinese when he finish P6....
but if i put him in the french stream.... then his chinese will be at best only P3 level....
but it's just our case.... and we are not even in any primary school yet.... not sure if it helps you...  
"Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn't matter to me.... Going to bed at night saying we've done something wonderful... that's what matters to me."
    -Steve Jobs-

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flostangraphy

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by the way, for the french work book, if you need any infos, i can consult my wife about that.

原帖由 TINGMUM 於 25/6/2009 22:07 發表
　principal，

你的意見正中下懷，　亦是我猶豫的原因．

唔認識小一，　小二的ｆｒｅｎｃｈ　ｓｔｕｄｅｎｔｓ
真不知佢地的進度如何？
在學習上是否會有困難？

我ｐｒｉｎｔ了ｆｒｅｎｃｈ　ｗ／ｓ　叫仔仔試做，
說如做得o.k.會幫他轉,
今日在一日內他己完成上學期的ｆｒｅｎｃｈ　ｗ／ｓ，
他說下學期的有 ...
"Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn't matter to me.... Going to bed at night saying we've done something wonderful... that's what matters to me."
    -Steve Jobs-

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TINGMUM

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Moyan& principal,

我的鄰居是法文老師, 今日起會每星期幫仔仔補2堂法文,當是暑假班, 又可以睇下進度如何.  補法文係貴, 中文補習費亦唔弱.

你講得岩,我係想佢成績好d, 不會咁自卑, 我又會輕鬆d, 所以才有"轉"呢個想法.

我老公說,"唔好轉, 法文可以照補,發展興趣", 他亦覺得學好中文好重要, 成日說讀得幾多係幾多. 最後都補充一句"你話事, 決定了就不要後悔!"  我面對的現實係, 如中英數三科主科, 其中一科唔合格, 都好影響升中. 個大女成績其實o.k., 只是被中文科拖累, 所以心中有數升中選擇唔多, 我心裹己打定輸數要送她去外地升學. 真不想個仔又係咁!  當初入tsl 的目的其實係想個仔學好中英文, 咁快放棄中文又好可惜, 但又怕升到高年班時仲係追唔到, 到時想轉又太遲了. 所以而家個心其實好矛盾!

我都好自責, 見學校個個小朋友都好o.k, 我的很exceptional, 我這個做媽媽的真有好多不足之處!

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TINGMUM

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flostangraphy ,

多謝你的意見! 你的想法亦是我未入tsl 前的想法.  我同老公都是中國人,中文是母語, 孩子讀中文己是理所當然的事!  以前從沒有想過放棄.......

仔仔很喜歡中文老師,so far 中文黙書大多都是90至滿分, 因為只要肯溫書便可以高分(代價是人地花兩晚時間溫, 輕輕鬆鬆, 我地則要花成個星期時間溫,  小朋友同大人都很累, 而其他科相對就疏忽了).考試的閱讀理解, listening等是冇得溫, 好睇孩子平時的底同功力. 考得低分, 自己就自然形成了自卑心理. 家長又有壓力, 因為要輔導佢的心理, 同時又要引導佢對學習發生興趣!  另一考慮是成績差會影響升中.

你如想讀中文,可以早些去書店買本中文閱讀理解, 明白程度後早些為仔仔作準備.  :loveliness:

另補充一句, 如果我係你, 一定會選做french student. 孩子同大人都舒服好多!

我的case不同, 是兩頭唔到岸, 法文我教唔到, 中文佢又追唔到, 所以我要盡快決定, 好好地利用個summer holiday追進度.

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principal

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TINGMUM,

I share the same views as your husband's.   Keep your son in the Chinese stream and learn basic French just as an interest.   

1)        We can imagine that it will be a very painful process to both you and your son to catch up in Chinese subject gradually.   However, as your son is only in P1, he still has some time to catch up.   Try to comfort/encourage him at times of receiving not so good academic results and explain to him that Chinese language is very important for him in future and a lot of foreign kids are trying to learn it by all means all over the world.   It is a pity if a Chinese kid cannot master Chinese language up to at least working level.  Once he can pick up Chinese subject gradually, he will not feel lack of interest in it.   As for the academic results, tell him not to mind that so much for the time being.   As long as he can promote to the next grade, the academic results do not mean anything.   Despite he may not be very good in Chinese at this moment, he may be quite good in English, French or other subjects.


2)        As for the S1 allocation system, if you do not aim for very top schools in HK, you do not need to worry too much as there are a lot of DSS secondary schools now and some schools do not look at solely academic results as their admission criteria.   Instead, they will assess each applicant’s overall potential such as extra-curricular activities, sports, music, and so on.   A bit weak in Chinese subject is not the end of the world.


