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港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

自從新校長任竹嬌上任後,與舊梁校長有極大分別。全校開始慢慢地轉用傳統填鴨式教育。開始用分數評論學生的成績,漸漸地脫離最初的教學理念和基石。小朋友在適應上由開心慢慢地轉為沈悶。有意思由活動教學走向傳統教學。今年又不知有多少老師流失啊!

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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

dd603213,

我只是路過,和港大同學會小學沒有任何關係,不過我兩位孩子就讀的學校也是沒有考試、沒有分數、沒有成績表, 同樣以全面性的評估去評量學生的學習進度。學校每年進行三次評估,每次評估過後,我們都收到一份厚達三十頁紙的評估報告,孩子在每一科目、每一學習範疇,甚至是每項活動的表現,都需要接受評估。學生對知識的掌握、各種能力和技巧、學習態度,以至品格和個人成長,都獲得巨細無遺的描述。

初時接到這份「擲地有聲」的報告,真是拍爛手掌,但很快便會發覺,這項工作其實是老師的一個噩夢。試想想,每班三十人,每年三份,每份三十頁紙,假設每班平均有一點八位老師,那麼每一位老師每一年便要寫一千五百頁的評估報告。相信很多BK家長都有替下屬做評估的經驗,大家想想,要完成一千五百頁高質素的評估報告,需要花幾多時間?老師需要犧牲幾多個不眠不休的晚上?還有課程編寫、教材設計、備課、批改功課,再加上要玩創意、要帶領課外活動、要參加教學會議和家長會、要自我增值、要「應酬」家長、要處理投訴、仲要上BK睇睇有無被人鬧…………

新理念直資學校的老師,負荷著更大的工作量,又要承受更大的壓力,還要沒有職業保障。畢竟他們都只是一個「人」!當我們說新直資教師流失率高的時候,我們是否要想想如何減輕直資學校老師的工作量呢?作為校長,作為一個負責任的上司,她絕對有需要正視這個問題。

我不了解港大同學會的實況,你又沒有解釋是完全放棄評估,以分數取代,抑或只是減少評估的次數,所以我也不敢胡亂判斷,但假如新校長是基於減輕老師的工作壓力,而改變評估方式和頻率,我覺得無可厚非。此外,除了「開始用分數評論學生的成績」之外,港大同學會還有什麼改變,令你覺得她「漸漸地脫離最初的教學理念和基石」呢?可否作更多的分享呢?謝謝!


Tommy

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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

樓主,
我唔係批評你,我冇惡意,只不過有親人做老師,所以對教育的睇法可能同你唔同。
世上冇一個制度是完美,小朋友上學,就自然要有一個方法去評估,我冇話計分制係最好,但可能係最有效率亦最客觀。就算e+想去做份政府工都要考試啦。剛才睇過Tommy的發言,我沒親身經歷,不作comment,但亦有疑問,家長點樣評估那厚達三十頁紙的評估報告的真確度有幾高?畢竟老師都係血肉之軀!

仲有,唔好中香港政府果d咩愉快學習的廣告毒啦,我唔識得解釋,我只係識得舉例:當你見一個學生廢寢忘食咁咪書,係咪代表佢唔愉快呢?或者在過程中,他為著自己的competency有所提昇而愉快呢,否則,我地何來咁多專業人士?e+有邊個政府高官係愉快學習式的活動教學教出黎?

借個位講講,我本人絕對唔相信呢套,愉唔愉快係視乎個小朋友自身的學習動機有幾高而定,而呢樣野的責任唔係全部歸究於老師/學校/課堂活動度,小朋友最細的上學年齡係2yr8m,唔大唔細的上小學年齡係6yr左右,試問在呢6年黎家長在塑造幼兒的學習動機上有冇責任?試問大家有冇培養小朋友的好奇心、自理能力(此能力強有助兒童自發自助地動手去學習/尋求答案)、恆心、耐性、鍥而不捨窮追猛打的精神?

對唔住,我講得太多!

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發表於 07-6-15 07:52 |只看該作者

Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

VKwan,

我相信愉快學習,也相信傳統教學。不過在香港種種的客觀環境下,要完全實踐愉快學習,要面對很多困難和挑戰,而且非常高風險,所以我不會全盤否定那一種學習模式。

不過我也想問問,在云云的政府高官裡,有那一位是出色的領袖?

