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英基 2號仔上周末球場踢人暴力事件,越拆越多事,原本主辦單位車路士足球學校(香港)昨發表內部審判結果,表示「會對該名球員作出嚴重處分」,以為事件得以解決;怎知「起飛腳」的「英基」同時向傑志總領隊伍健及傑志家長張堅庭(小圖)發出律師信,後者表示將以「受害者」家長去信英基,要求道歉。

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發表於 12-3-14 13:28 |只看該作者
很霸道!!

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本帖最後由 ziyi 於 12-3-14 13:33 編輯

學校是什麼地方,不是教育我們的孩子有正確的價值觀,分辨是非對錯,教導孩子們行為錯誤時,需要改正的地方嗎?
現在他們如此做時,跟黑社會有什麼分別,一個是用行為暴力恐嚇人,而他們是用金錢,權力,法律的灰色恐嚇人
根本沒有分別!!
當我們的法律不再是申張正義,而淪落為一件有錢人的工具時,下一個受害者是我們了,而英基的做法等同於教育孩子不要承擔過錯,不用反省行為,有錢有可以了,法律是可以亂用的
英基是受政府資助的學校...我是一名納稅人,是出資的其中一人
應該有權利叫政府因此事暫停英基的資助,將決定出律師信的人解職,處罰
叫我們的孩子不會受不良的價值觀影響.
這樣的人作為教育工作者是不可接受的.

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SCKnight  :;pppp:國際學校攞納稅人啲錢黎發癲倒是非?:;pppp:  發表於 12-3-14 22:03
chulay  Agreed.  發表於 12-3-14 16:40

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發表於 12-3-14 14:11 |只看該作者
這麼爛? 真是嚇人一跳!

>英基是受政府資助的學校...我是一名納稅人,是出資的其中一人
應該有權利叫政府因此事暫停英基的資助,將決定出律師信的人解職,處罰

非常同意!

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回覆:惡人先告狀 - 英基出律師信要人刪片

到底而家係咩世界,公理何在 !



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發表於 12-3-14 17:32 |只看該作者
一個事實的錄影片段,要出到律師信去冊除.......
還要由一間學校出的,香港人的下一代恐怕都不認分對與錯.......
Good Luck!


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發表於 12-3-14 19:08 |只看該作者
好過份!!     

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發表於 12-3-14 19:58 |只看該作者
D小朋友係街無規矩,唔守禮, D人實話:你學校無教架?英基D無品學生真係可以大大聲答:我學校真係無教架!

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發表於 12-3-14 20:04 |只看該作者

引用:D小朋友係街無規矩,唔守禮,+D人實話:你學校

原帖由 abinayams 於 12-03-14 發表
D小朋友係街無規矩,唔守禮, D人實話:你學校無教架?英基D無品學生真係可以大大聲答:我學校真係無教架! ...
仲有可以話:我學校教我惡人先告狀,所以我而家要告你、出埋律師信告你添!



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發表於 12-3-14 21:48 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 宏媽 於 12-3-14 21:48 編輯

作為家長, 我地都好憤怒. 但無論幾嬲, 我地都要理性D去睇呢件事.

第一, 英基認為這個學生嚴重犯錯, 會跟進處理.

第二, 香港依家有個公審的風氣, 一有什麼看不過眼就放上網公審.
我見大部份討論, 都傾向認為校風, 教練, 家長有很大責任. 事實亦如此.
但片段放上網, 畢竟對果個學生會有好大影響.
有邊個會想面對公審? 即使成年人都未必頂得住.
校方保護番個小朋友, 我覺得都好應份.
如一時衝動犯下大錯的是我們的子女, 我們都會認同要教育及懲罰,
但我們絕對不會想被公審, 對嗎?

我在香港一般學校工作, 兩個小朋友都係讀英基, 其實英基校風好純樸.  
同香港的好學校一樣.
但係管教方法的確係唔一樣, 香港學校係防止學生犯錯, 而英基則是透過
建立校風和文化去管理學生. 學校成員好清楚乜野做得, 乜野唔做得.
做錯事要承擔後果, 一樣會見家長, 一樣要改過. 但每個人對自己負責任,
知道點解唔做得某D事情, 而唔係只係因怕罰而表面唔做衰野, 背地裡就做.

睇咗踼波段片, 都見到英基啲細路係好狼, 好茅. 球技又好一般.
我都覺得教到隊波咁, 教練真係好唔掂.
將14-0 說成3-2亦有問題, 唔知係唔係球會和教練的問題.