3)        Your husband is absolutely right in saying
”讀得幾多得幾多”.  If your children can learn 50% of Chinese, they get at least 50%.    If they can get 70-80%, it will be bonus for them.   
With such mind-set, you may not need to worry too much.



Therefore, please do not give up so early.   As I said last night, you and your son may need to suffer from some short-term pains in order to get some long-term gains.
Make very good use of this long long summer holiday to catch up.

Also, please do not try to compare.    You think your son is weak in Chinese.   May be in the same classroom, there could be another parent thinking why his/her child’s English/Maths is so weak.    The important thing is to set the goals for yourself and your children and then go for it.

All of us will support you psychologically.   
Cheer up!!   




原帖由 TINGMUM 於 09-6-26 11:27 發表

Moyan& principal,

我的鄰居是法文老師, 今日起會每星期幫仔仔補2堂法文,當是暑假班, 又可以睇下進度如何.  補法文係貴, 中文補習費亦唔弱.

你講得岩,我係想佢成績好d, 不會咁自卑, 我又會輕鬆d, 所以才有" ...

[ 本帖最後由 principal 於 09-7-10 11:15 編輯 ]

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Tingmum,
Bon Courage!!!
"Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn't matter to me.... Going to bed at night saying we've done something wonderful... that's what matters to me."
    -Steve Jobs-

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Tingmum,
I echo to Principal's comments.
1) I see that for the coming 20 years, China is and will be one of the leading countries. Knowing Chinese is one of the big asset for the kids.
2) I think you concern about the low mark of Chinese subject versus the other subjects. But putting in another angle, your son started to learn Chinese this year (if I understand correctly, he studied in international school in the past years) and so compared to our kids who studied in traditional kindergarten, he already performs very well. The most important is to compare himself not to the others. As long
as you observe that he is improving, I agree with what Principal mentioned, it is just short pain. Remember the learning journey is a long long way..
Hope this help.

原帖由 flostangraphy 於 09-6-26 13:27 發表
Tingmum,
Bon Courage!!!

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TINGMUM

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heidikl, principal and flostangraphy,

Thanks for all of your valuable comments.  And thanks for the parent who sent me the P2 French materials by email.  All of yours rational opinions did help me a lot.

After I discussed the issue with my husband again last night, we decided to let my boy stay in Chinese group in P2. Let us try one more year and see what happen. When I told my boy about my decision, he answered "whatever la,  I just want you to be happy". What a sweet talk!  

Today, when I asked him to do some chinese w/s, he said if  I promise to buy him a new transformer --- Bumble bee.......

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TINGMUM,

Glad to hear that you have made a wise decision.

You should be very happy after hearing your son’s response last night.   
He is so mature and caring for your feeling.  
At the same time, he is a very smart boy with very good bargaining power.  

Think of the following scene 18 years later when you shall attend your son’s graduation ceremony at XYZ University.

“Thank you, mami.  Thanks for encouraging me to study Chinese when I was young.  Now I can use Mandarin to communicate with my schoolmates and professors from the Mainland effectively.  I am also very pleased to tell you that I won the inter-university competition last week by writing a proposal in Chinese in thousands of words”.

When you think of this scene over and over again, I am sure you will have adequate impetus in guiding your son to study the Chinese subject well in the time to come.   



原帖由 TINGMUM 於 09-6-27 16:22 發表

heidikl, principal and flostangraphy,

Thanks for all of your valuable comments.  And thanks for the parent who sent me the P2 French materials by email.  All of yours rational opinions did help me a  ...

[ 本帖最後由 principal 於 09-7-12 19:09 編輯 ]

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TINGMUM

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so touching!


I am looking forward to seeing the day comes!  

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Today, 4th July, US Independence Day...
Look forward to see our Kids' Independence Day
comes as well...


原帖由 TINGMUM 於 28/6/2009 10:37 發表
so touching!


I am looking forward to seeing the day comes!  
"Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn't matter to me.... Going to bed at night saying we've done something wonderful... that's what matters to me."
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原帖由 TINGMUM 於 09-6-25 12:17 發表
Dear all,

如果二年級轉主修法文可行嗎?  你的身邊有沒有例子? 是否會追得好辛苦?  你地意見如何, 可否分享? 想收集意見及資料後盡快向學校申請, 謝謝! ...


不好意思, 很久沒有上這裡, 今天才看到你的問題, 或者我可以講一下囡囡的情況給你參考.

我囡囡是在三年級才開始學法文的, 主要原因是我們一家是從外地回流.