Tommy

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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

I think the topic is not about whether activity or traditional approach is good or bad, but the key point is:

Originally 港大同學會小學 claims to use activity approach, happy learning etc., and now as 樓主 said, it is changing into traditional teaching approach, which is very different from the original plan.  When parents send the kids into a school, they choose school based on the 理念 told by it, and expect implementation based on the same approach.  If it changes, it is not doing what it has said.  

So say if the school of Tommy's kid is going to change into traditional approach next year, will you still feel nothing about it?

This is the major risk of choosing new DSS or private schools.  I believe if we prefer traditional teaching approach, there are hundreds govt schools for selection and we can save a lot of school fees.

I am not parent of this school, but fully understand the concern raised.

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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

dd603213 寫道:
自從新校長任竹嬌上任後,與舊梁校長有極大分別。全校開始慢慢地轉用傳統填鴨式教育。開始用分數評論學生的成績,漸漸地脫離最初的教學理念和基石。小朋友在適應上由開心慢慢地轉為沈悶。有意思由活動教學走向傳統教學。今年又不知有多少老師流失啊!


我不清楚這學校,但若是我會從多方面分析。
關鍵為普遍或個別--'小朋友...由開心慢慢地轉為沈悶"是否真確?
又是否定律如下:
用分數評論學生=傳統教學=填鴨式=沈悶 ?
又可否如下進行 :
活動教學==>評估+分數評論==>開心 ?

用分數評論學生的成績==>是採用向何種形式進行?
考試?測驗?默書?專題研習?功課?閱讀報告?
有冇名次排?

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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

[size=large]不過在香港種種的客觀環境下,要完全實踐愉快學習,要面對很多困難和挑戰,而且非常高風險

講得好,本人就正正係呢點,所以唔打算將子女送進這種賣點的學校。不過都唔代表我的子女沒有活動式學習,我的孩子上的是傳統教學的學校,但自小所參與的課外學習班都係活動式的,多由外國人教授,甚至班中有唔少西人小朋友,我聲明我唔係崇洋,但我唔認為以我地呢種成長背景(包括我自己)會有果種開放地讓兒童自由探索的mindset,而且,過程中的那種互動效果,亦要班中的小朋友配合到至得。Sorry,我真係唔係好識表達得好清楚,但我體驗到係有分別架。

另外,我唔認為現在世界上有那幾個是出色的領袖,即使在外國。恕我學識淺薄,以我的觀點,他們充其量只可稱為政客。

我那個舉例,只係想提醒大家,現在社會(狹窄地以HK做例)上所謂精英的那班人,都係那種高風險的活動教學教出來嗎?香港式的活動教學,在我眼中係新的產物,歷史太短,欠缺參考值,我未敢貿然嘗試。




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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

我都同意WYmom的觀點,亦體會到樓主好似被騙的感覺。我只係想安慰下樓主,或者該變化都唔係唔好呢,因為始終理念還理念,呢種教學在施行上太新,如果發覺效果未如理想,都需要調節。
WYmom 寫道:
I think the topic is not about whether activity or traditional approach is good or bad, but the key point is:

Originally 港大同學會小學 claims to use activity approach, happy learning etc., and now as 樓主 said, it is changing into traditional teaching approach, which is very different from the original plan.  When parents send the kids into a school, they choose school based on the 理念 told by it, and expect implementation based on the same approach.  If it changes, it is not doing what it has said.  

So say if the school of Tommy's kid is going to change into traditional approach next year, will you still feel nothing about it?

This is the major risk of choosing new DSS or private schools.  I believe if we prefer traditional teaching approach, there are hundreds govt schools for selection and we can save a lot of school fees.

I am not parent of this school, but fully understand the concern raised.


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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

The secondary school of HKUGA primary has been up and running for a year.

Son of my friend studying there, an outsider student enrolled ony since last year.

He enjoys the school life. However, he also said that in general, the standard of students from outside HKUGA primary are better.

May be for this reason, the primary school has to push up a bit on the academic side. I guess the shift of style of teaching would be more obvious on the upper forms.

Again, the change may not be a bad thing, if this is a result from the reality check.

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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

Tatama123 寫道:
我都同意你們的觀點,activity approach, happy learning  自我探究etc.完全滿足果d working mum, 又唔想哂氣叫仔女溫習果d 家長,至於d 小朋友學到幾多, 真係 I don't know.如果唔諗住讀U 未嘗唔係好選擇!


Activity approach does not mean parents no need to follow up anything, in fact parents need to involve more, say reading with the kids, doing projects, going to field trips, etc.  It also does not mean that these kids cannot go into Universities, there are so many people in other countries learn under activity approach and can go into very top universities.