球場上表現, 又好難同家教扯上關係.
因為幾乖的小朋友, 在比賽場上, 又係另一個人.
但對學校內的校風, 我都好有信心. 正如好多家長都有講,
間間學校都有好學生, 曳學生. 但我仔的同學大部份都純品, 有家教.
而學校出律師信保護番個學生, 我覺得都應該.
但最緊要係從事件中汲取教訓,   檢討成件事的成因及日後點樣避免同類事件.

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ziyi  我們不是應該這樣嗎?要學生明白,當穿上了校隊的服裝,校服,不再是個人!!
學校現在沒有好好處理  發表於 12-3-15 11:48
ziyi  係點都不對,不要說檢討了,學校根本要整頓,未整頓好前,一律禁止參加比賽
要學生明白,比賽是有規則的,比賽是公平競技的,做唔到,那不要參加  發表於 12-3-15 11:47
ziyi  檢討 - ESF沒有能力管理好學生之前,禁止參賽 (這是世界的方向)
原因 - 好像說是對方找麻煩,但記得2006世界杯決賽嗎?施丹因對方的言語做出的行為?  發表於 12-3-15 11:44

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本帖最後由 spmok1999 於 12-3-14 22:29 編輯

細時偷針, 大時偷金, 細時起腳, 大時揸刀....
看當時的情況擺到明係 "畜" 意傷人, 同尋仇冇咩分別, 應可列為刑視, 如果係成年人監都有得坐, 唔係有錢就大晒, 如果o係大陸發生呢d事, 好彩只是被打一身, 唔好彩的話分分鐘打跛腳....

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回覆:惡人先告狀 - 英基出律師信要人刪片

其實英基除咗出律師信俾受害人外,仲有冇其他行動?譬如表示歉意、慰問傷者咁?佢只説對事件表示遺憾,好似覺得自己就冇做錯㗎喇!傷人者要被保護,俾人踢個細路就要接律師信!表示下慰問,道句歉都好吖,仲咁囂張!有冇理下人嘅感受!



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發表於 12-3-15 09:53 |只看該作者
1. 如果係要保護學生,唔需要出律師信,相反,可以出公告,嚴正說學生有犯錯,我們正在處理,同時請俾機會小朋友改過及正常生活下,可否有上載影片的自行下載.
這樣會否更好?
而不是這樣強行的

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發表於 12-3-15 10:00 |只看該作者
Maybe ES"X" parents  like the school management so much as no matter what their children have done outside, the school management will protect them.

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宏媽 發表於 12-3-14 21:48
作為家長, 我地都好憤怒. 但無論幾嬲, 我地都要理性D去睇呢件事.

第一, 英基認為這個學生嚴重犯錯, 會跟進 ...

第一,學校搞清楚是誰上載了嗎?
第二,要保護學生,可以,出律師信給上載的,可以!那出律師信給傑志的領隊又為了什麼?

而且,未出律師信時,大家都覺得學校在處理/主辦團體在處理,根本是一單小新聞
而我也沒有留意,但當學校出這樣警告意思的律師信時,一切變質了.

不要找理由,現在不是怪責學生,家長,現在要說是學校做錯了,而且是拿納稅人的錢去做了不應該的事

應該做的事是請求人的原諒,請求別人俾機會小朋友,而不是用這強權的方式,這不是錯誤的教育嗎!!

認清事實,這裡主要是說學校出律師信行為有問題!!方法咁多,卻用了最不好的.

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發表於 12-3-15 10:19 |只看該作者
Originally, I think this problem can handle much better. If the school management can accompany with that boy/coach and apologise on thise, then the problem will go easily.

But the school managment just let small problem become big problem, big problem become crisis. Honestly, I don't know how they can teach and cultivate good students...

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發表於 12-3-15 10:55 |只看該作者
英基給家長的信:

To   :      Parents with children in -

ESF schools;
Discovery College;
Renaissance College;
Kindergartens; and
ESL Sports

Dear Parent

ESF Lions Football Incident

I am writing to you because there has been a good deal of understandable concern about an incident during a football match organised by ESF Educational Services Limited (ESL), an affiliate company of ESF, which is not subvented, and whose board I chair.  The match was an Under-12 game between ESF Lions and Kitchee Escola.  A ten-year-old player (we have established that he is ten, not eleven) was videoed making a kick that contacted the head of a Kitchee Escola player.

Let me say first very clearly that ESF and ESL deeply regret any injury that was caused to the young Escola player.  The Chief Operating Officer of ESL, Ann Pearce, wrote on Monday to the boy’s father and the Head Football Coach has also written to the Chairman of Kitchee Football Club expressing their regret.  We accept the disciplinary action that the Hong Kong Development League Association has taken.  I understand that the parent of the injured child has referred the matter to the police and we will cooperate fully with any police investigation.

