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今天星島有文章關於真道：1.ㄧ條龍兼讀少一年，11年完成中小學。2.可同時讀IB和DSE,現有5名雙軌學生。3.香港最平的IB課程之ㄧ。

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IB - Non-JUPAS
HKDSE - JUPAS
You can select either non-JUPAS or JUPAS for university admission, why take both exams?

No offence, this insane arrangement only satisfy someone's or the school's ego more than the future of the students. One bird in hand .........

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Honey917 Can't agree more. 發表於 12-3-24 00:03

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兩個學生的DSE同分，報聯招，爭難入的學系。其中一位是少數同時讀IB。大學是否真的會認為這學生很傻，為何會報兩個考試呢？

只有少數學生能同時讀IB和DSE。我想應不是問題。我希望這5位同學日後能以親身經歷和我們分享IB和DSE的優劣。

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ANChan59 I am not against or teased those students, from my friend, they struggled, most of them dropped out and not happy, I am only against who got this dump idea...... I also wish them we 發表於 12-3-24 08:19

ANChan59 So many students taking GCE and HKAL....... we all know HKAL >> GCE AL..... IB >> HKDSE. 發表於 12-3-24 08:14

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兩個學生的DSE同分，報聯招，爭難入的學系。其中一位是少數同時讀IB。大學是否真的會認為這學生很傻，為何會報兩個考試呢？When ties, so many other considerations, interviews, majors, OLE....... For hot programs, the scores even more important. Some schools in UK, also taking GCSE at F4/5 (compulsory), GCE AL/AS at F4-6 (Optional and not full cert.), IB at F7 (Compulsory), they stagger the schedule.

只有少數學

生能同時讀IB和DSE。我想應不是問題。我希望這5位同學日後能以親身經歷和我們分享IB和DSE的優劣。That's true. The last but not the least, they still have a few months to decide single or double. Good luck.

I know you are playing as devil advocate in this case.

What's the true meaning of education????

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Change my hat:

Mr Chan, you always emphasize fact base discussion, don't rule out the possibility to take both exam in the same year. If they target MBBS as illustration:

Subjects             HKDSE                                  IB

Core                   Chinese                      Theory of Knowledge
                           English                         Extended Essay
                           Maths                         Creativity, Action and Service
                           Liberal Studies

Electives             2-3                               6 electives

Others                OLE

**********************************************************************************
Put Medicine as example

Chinese             one level                      Syllabus A, SL             B, HL
English                one level                      Syllabus A, SL
Maths                   Core                            Maths Studies HL
Chemistry             one level                      Chemistry HL
Biology                one level                      Biology HL                      SL
Economics          one level                      Economics SL

Others                OLE                            TOK
                                                               EE
                                                               CAS

Take both, in terms of core, subjects or electives are workable as the above illustration. The major difference will be in Others - OLE, Liberal studies, TOK, EE and CAS. In case need better score, downgrade Chinese to Syllabus B HL, instead of A; and Biology from HL to SL. Also, only take 2 electives.

In others, we adopt the following strategy:

                        OLE                            CAS  (一雞兩味)
                        Liberal Studies          TOK / EE (Same topic for EE& LS)

Looks workable. isn't it?

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ANChan59

The critical success factors are:

1. Target the program first and pick the right electives;
2. In IB, don't take time demanding and hard subjects, if no special requirement, just pick the easiest level.
3. Repeat and double count some modules in Others
4. IB won't clash with HKDSE in 2013 examination.

it's extremely tough, but workable, if our kids, cut all on-line games, dating, face book; temporary forget about happy learning and adopt 雷鋒精神

. God bless us and no clashes in IB & HKDSE exam schedule. Should be fine.

Yes, Acting Principal, you are right. I am wrong.

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係啊!真道怎知不會撞期？唔通考試局set DSE考試日期時，會就ㄧ就這些學生？還是他們有可能考IB 11月的考期？定是有些安排，我們還未完全明白？

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ChiChiPaPa 發表於 12-3-24 09:19
係啊!真道怎知不會撞期？唔通考試局set DSE考試日期時，會就ㄧ就這些學生？還是他們有可能考IB 11月的考期 ...

If the students' target is to enter universities in 2012 summer, why take IB in Nov?

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唔係2013Summer?

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ChiChiPaPa 發表於 12-3-24 13:38
唔係2013Summer?

Right should be 2013

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最近友人好煩, 大女讀國際中學, 細仔再升上去, 便會好大負擔, 我叫佢去一些學費較便宜既直資, 如真X, X思, 有IB讀.
但友人說這些中學, 此IB不同彼IB! 指國際中學與直資中學, 有些資源有限;加上師資;加上學資(學生資質), 唔係學生想讀, 就有得讀, 他說最初所有學生主要走DSE課程, 到上到高中, 學校認為LI個學生可以讀到, 先至比個小朋友轉讀.

