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相信各位家長都希望為子女找一位好鋼琴老師，不過，如果鋼琴老師話佢有演奏級，你地都要問清楚老師係哪個演奏級。一般來說有以下的級數(細項由低至高)。
1)Trinity Guildhall (聖三一音樂學院)
--Performers' Certificate / Advanced Certificate
--ATCL
--LTCL
--FTCL
2) ABRSM (皇家音樂學院)
--DipABRSM
--LRSM
--FRSM
3) 畢業於大學音樂系 BA (Music)/BMus (Hons.)
(不過，有D畢業生只得八級鋼琴，問清楚)
4) Master of Arts (Music)/ Master of
music /Master of performance

*教師既資歷當然與學費成正比，Qualification越高，學費當然未必收得平。無理由一個持有LTCL、LRSM，什至FTCL，或攞左music degree既老師，唔會願意收琴行價(所謂大眾化價錢)，因為佢地之前付出不論金錢、時間或努力都實在太多。

Diploma考試(家長口中的演奏級)資料可流灠下列網址：
www.abrsm.org/?page=exams/index.html
www.trinitycollege.com.hk/

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你指的Advanced Cert 係咪10多年前那張, 應該係Royal School 的考試, 等同而家的DipABRSM. 我兩邊的考試都考過唔少, 都有張十幾年前的Advanced Cert, 呢張Cert 同DipABRSM 一樣都係可以報LRSM.

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絕對認同, 實在太多太多家長同學生用所謂琴行價來衡量Diploma and Music Graduate 以上的老師. 付出和收獲某程度上應成正比的, 希望學生和家長都明白.

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想請教下ABRSM (皇家音樂學院)以下ne3級考試,是否再分2個category,可否略加解釋其分別,thanks!

--DipABRSM
--LRSM
--FRSM

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schubertbb,
我所指的Advanced Cert 唔係10多年前那張，是Trinity明年會取代Performers' Cert那張.

原帖由 schubertbb 於 08-12-9 23:28 發表
你指的Advanced Cert 係咪10多年前那張, 應該係Royal School 的考試, 等同而家的DipABRSM. 我兩邊的考試都考過唔少, 都有張十幾年前的Advanced Cert, 呢張Cert 同DipABRSM 一樣都係可以報LRSM. ...

[ 本帖最後由 Henrika 於 08-12-10 19:55 編輯 ]

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violetching,
如果簡單講，DipABRSM係Diploma的所謂最初級，但比Trinity的Performers' Cert/Advanced Cert (明年的新名)難考得多，LRSM係第二難,而FRSM當然係相當難啦!!除左樂曲有別之外，評分標準、演奏時限、quick study及viva voce等等的難度都不同。

原帖由 violetching 於 08-12-9 23:38 發表
想請教下ABRSM (皇家音樂學院)以下ne3級考試,是否再分2個category,可否略加解釋其分別,thanks!
--DipABRSM
--LRSM
--FRSM

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Dear Henrika,

Thank you very much, but what I want to know more about is the following instead:(copy from ABRSM Website)

The Diploma Syllabus offers a range of assessments for musicians beyond Grade 8. There are three subject-lines:

Music Performance
Music Direction
Instrumental/ Vocal Teaching

For each subject-line there are three levels of award:

DipABRSM (Diploma of The Associated Board of the Royal Schools of Music)
LRSM (Licentiate of the Royal Schools of Music
FRSM (Fellowship of the Royal Schools of Music)

What I mean is the difference between the three subject lines, thanks again.

原帖由 Henrika 於 08-12-10 19:24 發表
violetching,
如果簡單講，DipABRSM係Diploma的所謂最初級，但比Trinity的Performers' Cert/Advanced Cert (明年的新名)難考得多，LRSM係第二難,而FRSM當然係相當難啦!!除左樂曲有別之外，評分標準、演奏時限、quick study及 ...

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violetching,
Sorry, but I know what you mean now. I would like to talk about the difference between Music Performance and Instrumental / vocal teaching first.
The performance diploma is to examine your performance skills as a confident performer. As well as demonstrating good technique in different music style.
Teaching diploma is exmanie your teaching skill and to demonstrate current graded exam repertoire with different level.
In my opinion, good piano players would choose Music Performance diploma because it is a great challenge, or it is a dream for good piano players to have this diploma. On the other hand, graduates studied padagogy in university before, it's no need for them to have this exam.
For Music Direction, this exam is for a director or conductor, examine them how to accomondate different kinds of ensemble, such as a band or choir.
Hope I can ans your questions.:)

原帖由 violetching 於 08-12-10 20:16 發表
Dear Henrika,

Thank you very much, but what I want to know more about is the following instead:(copy from ABRSM Website)

The Diploma Syllabus offers a range of assessments for musicians beyond Grade ...

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Dear Henrika,

Thank you, but still a litttle bit confuse about:

In my opinion, good piano players would choose Music Performance diploma because it is a great challenge, or it is a dream for good piano players to have this diploma. On the other hand, graduates studied padagogy in university before, it's no need for them to have this exam.

