資優兒童

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Re: 資優兒童

他可能在數學方面很有潛質呢.

有兩個cases給你參考:
我個女是資優,數學功課測驗常給我無限 '驚喜'!!!

但資優男生就多數好叻計數.

我個EP做過一個case,是一個K3男生,他可做倒小四的數,但IQ Test結果是110左右. 他的父母難免失望,究其原因是過度操練運算,而不是有較高層次的解難能力.而IQ Test(韋氏)共有10個部份的.

http://forum.baby-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=1438375&extra=page%3D3

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Re: 資優兒童

可唔可以講多d'IQ Test(韋氏)共有10個部份'是什麼?

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Re: 資優兒童

colourful..
      根據我知道的case，韋氏個iq test，如果小朋友語言口語表達能力好強的，都會取得好高分。那些拙於用口語表達的孩子，即使思考能力很高，在這個test都會因此拉低左好多分。這類孩子的智慧比較內歛，你好容易搵到好多數學好叻的孩子，不是有口吃就係在語言表達方面(指口語)有少許問題。
(九型人格的五仔數學邏輯好強，但他們卻拙於以語言表達自己)
      不過，當然不可以一概而論。

      很多東西可以訓練，但數學，除非係死記公式，否則，個腦解唔通就解唔通。你朋友個小朋友k3做到小四的數學，那要看他做到的是死記公式的計算方面的數，還是真的明白小四數學的全部概念。如果他真的明白，那麼，他就是數學資優，並不是由操練而來。如果操練得到，那麼，那些讀緊小四的小朋友，數學學極都學唔好的，咁佢地iq咪肯定低於k3你認識那個小朋友的智商？(哈，碰巧我而加幫緊一個小四學生補緊數)

其實你朋友的不必失望的嘛，他們應該很清楚自己孩子是否有數學天分，不是只看那個test而定。

可參考下下面﹕
智力測驗有一個基本假設，那就是「聰明就是反應快」，智力測驗一般均有時限，在短時間內做對題目越多，表示智商越高。這種假設對很多人來說可能正確，但非所有人，因為有些人做事喜歡仔細思考，會花較多時間研究、準備，結果獲致具有創意的更好答案，這種人不能說是不聰明。在日常生活中，每次解決一個問題是不是都只能有十五秒到六十秒？像做完一題測驗一樣。耶魯大學教授史坦伯格曾研究發現，解決問題的品質與所費時間之相關連是.75，強迫式的立即反應，其品質常不如經過思考的反應。社會上固然需要反應快的人，但也不能沒有用心思考、能提出創見的人。速度固然重要，但盲目地認為只有反應快才是智慧高，對某些人而言，可能是不適用的。    蔡典謨

如果小孩子去做iq test，得出來的結果很好，但事實自己見到的他或她又不是那樣聰明，那麼除了其真人不露相外，亦可能有機會只係幼時後天的多元化教育或 "操練"的結果，亦有可能係個小朋友只係把口好了得。但當然亦不能一概而論。

如果見到小朋友某方面好有天份，不要因一個iq test的結果便放棄栽培他那方面啊﹗很可惜的。

colourful 寫道:
他可能在數學方面很有潛質呢.

有兩個cases給你參考:
我個女是資優,數學功課測驗常給我無限 '驚喜'!!! 但資優男生就多數好叻計數.

我個EP做過一個case,是一個K3男生,他可做倒小四的數,但IQ Test結果是110左右. 他的父母難免失望,究其原因是過度操練運算,而不是有較高層次的解難能力.而IQ Test(韋氏)共有10個部份的.

誰會直率地說出所認識的真實？有所認識的少數人，愚蠢地不隱蔽自己充實的心，向愚民們說明他們的感情和見識，他們總是被人磔死或燒死。歌德 <<浮士德>>入來做下test，不同的人對事情有不同的看法和感受﹗

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Re: 資優兒童

其實依我所見到的，k3數學超過一個grade的孩子，現在都有不少。

peggychong 寫道:
我朋友個仔d Maths 好勁,他現讀K3,現已超了1個grade,唔知係唔係資優兒童

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Re: 資優兒童

睡覺,
久違了.

那位K3小男生正是操練式學習數學. 這個case是個EP上堂時講的. (不是我朋友呢) 很同意你的說法,會不會男仔的抽象思維強些, 較容易掌握數學概念?

你仔仔數學那麼強,是不是你的遺傳?