The key thing is if you can choose a good school which can really deliver what it claims.  As most DSS using activity approach in HK are very new, no one can say if those schools are good or not.

In fact it is difficult to implement new concepts in HK as HK people are always expecting good academic results in a very short time (as usual - 急功近利).  If the new schools need to show high standard/good academic results to prove to local parents in only 2 to 3 years and attract more customers in future, it may be inevitable for them to switch back to traditional approach, which push students to perform better in exams by simply memorizing what they learn.

I believe parents of this school will be in a better position to tell more.

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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

個新校長我見過,因去年去

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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

there are many variables too, e.g. the quality and committment of the teachers, students quality and personality, parents' assistance, school's direction....

Bear in mind that there are so many students from traditional schools not entering the universities.

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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

我上左bk幾年, 呢度有邊幾個hkuga家長, 我唸我心中有數
呢位"新加入國民", 第一次發言就咁"熱心"報料, 我都無野好講!
活動教學, 就唔需要評估嗎? 舊校長又好, 新校長又好, 邊一年無評估? 1,2年班用持續評估, 3,4,5,6 年班有考試, 呢個係一向既rule, 從來無改過
小朋友在適應上由開心慢慢地轉為沈悶-->以前點開心, 而家點沉悶, 可以解釋一下嗎? 前排parents' night, 亦唔見有家長反映呢個問題wor!

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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

[size=large]「如果唔諗住讀U 未嘗唔係好選擇!」

我覺得好反感,為何activity approach, happy learning 自我探究=入唔到大學????
Tatama123 寫道:
我都同意你們的觀點,activity approach, happy learning  自我探究etc.完全滿足果d working mum, 又唔想哂氣叫仔女溫習果d 家長,至於d 小朋友學到幾多, 真係 I don't know.如果唔諗住讀U 未嘗唔係好選擇!


同意WYmom的講法
WYmom 寫道:
Activity approach does not mean parents no need to follow up anything, in fact parents need to involve more, say reading with the kids, doing projects, going to field trips, etc.  It also does not mean that these kids cannot go into Universities, there are so many people in other countries learn under activity approach and can go into very top universities.

The key thing is if you can choose a good school which can really deliver what it claims.  As most DSS using activity approach in HK are very new, no one can say if those schools are good or not.

In fact it is difficult to implement new concepts in HK as HK people are always expecting good academic results in a very short time (as usual - 急功近利).  If the new schools need to show high standard/good academic results to prove to local parents in only 2 to 3 years and attract more customers in future, it may be inevitable for them to switch back to traditional approach, which push students to perform better in exams by simply memorizing what they learn.

I believe parents of this school will be in a better position to tell more.
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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

hoeve 寫道:
同意WYmom的講法
[size=large]「如果唔諗住讀U 未嘗唔係好選擇!」我覺得好反感,為何activity approach, happy learning 自我探究=入唔到大學????


hoeve,

Pls quote clearly that the saying is from Tatama123.  I also feel that it is so ridiculous!!


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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

Dear Parent,

Actually I know nothing about this school, what I want to clarify is for potential DSS school parent should bare in mind those school can only offer "happy learning" approach uptill P3. It is not the school direction change but rather the reality school need to face since they need to prepare their student to enter the central allocation process (although it may not necessary since they are one dragon, still some student may want to change back to gov. school for whatever reason). On the other hand, they(school) need to show to the parent their school is worth the school fee. So starting P4 onwards, you can expect the pressure will come all in a sudden.

Regarding the happy learning approach or the traditional one, all will admit traditional approach is very effective in delivering and assess. The most important issue is they use mark to classify student. For student in the bottom ten rank in class, how can they face the "loser" label and as time goes by, they will behave what we can't expect, is it worth? For some will say our senior official are also trained as the traditional way, why can't the teenagers now? Please look backwards several years, did our former official's behaviour acceptable? They are already the top one in the past. I am not saying the existing system is unaccptable but it just suit those student who can score steady within the ten rank in class or level over ten years.

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Re: 港大同學會小學的2006-07年變化

WYmom,
好在你提下,我’慶’得滯有D語無論次添 ,改番了

WYmom 寫道:
[quote]
hoeve 寫道:
同意WYmom的講法
[size=large]「如果唔諗住讀U 未嘗唔係好選擇!」我覺得好反感,為何activity approach, happy learning 自我探究=入唔到大學????


hoeve,

Pls quote clearly that the saying is from Tatama123.  I also feel that it is so ridiculous!![/quote]
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