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教育王國 討論區 小學雜談 2007年9月入讀蔡繼有
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2007年9月入讀蔡繼有

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大家好, 我仔仔9月份入讀蔡繼有. 佢地個校小一臨時校舍位於天后, 其他舊生的臨時校舍位於蘇屋.  而我地住觀塘. 學校有安排校車接送, 先接所有學生到蘇屋校舍, 再有免費校車由蘇屋去天后.  如此安排, 不單止要小朋友坐個幾兩個鐘校車, 費時失事, 孜大大增加小朋友在路上的危險.  本人有意找保母車, 由東九龍去天后.  請問有無家長有興趣一齊, 同埋請問大家知唔知係點樣找保母車.

謝謝幫忙
Jeffrey

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Re: 2007年9月入讀蔡繼有

如果校方真是如此安排小一學生交通
那校方真是只顧行政方便和成本效益
沒有從小朋友和家長的立場作考慮
與「全人教育」以學生為重心的教學理念實在不符
也不顧及「消費者」的利益(咁貴學費…)
唉...

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Re: 2007年9月入讀蔡繼有

其實, 我都唔知係唔係可以完全責怪學校.  校長話蘇屋個校舍係政府很早前已留給他們, 但係佢地一路都有同政府反映, 話太細唔夠用, 點知政府再比多一個細校舍佢地, 搞到兩頭唔到岸.  才出此下策.  

因為很多小一新生有兄長或家姐在原校讀高年班, 而原本學校已有十多條學車線cover 九龍及新界區接送學生, 如果要再另開十多條線只表從九龍新界接送小一學生到天后校舍, 我諗真係會太貴啦. .... 所以佢地寧願自費幾架小巴, 只接送小一學生來往蘇屋同天后....一來, 有兄弟姊妹的可一起返放學, 二來, 比較化算 .....

咁樣諗係咪會令自己開心 d 呢   


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Re: 2007年9月入讀蔡繼有

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發表於 07-4-26 14:10 |只看該作者

Re: 2007年9月入讀蔡繼有

我就係唔相信,過往及現在那些剛開校只有小一的新校
難道就沒有校車接送學生?
就算一個級別百多學生不足以另安排校車,難以達至成本效益
但辦學怎可如此短視?
由蘇屋shuttle去天后,說出來人人都會嘩然
小朋友要受舟車勞動之苦,在車上說說故事就可以解決問題?
(車轔轔,馬嘯嘯,在顛簸的車上,去旅遊還可以聽導遊說說笑話)
(但去過旅遊的都知,過了幾天大家還不是在車上呼呼大睡乎?)
(有誰相信class teachers 可以有說不完的故事,說足2年至新校舍落成?)
(頭一星期還會有新鮮感,往後只怕老師和學生只會在車上百無聊籟,望天打卦而矣!)

多年來在CKY,感受到校方不少匪夷所思的行政思維,唉∼∼

世事沒完美,政府分配校舍不善固然不對
校方出此下策應對也是不該
簡單來說,校方可曾統計新收學生的居住地址(data is already available)
再研究出其他可行的折衷方法?

以我所知,現時高年班有幾條細車路線,接載較偏遠學生
再集中在一個地點,幾架細巴轉合成大巴再回校
總比先到蘇屋再去天后好

又例如,校方可有沒有聯絡一些保母車公司
了解它們現有的路線,與它們磋商
(保母車公司不會有生意也不做吧?)

就算校方不想和保母車公司接觸
總能夠提供保母車資料給新生家長
也總好過由家長自發處理吧!
(新生家長,人都唔識多個,大家又如何組織起來呢?)
(校方一句:「錯不在我,我已盡力。」但我看來,連基本工作也欠奉)

正如劉華所說:今時今日,咁既服務態度係唔得架!

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發表於 07-4-29 15:37 |只看該作者

Re: 2007年9月入讀蔡繼有

Concur

kunggi201 寫道:
我就係唔相信,過往及現在那些剛開校只有小一的新校
難道就沒有校車接送學生?
就算一個級別百多學生不足以另安排校車,難以達至成本效益
但辦學怎可如此短視?
由蘇屋shuttle去天后,說出來人人都會嘩然
小朋友要受舟車勞動之苦,在車上說說故事就可以解決問題?
(車轔轔,馬嘯嘯,在顛簸的車上,去旅遊還可以聽導遊說說笑話)
(但去過旅遊的都知,過了幾天大家還不是在車上呼呼大睡乎?)
(有誰相信class teachers 可以有說不完的故事,說足2年至新校舍落成?)
(頭一星期還會有新鮮感,往後只怕老師和學生只會在車上百無聊籟,望天打卦而矣!)