你有冇考慮待仔仔九歲再做評估? 最好有份詳細報告.

http://forum.baby-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=1438375&extra=page%3D3

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Re: 資優兒童

colourful,
      即係佢只係識得運算而無法理解概念嗎？？其實我之前問個CP，我話在韋氏中評估數學部分時，是要評心算的，仲要限時，我話咁而加坊間咁多珠乜鬼心算的，學左咪一定心算得比未學的快嗎？咁，那兒來得個準？
      我以為她會否定我的說法。怎料，她說如果數學真係不好的，也未必去到好高分。咁，意思係咪話，數學如果真的不怎麼好，又沒學心算的，咁就會仲低分？咁即係話LI個評估係有得操練啦﹗咁，數學本身能力很好，但無學過心算的，可能心算都不差，但分數咪同果D學過心算的一樣？咁即係話唔係評估天生智能？

      又雖則佢C唔肯俾我正式睇個CHART，但我瞄得到，阿仔的分數好唔平均下，咁，個CP話，那部分較低分的，大概是因為阿仔無乜讀過幼稚園影響。咁，我心一直以為這個TEST的評估係評估天生智能，唔係人為因素左右。佢咁講，我想，評來對我來講意義就不大了。

我小學時數學奇差，尤其上左四年級以後(因為不再只是運算了)，經常只有十多分，那時無法子，為免受罰，我只好不停冒認家長簽名。因為真係次次派回來都係由0至二十多分咋。
但上六年級就開始好了點，可能開始發育開竅。
佢係咪遺傳我本人，一定唔係啦，應該係隔代吧？我的叔父輩....都係讀物理數學的。
我而加的數學概念都唔係好好。阿仔領悟力比我而加仲好，有次他走左去別家小學網站度玩學科遊戲，他選了一些數學文字題來做，好似係小五小六的邏輯題。其中有兩題，我正準備用筆來以代數方程式來計算，(我係要用筆來畫圖思考的人)，當我準備好筆紙正寫緊方程式時，阿仔望住條題目好短時間，已經講左個答案出來，我都未計到。我諗佢可能只係撞彩。跟住又來一題，我又係度推緊條數時(又要用紙筆)，佢又望幾望，想一想，又給我答案了。

不過，或許其實是我推理能力唔多好，並不是他特別好吧﹗

這是我有點頭痛的問題，因為連我自己個腦都轉唔靈光，好快教唔到佢深入D GE，但又無錢栽培佢。所以佢數學進度，曾停頓過好長時間無理佢。最近，我乾脆買VCD返來叫佢自己睇算了，相較外面學更便宜。

如果話第時用黎進修或升學有用，我都想著九歲左右帶佢去評估，不過前題要找對好的有經驗和道德操守的評估員，而且要做最新版本的，如果已經面世了的話，(但若做新版本的香港版又好似有點白老鼠咁)。你點解問我係九歲，唔話八歲十歲GE？係咪九歲做最好？

其實我也曾想過由得佢，因為其實沒有評估報告，認識阿仔的所有人，不用說"懷疑"，都認為及肯定他不是一般的孩子了，其實問心的，我無須要報告來作肯定。所以，我覺得靠佢實力為將來升學用就算喇。
如果話用來了解個仔，講真心話，我比份報告更了解他，個CP和DR及護士都咁話我。
我想起佢份報告其中話佢視覺感知能力和同齡相符，便對LI D評估無晒信心，佢何來知佢視感知能力如何？為何有咁GE結論呢？阿仔曾因一個大學研究做了一個 "視覺感知能力"的評估，人家單做LI個評估，就要用兩小時時間。但結果同份報告相差十萬八千里。這是我對報告無信心GE原因。

不過，如果有需要(例如一定要報告才有免費栽培或輔導)，，我可能都會帶佢去做。

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Re: 資優兒童

睡覺,

做智能評估無非想了解仔女的強弱項,點解要家長估估下呢? 而且那些評估結果是小朋友的個人記錄,但卻是如此遙不可及. 真難明呀. 看完你的故事,感到個CP幫唔倒你,更令你對評估失了信心似的.

我夜D pm你啦. 仲有野想同你分享.

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Re: 資優兒童

Hello CherylMum,

As far as I have browsed some of the websites about gifted and talented children, 3 things you mentioned about your child do seem to match some of those criteria.... May I ask you some questions? Did your daughter develop early literacy? Say, compared to the children at her age peer. Was that IQ test done recently? Have you ever notify your child's teacher at school?

My daughter is almost 4 and half and I have been considering IQ test for her. Her teacher has given us the remark that she may have high IQ and be regarded as gifted. In her class, just like your daughter's, the children learn to write single letters and numbers, while my child reads short chapter books by herself and write a diary almost every night. She's also a quick learner, as yours. I have tried using flash cards for her to learn vocabularies in Putonghua and she has learned 100 words by heart within 2 weeks. She loved and enjoyed the cards a lot and sometimes asked me to flash a few time a day. Meanwhile, she's simply staring at the cards, no motion. So focused that no one can disturb.

The other day, I happened to ask my child if she was bored at school and she said, "when we work on the writing, yes."
Have you ever asked if your daughter gets bored at school?