O甘同國際學校有好大分別! 即係唔可以靠學校, 係靠小朋友既能力(英語能力)? 所以段NEWS有講政府批左6X個額, 現在只有2X人讀, 之前有直資有放棄唔辦IB, 就話政府唔批, 但我好質疑有幾多間直資, 培育出來學生, 可以讀到IB, 而有又好成績.

路過8掛, 吹吓水. THKS! 有錯請糾正!

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My two cents, just for discussion.

但友人說這些中學, 此IB不同彼IB! 指國際中學與直資中學, 有些資源有限;加上師資;加上學資(學生資質), 唔係學生想讀, 就有得讀, 他說最初所有學生主要走DSE課程

, 到上到高中, 學校認為LI個學生可以讀到, 先至比個小朋友轉讀. (Your friend may be biased by IS, sorry to say so, In HK the best IB school would be LPCUWC, an unique DSS, most local students come from local schools with local curriculum. SPCC and DBS will have IBDP results in 2013 and 2012, may further confirm high student ability, 3 years program can nurture good IB students...)

O甘同國際學校有好大分別! 即係唔可以靠學校, 係靠小朋友既能力(英語能力)?(A good students = good school + good teacher + good family support + good parenting ......) 所以段NEWS有講政府批左6X個額, 現在只有2X人讀, (It's normal for a new IB school, parents and kids take a more conservative approach. The same in DBS and SPCC.) 之前有直資有放棄唔辦IB, 就話政府唔批, (The school you mentioned, wanted all students can take IBDP in senior grades, but rejected by EDB due to DSS ruling - majority of students need to take local curriculum. Of course, costs and IB teachers also another consideration before they drop the proposal. DSS all faces the same problem, DBS & SPCC also limited to ~60, unless they changed to private school, like CKY.) 但我好質疑有幾多間直資, 培育出來學生, 可以讀到IB, 而有又好成績. (You may be right to certain extent, as a HK citizen, I hope most DSS IB schools nurture many good IBers to demonstrate the new education direction, some how like IB instead of NSS.)

I have a dream......... If foreign students queue up to join local schools, no need to wait for IS....... more expatriate families will come to HK.......

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I guess those 5 students may not go for IBDP in the end, but IB certificate instead. In such case, they can just take a few IB subjects and have them credited in the university. There are quite a lot of such cases in my daughter's previous IS that provides both IB and AP.

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In HK the best IB school would be LPCUWC, an unique DSS""-

It may not be fair to compare LPCUWC with other DSS offering IB. LPCUWC is the only DSS in HK that can have all its students attending IB. It only accepts HKCEE students with very high marks, and I think its resources are far more than other DSS. Its annual fee for 2012/13 is HK$206,000!

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Yes, you are right, It's not a fair comparison.
My initial thought was using LPC (DSS school) vs IS, and other DSS schools like SPCC and DBS may also comparable to most IS in IBDP.

I wish the other new DSS schools doing well in IB, even only 1/4 students taking iBDP, which may force the education officials have second thought.

Thanks for your reminder.

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hhy2007 發表於 12-3-24 21:14
I guess those 5 students may not go for IBDP in the end, but IB certificate instead. In such case, ...

I wish they take up IBDP and drop HKDSE instead.
Good IB learning is more than just results and or double exam. Learning is forever and good for the kids in studying and career planning; enter double exam is meaningless and doing no extra benefits for them, but for the school.......

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I agree to almost all of your points. Only one consideration you may have also noticed is that there do exist some students who are not fit for IBDP. So I think it's alright for some students to take a few IB subjects and at the same time stick to other curriculum provided by school, by which they feel comfortable and confident. Well, of course, not all schools are able to provide so many options for their students.

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Agree, thanks for your reminder, your suggestion is the best interest to the students. I will review my previous posts, add back your suggestion if applicable.

Of course, resource is another consideration.

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hhy2007 發表於 12-3-24 21:14
I guess those 5 students may not go for IBDP in the end, but IB certificate instead. In such case, ...

我都差 d 唔記得有 ib certificate 呢樣野；可能到最後真係轉去讀 ib certificate 都未定。

hhy2007 你小朋友學校 ibdp + ap，係好唔同，美國好多學校都係咁，因為 ap 好 flexible，隨時考都得，又可以分科考。

但 ib + dse，我覺得根本係瘋狂。兩個課程都唔 flexible，係 package deal，要咁多科一齊讀一齊考。
dse 我唔熟。
但個個都知 ibdp 忙到嘔，朋友個女早兩年讀 lpc，精英喇卦？人地都話好忙好忙。
唔知呢間真 x 有幾掂，可以教到 d 學生咁勁，可以一面應付 ibdp d workload，又可以同時應付 dse，呢個 model，連 dbs 都唔搞膽做。

好戥呢班學生擔心。