多年來在CKY,感受到校方不少匪夷所思的行政思維,唉∼∼

世事沒完美,政府分配校舍不善固然不對
校方出此下策應對也是不該
簡單來說,校方可曾統計新收學生的居住地址(data is already available)
再研究出其他可行的折衷方法?

以我所知,現時高年班有幾條細車路線,接載較偏遠學生
再集中在一個地點,幾架細巴轉合成大巴再回校
總比先到蘇屋再去天后好

又例如,校方可有沒有聯絡一些保母車公司
了解它們現有的路線,與它們磋商
(保母車公司不會有生意也不做吧?)

就算校方不想和保母車公司接觸
總能夠提供保母車資料給新生家長
也總好過由家長自發處理吧!
(新生家長,人都唔識多個,大家又如何組織起來呢?)
(校方一句:「錯不在我,我已盡力。」但我看來,連基本工作也欠奉)

正如劉華所說:今時今日,咁既服務態度係唔得架!

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發表於 07-4-30 13:51 |只看該作者

Re: 2007年9月入讀蔡繼有

其實都唔明點解學校要year1的小朋友去新校舍, 而唔換成year7的小朋友去, 起碼他們已是中學生, 自理能力高, 而相信大部份的學生都有能力自行上學, 無須好似而家咁為免有問題先叫year1的學生回舊校舍再轉一次車去新校舍啦!

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發表於 07-4-30 14:10 |只看該作者

Re: 2007年9月入讀蔡繼有

我試從校方的想法去猜測:

今年Y6 (明年Y7)的學生已經在蘇屋校舍安頓好,如果調動他們:
1] 便要再一次「搬家」(課室的「林林沈沈」野),行政上幾麻煩
2] 引來舊生家長強烈反對(玩野丫,搬完又搬!)
3] 只有兩班Y6,而新小一有五班,於事無補

對新小一學生,校方是可以有一個最後的「殺手鐧」
採取一個態度:「事實既如此,您們可以選擇讀與不讀,作為私校,我沒有強迫你們,是你們的選擇,將來也不要投訴我啊!」
總之,明買明賣,冇呃你秤

聲明:個人想法,以小人之心度校方君子之腹,並不代表校方立場

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Re: 2007年9月入讀蔡繼有

其實, 我本人沒有大不滿或怨言, 只是現在才驚覺要在香港找褓姆車是一點兒也不容易的.  政府雖有發牌制度, 但怎也找不到任何 資料詳列出那些公司領有有關牌照, 黃頁無這類資料, 上網 google search 或 yahoo search 都找不到 !!!  

我還以為, 在科技資訊發達的環境下,要找出街上多不勝數的褓姆車是一件很容易辦到的差事...... :evil:


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Re: 2007年9月入讀蔡繼有

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發表於 07-4-30 15:36 |只看該作者

Re: 2007年9月入讀蔡繼有

褓姆車,  個體戶小本經營, 靠口啤, 幾難在網上找到,不如試下問下褓姆車商會, 看看可有幫助或介紹?

(Click) 褓姆車商會


jeffreypoon 寫道:
其實, 我本人沒有大不滿或怨言, 只是現在才驚覺要在香港找褓姆車是一點兒也不容易的.  政府雖有發牌制度, 但怎也找不到任何 資料詳列出那些公司領有有關牌照, 黃頁無這類資料, 上網 google search 或 yahoo search 都找不到 !!!  

我還以為, 在科技資訊發達的環境下,要找出街上多不勝數的褓姆車是一件很容易辦到的差事...... :evil:

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Re: 2007年9月入讀蔡繼有

Wow, this one is good.

Thanks very much.

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發表於 07-4-30 16:22 |只看該作者

Re: 2007年9月入讀蔡繼有

呢度頭幾頁, 都有d家長介紹, 都可以參考一下:

(Click) Baby-Kingdom

辛苦各位家長了,要逐間逐間問問碰碰運氣

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發表於 07-4-30 16:43 |只看該作者

Re: School Bus Arrangement

I'm not an admin professional and I don't have any concrete data to compare the 'efficiencies' of different busing options.  

But I did hear some parents who have siblings studying (and to study) at CKY applauded the arrangement of picking their kids at one go.  Sure there are other parents who would prefer otherwise.