她是從零開始學法文, 相對其他 Non-Chinese 同學, 囡囡等於少學了兩年, 故此起初真的非常担心; 期間去了佐敦的法國文化協會差不多一年, 但效果不太好, 相信主要原因是班中人數比較多, 老師投放在個別小朋友的時間會很少的原因吧! 後來搵到一間補習社, 基本上是一對一學習, 在大半年期間見到有一定的進步, 起碼最近的默書, 測驗, 考試等都合格了, 甚至試過有 80 幾分, 作為一個不大施加壓力的家長, 我是非常非常的開心了, 最重要是她亦很喜歡法文.

有一點必須要說的是, 學校提供了極佳的幫助, 特別在第一年(即入學三年級)時, 老師在 Class period 花時間獨自教囡囡法文, 這樣有愛心的老師是學生的幸福, 真的很多謝該老師.

相信小朋友的學習能力非常的強, 故此不用太在意是否追得上; 個人認為轉法文與否反而應該考慮日後出路問題, 以我囡囡作為 Non-Chinese 學生為例, 由於中文水平真的不好, 故此升中時的選擇會少了很多; 再日後中學會考時同樣問題會再出現一次.

希望可以給你作參考, 祝健康, 平安.
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有一些個人意見和大家探討一下:

我在澳洲讀中六時(1980年), 因為想在大學入學試拉高分數, 於是星期六去另一間中學報讀中文, 班上有大約三十名學生, 只有兩個是中國人(我和另一位已移民到香港的印尼華僑), 其他都是澳洲人!

作為一個標準的香港人, 本來以為中文對我來說是沒有難度, 怎料原來是以普通話上課 (相信在 30 年前普通話在香港絕對不普通), 故此在班上幾十人當中, 聽和說我是全班最差的一個! 眼見同班鬼仔鬼妹字正腔圓的讀課文, 自己心裡真的不是味兒.

其實我想說甚麼呢?  幾十年前的中國相信大家都應該知道是什麼樣子吧, 貧窮, 落後, 封閉, 極端共產主義.............等等, 從來沒有人可以想像得到中國會有今天的成績, 但為何會有一班年青的外國學生讀中文呢? 原來主要原因多數都是喜歡或嚮往中國文化, 要了解一個國家的文化, 最徹底莫如學其語言.  他們當年學中文, 並沒有預知中國的今天.

今日, 無時無刻都聽到人說未來多少年都會是中國的世界..........Sorry, I don't give a shit!

作為中國人, 當然希望子女的中文水平能夠達到心中所定的程度, 這是理解的, 亦是應該的; 但如果說今天學中文是因為未來二三十年中國在國際間的影響力, 今天學中文是因為未來二三十年都要靠中國賺錢, 這種所謂有遠見的思維其實非常短視.  誰可以肯定的說未來不會有另一個國家掘起, 甚至中國本身的政治不穩定問題亦有機會令國家陷入長期衰退.............

語言是用作溝通, 不是賺錢; 我理解上面一位家長所講, P6 時只有 P3 的中文水平可能不好受, 小女亦正正出現這個問題; 但如果小朋友喜歡另一種語言, 何不接受呢!  說不定某種語言對小朋友的未來有著更大的發揮.

以上的論調可能不是多數家長所接受, 每個人或家庭都有自己的價值觀.  個人認為中文是重要的, 但不是必要的 (重要的是要 understanding, 不是必要的是無須要 mastering), 所以囡囡日後可以在日常生活中說, 聽, 讀和寫中文便收貨.

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DaddyCool,

Yes, you have just provided us another point of view in considering this subject.

What you predict to happen 20-30 years later could be possible.

There is no absolute right or wrong judgement in this discussion.
It’s just that different people may have different points of view.




原帖由 DaddyCool 於 09-7-7 15:13 發表

有一些個人意見和大家探討一下:

我在澳洲讀中六時(1980年), 因為想在大學入學試拉高分數, 於是星期六去另一間中學報讀中文, 班上有大約三十名學生, 只有兩個是中國人(我和另一位已移民到香港的印尼華僑), 其他都是 ...

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我沒有能力預測未來幾十年將會發生什麼事, 只不過極多的中國人或香港人認為未來會由中國主導世界的想法是太過理想當然而已.

其實我想講的是應該由小朋友出發, 而並非一定要將我們今天認為對的硬套在小朋友身上. 作為囡囡的父親, 我一直強調她要有一套正面而又可以影響她一生的價值觀, 這比在學科上所得的成績更為重要.

小朋友又聽話又讀到書是每個家長的最大希望, 但我最想是女兒會有自己的理想.  

個人認為 Tingmum 要認真的好好和小朋友討論, 更不要因為食古不化的思想而抺殺了小朋友的意願; 轉讀法文不等於放棄中文, 但中文不好的確會有若干問題, 例如升中的選擇一定會少得多, 這亦是我將會面對的問題.

Good luck !

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