Do you mean, if you are graduated with a degree of Music, then you will be awarded that Diploma automatically.

Million thanks for your reply.

原帖由 Henrika 於 08-12-10 21:22 發表
violetching,
Sorry, but I know what you mean now. I would like to talk about the difference between Music Performance and Instrumental / vocal teaching first.
The performance diploma is to examine y ...

[ 本帖最後由 violetching 於 08-12-10 22:04 編輯 ]

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Dear violetching,
Let's take myself as an example. I chose music performance because I want to show my ability to play the repertoire which is in performance level.

You said,"Do you mean, if you are graduated with a degree of Music, then you will be awarded that Diploma automatically" The answer is NO. In my point of view, if teachers studied pedagogy before, they need NOT to have a diploma to prove their teaching ability.

One more example, one of my friends said that, the reason why she chose teaching diploma is she don't have ability and confidence to play the repertoire which is in performance level.

原帖由 violetching 於 08-12-10 21:58 發表
Dear Henrika,

Thank you, but still a litttle bit confuse about:

In my opinion, good piano players would choose Music Performance diploma because it is a great challenge, or it is a dream for good pi ...

[ 本帖最後由 Henrika 於 08-12-10 22:59 編輯 ]

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原帖由 Henrika 於 08-12-10 22:17 發表
Dear violetching,
Let's take myself as an example. I chose music performance because I want to show my ability to play the repertoire which is in performance level. Teaching diploma only takes 40-60mi ...

如果你咁講 "Teaching diploma only takes 40-60mins to show your teaching techniques. I think it is not useful since this is not a teaching course" 你就大錯特錯, 果 40 min 如果你無教學水準, 你就一定fail, 唔好以為好易考. 你可以 check 下 hk 有幾多人pass 到呢個試你就知有幾難. 無咩人考係因為難pass, 你要識答考官在教學角度上既問題, 考生一定要好有教琴經驗加音樂knowledge 先能應付, 唔係一個彈到會飛既人就能應付. 好多人都話識彈唔等於識教人. 中肯d 講句, performance dip 可以發揮考生既表演欲同技考. teaching dip 可以評估到一個作為琴老師應有既教學資格, 我覺得兩個 dip 都各有難度, 琴老師應該最好兩個 dip都有.

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Dear Henrika,

真係好多謝你的答覆，現在完全明白3 subject lines 的分別和作用。

原帖由 Henrika 於 08-12-10 22:17 發表
Dear violetching,
Let's take myself as an example. I chose music performance because I want to show my ability to play the repertoire which is in performance level.

You said,"Do you mean, if you ar ...

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Dear monkey05,

請問係邊度可以check到pass ABRSM Diploma的namelist, thank you very much!

原帖由 monkey05 於 08-12-10 23:00 發表

如果你咁講 "Teaching diploma only takes 40-60mins to show your teaching techniques. I think it is not useful since this is not a teaching course" 你就大錯特錯, 果 40 min 如果你無教學水準, 你就一定 ...

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monkey05 ,
既然係Diploma,當然張張都有難度啦！！我冇話佢易考。我絕對同意你講，作為一個琴老師應有既教學資格，不過，唔係music major或沒有take padagogy course,又或者得8級鋼琴D老師就應該要去考，順便進修下自己，我自己總覺得但如果已讀過padagogy的話，做過功課，考過試，點解仲要比幾千蚊去考。我以前想考，但老師話你要考，就考Performance diploma,可以彈下琴，彈多D不同style既歌，她說既然大學時已讀過padagogy,就不要"浪費金錢"，不過真係純屬個人意見，唔同人有唔同取向。

原帖由 monkey05 於 08-12-10 23:00 發表

如果你咁講 "Teaching diploma only takes 40-60mins to show your teaching techniques. I think it is not useful since this is not a teaching course" 你就大錯特錯, 果 40 min 如果你無教學水準, 你就一定 ...

[ 本帖最後由 Henrika 於 08-12-10 23:40 編輯 ]

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Dear all,

How to choose the exam,Trinity Or ABRSM after finished Grade 8 piano?

Thanks!

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Trinity的Performers' Cert/Advanced Cert 就免喇。
ABRSM同TRINITY有人話係蘋果同橙，不能比較，其實並不一定，現在的孩子許多升中前己考左ATCL,甚或LTCL，許多教琴慨都唔夠佢地彈。
(中學就考曬)
1.簡單D---ATCL>>>LTCL>>>FTCL
2.要求D---DipABRSM>>>LTCL>>>FTCL
3.進取D---DipABRSM>>>LRSM>>>FTCL
FRSM就唔講喇。
其實許多讀完Degree或Master的，彈得都是一般而己，不過用所知去搭夠。普通學沒大要求的就無問題，如果有要求，就要是個"好"老師，如果自己都彈唔到，點教呀！孩子小時許多是用緊自己的天份，不過天份很快就會用完，這就是老師的重要。


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唉！千祈唔好睇輕D小朋友。
有機會去TRINITY個畢業禮睇睇啦。
就算Degree許多也不外如此，哈哈！


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同意同意，
其實個人係最重要

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