It seems to me that it might not necessarily be less hassle busing all students to So Uk, and then regrouping all Y1 students (around 150), plus some story-telling teachers, for transfer to the Tin Hau campus.

While I still consider it an awkward arrangement, I am not inclined to think it's purely for the ease of school bus administration. Moreover, I reckon there are quite a  number of Islanders who would opt not to take the school bus - they may take the kids to Tin Hau direct or, group together to have their own chartered bus).

Just my personal opinion.

Disclaimer: I only have one child currently studying at CKY and therefore the busing arrangement would not affect me anyhow.

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發表於 07-4-30 18:17 |只看該作者

Re: School Bus Arrangement

我同意貓公子的說法,因為就算調遷Yr6的學生都不能舒緩Yr1新增人數的壓力,學校故選擇將Yr1安排在天后上課。

另外,對於經常乘搭校巴上學的學生家長們,你們會為孩子購買保險嗎?我就會,尤其是路途遙控,此費用就更不能慳,始終以防萬一嘛。

澄清:本人不是保險從業員,祇是有感而發而已。

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發表於 07-4-30 18:35 |只看該作者

Re: School Bus Arrangement

I am not an adm. professional either, but I have quite extensive experience of dealing with coaches, transferring people from one place to another.

For kids living in East NT, East Kowloon and Island side, it is obviously not convenient for them to go to So Uk then head back to HK side.  

[1] My first point is, has the school ever considered this group of students and offered any assistance/advice?  All I can see from this thread (and other similar thread here) is that, the school provides only one option (pick at one go), without any help/advice to this pitiful group of parents. I am not sure whether at the time they applied for the school, have they fully briefed on the rough location of the temporary campus? If they knew about Tin Hau campus before application, would they change their decision?  I believe it is too late to apply or confirm other private schools, it gave no choice to parents now.  Should the school have responsibility to offer assistance as best as it can?
我覺得,在道義上,校方應為這些家長提供協助。總不成叫人家在紐約上一架不知目的地的直航飛機,然後向客人說,對不起,而家我地要去Florida, 不過要先去L.A兜個圈轉機。

For kids living in other areas, e.g. Tsuen Wan, Shatin, west Kowloon, etc.  It seems that transferring at So Uk then to Tin Hau is in the right direction.  But, my second point is:

[2] Has the school considered the “transfer time”? Not all school buses will arrive So Uk at the same time, so there is a high possibility that the school buses will spare more time to start picking up kids (old and new students) in the very early morning in case of the traffic jam to So Uk, to make sure that new students will arrive So Uk on time to catch the shuttle (that means, Y2+ students also need to get up from the bed even earlier!).

Also and unfortunately this “spare time” will become “waiting time”, wasting the time of many new students, just to wait for the other buses to come and to meet then to go to Tin Hau together.

BTW, has the school calculated the time traveling from So Uk to Tin Hau across the habour tunnel during the rush hour? Now, most school buses start running at 7:00 am or earlier so it is ok for most kids to arrive school on time.  But, if using shuttle, at what time the shuttle bus will depart from So Uk? 8:00 am or even earlier to avoid the rush hour traffic jam?

I think, the school needs to give a concrete schedule before confirmation.  I am afraid that my kid will be asked to take the school bus at 6:30 am then arrive school at 7:30 am (school starts at 8:30 pm) because there is a group of students riding on the same bus of my kid need to go to Tin Hau!
簡單來說,因為小一新生要去天后,而同校車的高年班學生要更早出門來遷就新生可以及時上到shuttle, 我就一定唔會applaud, 只有那些有兄姊在CKY的小一新生家長先會贊成呢個安排。

各位舊家長,希望我對CKY的 "行政預測", 不會成為事實,否則,我地要早多至少半個鐘起床啦..........

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發表於 07-4-30 18:36 |只看該作者

Re: School Bus Arrangement

各位住九龍東家長, 若妳/你的小朋友於07年9月在天后入讀 CKY P1, 現初步有校車公司有意幫忙.  由於此校舍及其P1學生全是新的, 故我要多提供資料給校車公司,好樣他們計算一下要開一或兩架車, 乃是校車乎要到多少屋苑接送學生, 需要多少時間, 另我有特定要求, 每架車(若多過一架車的話)的車程不可多於 45 分鐘.  一來, 我不想我小仔仔被架車"西"到暈左都未返到學校, 再者, 多一分鐘在街上就多一分危險.