However, we are also concerned about the impact on the young ESF Lions player of the very public posting of an edited video on YouTube showing these events.  By Tuesday afternoon, only 72 hours after the match, there had been more than 20,000 views.  Under the film clip a large number of comments had been posted, making aggressive and threatening remarks about the ESF Lions player and his coach.  From Sunday evening ESL had been asking Kitchee Football Club to use their good offices to request the removal of the video.  ESL approached the Club because there is no ready central access to YouTube and we did not know the name of the person who had posted the film.  As the film clips (now two of them) were still being shown on Tuesday morning and the number of views and comments was growing, ESL asked its lawyer to write to the parent who we believed had posted one of the clips and the Kitchee Football Club Chairman to press our request for the removal of the film clips.  The lawyer’s letter makes clear our concern about the injury to the Kitchee Football Club child and is designed solely to get the video clips closed down because of the distress that the offensive comments were causing to the ESF Lions player and his family.

We have also commented about our disappointment that the Hong Kong Development League released its findings to journalists, from whom we learnt of them, before making them known to the ESF Lions player, his family, the coach or ESL and without an explanation of what the ‘disciplinary action’ would constitute.

I am very sorry indeed that parents have been distressed by this incident and I repeat my own deep regret that a child who played for the Kitchee Escola team was injured.  All of the adults involved in physical sporting activities, managers, coaches, referees, spectators and parents, have a responsibility to teach children fair and responsible sporting behaviour and ESL is committed to the highest standards in that respect.  Appropriate action will be taken to deal with this incident, but, as we do that, we have also to ensure that criticism of a ten-year-old who made a serious mistake does not get out of hand.

I ask for your support in allowing us to manage the follow-up to this matter in a firm and appropriate way but out of the spotlight of the social media which is too harsh an environment for a child to be exposed to.


Yours sincerely,


Heather Du Quesnay
Chief Executive Officer, English Schools Foundation
Chairman, Board of Directors, ESF Educational Services Limited


cc    :       ESF Board of Governors
                Committee of School Council Chairmen
                Principals
                ESF Senior Management Team
                ESF Education Team
                Ann Pearce, Chief Operating Officer, ESF Educational Services Ltd
                All Staff – ESF and ESL


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發表於 12-3-15 11:34 |只看該作者
宏媽 發表於 12-3-15 10:55
英基給家長的信:
To   :      Parents with children in -ESF schools;
Discovery College;

這封信是完全避重就輕就輕.
說到好無奈的,已經先學校出了一次信,但沒有效果,所以才用律師信
第一,當自己不對時,是否需要有誠意去道歉及要求協助,而誠意是出信?一封信就算,唔要拉倒,我就有理由用文明但黑社會的行為-律師信?
信裡有沒有交代對方的回答?

第二,原來我們拍攝,在照片/影像裡的人,或團體是有責任能力去停止拍攝者的行為

這是癲倒黑白,傑志沒有火上加油,這已經是在協助,而原來這樣就成了有責任了.

如果學校覺得要保護學生,可以報警求助,而不是強迫一個根本不關事的團體負責.

這完全的黑白不分,過份利用法律,這人有能力領導好學校,管理好學校,最需要負責的就是他了,不是學生/家長,麻煩將事件擴大的罪魁禍首炒了吧

越看越覺得是這人有問題.沒有處理危機的能力,沒有好好保護學生,使用錯誤的方法,不懂尊重人

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SUNWONG9861  幫自己人,很正常!!  發表於 12-3-15 12:01
spmok1999  咁攬個細路關係一定非淺, 如果民事索償唔知校方會唔會負責賠償, 我就覺得好嚴重, 受傷的小朋友身心受創, 可能對往後的生活受到深遠影響...
  發表於 12-3-15 11:48

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發表於 12-3-15 11:35 |只看該作者
宏媽 發表於 12-3-14 21:48
作為家長, 我地都好憤怒. 但無論幾嬲, 我地都要理性D去睇呢件事.

第一, 英基認為這個學生嚴重犯錯, 會跟進 ...

我看片段,個英基學生應該去跆拳道比賽。球場上這樣的表現,平日的行為會很好,我個人就不信。

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spmok1999  就算係跆拳道比賽都犯規啦, 要即時取消資格仲要罰, 可能還要保留法津上o既追究權利...
  發表於 12-3-15 11:42
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