Last month I contacted some clinical psychologists about possible assessments, and they said, "the result with the good score often scares parents, but no worry. You can be confident that the way you have guided the child is proven right". That helped me a lot to cool down and "enjoy the time with her and let her enjoy me" (this is also what the clinical psychologist said), as 4.5 is still a little young for the test.
Do you plan to take any further step for your daughter based on the score? Of course, no one can simply judge what should be done by the score but I do believe this is one of the things that we can refer to, and often, shouldn't be overlooked.

As you said, your daughter has never taken any 操練 to boost the IQ score, I am sure that you must have taken good care of her.

Could it be your time reading many books with her, the choices of toys, the happy environment, healthy food arrangement? It can be anything! Of course, children often naturally have great talent but the environment is what it really takes, I believe.

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Re: 資優兒童

Dear CherylMum

你小朋友操作智商很高分，我相信她一定在某些範疇上很有潛能的，所以你不用對她有如此高IQ SCORE而感到困惑。

不過你做完個TEST後，專家(CP /EP)有沒有和你分析小朋友的問題呢？我想他或她應該可以給你一點意見的，例如她的強項在哪裏，弱項在哪裏，可以幫助她在哪方面發揮潛能等。我想，看每個項目的分數分佈，比起單看那個總分來得更有用。

個人同意有些專家謂，做個TEST主要係看看孩子智能的強弱部分，從而知道如何在教育上作出適當的取長補短。

我相信智慧係多元化的，單以個總分來籠統地比較一個人在智慧上的高低，我覺得並不可靠，也不能作準，但可以作為參考。

例如﹕你估下莫扎特聰明D定係牛頓聰明D呢？你認為一個音樂天才叻D定係數學天才叻D？一個天才畫家，定係一個語言外交家有智慧一D？一個建築師聰明D，定係一個哲學家聰明D？

聰明的定義人人不同吧？

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以上純粹個人意見，如有不認同，咁咁咁.....咪就咁囉

CherylMum 寫道:
I have a question to ask.

My daughter took the IQ test at the age of 5.5 and she scored 137 (of which the non-verbal part is 145). I was very surprised by the result. I know her ability is above average, but I really don't expect she has such a high IQ score (as high as 145 in the non-verbal part). I can definitely say she does not receive any 操練. She studied in a very relax international kindergarten which only taught the counting from 1-10 even in K2.

Except that (1) she can highly concentrate in tasks that interest her, (2) that she learns things very quickly and (3) that she is a highly sensitive person, her other behaviors are as "normal" as other kids. So I am really puzzled why she has high IQ score.

Can anybody explain why, or has anybody come across similar cases?

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睡覺寫道:

如果小孩子去做iq test，得出來的結果很好，但事實自己見到的他或她又不是那樣聰明，那麼除了其真人不露相外，亦可能有機會只係幼時後天的多元化教育或 "操練"的結果，亦有可能係個小朋友只係把口好了得。但當然亦不能一概而論。

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Re: 資優兒童

CherylMum,
想問，你是從操作智商中得知囡囡有很高的spatial ability嗎？那麼，non-verbal那part是否主要是評估visual -spatial方面的智能呢？


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Re: 資優兒童

thanks，你小朋友係咪用左手？

CherylMum 寫道:
[quote]
睡覺寫道:
CherylMum,
想問，你是從操作智商中得知囡囡有很高的spatial ability嗎？那麼，non-verbal那part是否主要是評估visual -spatial方面的智能呢？

The IQ test does not clearly specify which score relates to visual-spatial ability. But according to what I have read from books, the part on "block assembling" in the IQ test is related to spatial ability. My daughter had the maximum scores in this part. Plus from what I have observe, she does have strong visual-spatial ability, e.g. she is good at remembering places; she is good at puzzle and chess; she was also good at drawing....[/quote]


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Re: 資優兒童

CherylMum,

From that you described how you have guided her so far, you seem to know what to do!!

With lots of puzzles, other toys and your decent support (far from being pushy), I suppose your child is growing happily for herself.
But you said the teacher at that time didn't respond to the result in anyway, right? How did the teacher actually react when you disclosed the score? The teacher may have thought that it's too early to say anything as your child was merely 5 yrs old... ????
The CP that I have talked told me that the parents can seek help to teachers in many of international schools as the overall teaching style is rather more flexible than many of rigid local schools. Personally I am not sure about this point. For your daughter's case, she's still young and enjoys her school life. I guess you may want to be more careful about her growing awareness about the individual skills. Like you said, she has a better language ability while her numeral skill is average. According to that CP, even though some skills are average, which is quite satisfactory to many others, a child may have a hang-up about it by comparing her other excelling skills and abilities. I suppose it's getting more like an emotional and mental support, gradually teach a child how to come to terms with something, in a sense. But this can also apply to any child, I guess. You said that your daughter is very sensitive. She may be maturing faster than her peers, as she grows older. In which case, it will be you that she can first turn to as a role model to shape herself in as she actually is.


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