故, 各位家長, 請告知你/妳的朋友此消息, 並請各位告訴我你們所屬的屋苑.

希望早日把資料集齊給校巴公司 (Concord Bus Co Ltd), 好樣他們早日報價.

Cheers,
Jeffrey

kyliema2006 寫道:
我同意猫公司的說法,因為就算調遷Yr6的學生都不能舒緩Yr1新增人數的壓力,學校故選擇將Yr1安排在天后上課。

另外,對於經常乘搭校巴上學的學生家長,你們會為孩子購買保險嗎?我就會,尤其是路途遙控,此費用就更不能慳,始終以防萬一嘛。

澄清:本人不是保險從業員,祇是有感而發而已。

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發表於 07-4-30 19:50 |只看該作者

Re: School Bus Arrangement

Dear kunggi201,

I agree that the transportation arrangement is not convenience and the risk of traffic accident will  increased.  But that's life -- take it or leave it.  Of course, you can try to manage the risk.  You can  choose to send your kid to school by other means.  So no need to be "negative".  

Indeed, I want to reply to your point[1]:
".... I am not sure whether at the time they applied for the school, have they fully briefed on the rough location of the temporary campus? If they knew about Tin Hau campus before application, would they change their decision? I believe it is too late to apply or confirm other private schools, it gave no choice to parents now. Should the school have responsibility to offer assistance as best as it can?"

Yes, I knew that there will be a temporary campus and there is no confirmed location of the campus when I apply the school.

I applied for the school even I didn't know the exact location so Tin Hau was not a concern.  What really matter is whether it is the school that I want my kid to be trained.  The truth is that I will let my kid to study in middle level Central if SPCC accepted her.

I believe many kids had applied and been accepted by more than 1 private school.  If their parents are so fond of the school and already give up (??) other offers even with no confirmation of the temp. campus location, do they need another choice now?  If this is the only choice they got, what's the different then?

You have the rights to request the school to have another arrangement and they have the rights to say "No".  

Just take it easy.  Your attitude about the school will affect your kid's perception of the school.  Don't make him/her think that you send him/her to a terrible school.  

BTW, as I remember, the shuttle bus will leave ShamShuiPo at 8:30am.  So their school time will started later when they're in year 1 and year 2.  If it's really a concern to you, may be you better think about your decision again.

MauMau

p.s. I just got a feeling that your kid is not a potential year 1 student.  Forgive me if I'm wrong.  Just can't believe someone will send their kids to a school that they have so much complaint in day one.  


囡囡最愛作弄我,叫我"貓貓 哈!哈!哈!"

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發表於 07-4-30 22:00 |只看該作者

Re: School Bus Arrangement

Dear MauMau,

其實貓公子是資深的蔡繼有家長,他�她的的子(?)女(?)是Yr 2定Yr3(又忘記了)的學生,可能他�她太坦率,所以帶來錯覺。在蔡繼有的線上,您可以發現很多真性情,家長不會盲目維護學校的是與不是,目的祇為一個,希望學校明天會更好。

學校的行政儘管未能盡如人意,但她的教學方針及理念是值得欣賞的。起碼,對我兒是管用的!

Dear 貓公子:
至於學校在没有預先通報的情況下安排Yr1到天后上課的說法,我有另一看法。

學校於復活節期間曾安排07年Yr1家長到天后校舍參觀,亦給予家長機會選擇是否讓孩子就讀此校。而07年Yr1家長於本年初收到收生信時,學校亦曾透露會有另一臨時校舍的安排,仍記得那時曾掀起一陣騒動呢!相信現時的家長是在知情的情況下,繼續選讀蔡繼有的。

其實政府安排蔡繼有在兩所不同的地方辦學,就是一個失誤,就算學校如何安排,都會有家長不滿的。若屆時真的要早半小時乘搭校車,相信會有一千人反對呢!

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發表於 07-4-30 22:57 |只看該作者

Re: School Bus Arrangement

I agree with Kyliema. It seems that it is the fault of EMB. 這幾年有很多學被殺,但不知為何會給予兩個天各一方的校舍給CKY. 我相信學校若要 year 6的學生再一次搬校,一來廣利道校舍,不能給納所有Year 1,亦會對現有學生有很大的影響。如Kyliema所言,學校如何安排,都會有家長不滿。若真的要早半小時乘搭校車,相信會有一千人反對呢!我想我也會反對!
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