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Pelican

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發表於 07-6-11 13:06 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

agneslth 寫道:
Dear inho,

Thanks for your detailed reply : ) ！

Actually I had read an article posted 2 years ago, in which mentioned about the quality of ESF primary schools as follows:

「英基7校教學欠佳 10小學首個自評報告水平參差
6月 3日 星期五

【明報專訊】被審計署批評「管理不善、浪費公帑」 的英基學校協會，公布成立40年來首個視學報告。報告綜合10所小學表現，反映教學質素參差，除其中3所小學水平良好外，其餘7所小學平均兩成課堂教學水 平欠佳（unsatisfactory），最嚴重一所的教學欠佳課堂比例更高達31%。英基教育發展總監甘榮恩形容，報告部分內容令人失望，但已作出改進。

http://hk.news.yahoo.com/050602/12/1d4in.html」

That is why I have a little doubt about the quality of ESF schools.

Any update info regarding this subject?



I would like to know more about the report too. I tried the news link quoted but it does not seem to be working anymore.

Whilst people are doubting the quality of ESF schools, I am also interested in knowing the "specifications" of the report.

Who did the inspection? Did they have the expertise in inspecting international schools? Did they have experience or did they know well about education in other countries?

I am particularly interested in knowing what "parts" or "qualities" of the ESF schools they found to be "unsatisfactory". If they are using the same criteriors they used when inspecting local schools, and with the mind or mentality set just the same as they inspected local schools, I am not surprised they might find international schools "not up to their standard". For one, I think local schools cannot bear with students challenging teachers and local school students are not expected to find their own ways by themselves in learning new things.

And by the way, the report said that that was the first ever inpection. I am interested in knowing whether they have since conducted another inspection?

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inho

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發表於 07-6-11 18:24 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

joyfung 寫道:
Dear inho,

Do you have children in IS or ESF schools?

Thanks to CWBS and the teachers. They work very hard and put great efforts to teach our children.
Teachers would tell us what topics and contents they will teach in the coming week. We would try to help our children at home. For example, do the reading diary and spelling together with the children.

Besides, the school has run several seminars and workshops for parents. And, it has open day for parents every year. Parents can go to any classrooms to visit their lessons. What I can see is that the teaching skills are good and all children particiate. Besides, good discipline can be found in all classrooms (except in P.1, a bit noise may found, anyway, they are only 5.). All children know to raise the hand first before speaking.


Dear joyfung,

Thanks for your sharing. I think all ESF schools and the teachers go in similar ways. Students there enjoy learning and can learn very well without doing a lot of  repetitive homework and taking formal tests and examinations. They enjoy reading and generally have very good command of English. That's also why ESF is always a good choice.   

Please check the PM from my son.

inho

     

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inho

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發表於 07-6-15 17:56 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

father_ho 寫道:
Very good comment from all the parent for IS school life against local one. There is still one concern for me is the Chinese element. May be I am too greedy, to me Chinese subject is not just learn some character and speaking in PTH. To my understanding, it should be the Chinese culture and appreciation which private tutoring can not cope with it. I can not bear the traditional teaching method either I can not give up the Chinese element so I let my child still studying in private pri. school. If school providing for 80% english and 10 or 20%, then it would rather 100% english. But if 100% english, they(kids) will then be the 2nd class group in western countries(race discrmination, don't tell me you believe in total equality). Any idea about the issue?


Dear all,

For many parents, consideration of children's langauge development is not easy. It is involved in   knowledge acquiry, value and identity formation, career development, etc..

I have gone beyond the worries about the indequacy of Chinese langauge in IS for my children. My ideas are:

1) Using English as a main language really enhances acquiry of new knowledge. Since English is a widely adopted leanguage internationally, many new publications and presentations are in English.   

2) Good English means also being competent or easier to learn other langauges. For example, good phonics in English can be good at pinyin (拼音) in Mandarin; teachers teaching French usually conduct lessons in English.

3) Langauge contains some values. English speaking Children are more likely to have and express some western ideas, e.g. fairness, freedom.

4) It is good that IS students learn Chinese with Mandarin. Some local schools go this way as well.  Due to the different exposure times to learn Chinese, naturally the Chinese level of IS studetns is not so high as that of local school students. However,  many IS students learn "little" but really show their good command of the Chinese they learned, e.g. Mandarin accent and the order of strokes.      

5) Family socialization and after school class work!
Parents can teach IS kids Chinese and the kids can learn more Chinese in additional Chinese lessons. The relatively lower Chinese level does not mean that IS students do not know Chinese. IS children with more family input and extra Chinese class can be good at Chinese.

Your ideas?

inho      

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joyfung

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發表於 07-6-18 08:37 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

Kumon Chinese program provides wide varieties of readings (traditional or simplified Chinese with Pin Yin).  I think it helps IS children to learn Chinese.
inho 寫道:
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father_ho 寫道:
Very good comment from all the parent for IS school life against local one. There is still one concern for me is the Chinese element. May be I am too greedy, to me Chinese subject is not just learn some character and speaking in PTH. To my understanding, it should be the Chinese culture and appreciation which private tutoring can not cope with it. I can not bear the traditional teaching method either I can not give up the Chinese element so I let my child still studying in private pri. school. If school providing for 80% english and 10 or 20%, then it would rather 100% english. But if 100% english, they(kids) will then be the 2nd class group in western countries(race discrmination, don't tell me you believe in total equality). Any idea about the issue?


Dear all,

For many parents, consideration of children's langauge development is not easy. It is involved in   knowledge acquiry, value and identity formation, career development, etc..

I have gone beyond the worries about the indequacy of Chinese langauge in IS for my children. My ideas are:

1) Using English as a main language really enhances acquiry of new knowledge. Since English is a widely adopted leanguage internationally, many new publications and presentations are in English.   

2) Good English means also being competent or easier to learn other langauges. For example, good phonics in English can be good at pinyin (拼音) in Mandarin; teachers teaching French usually conduct lessons in English.

3) Langauge contains some values. English speaking Children are more likely to have and express some western ideas, e.g. fairness, freedom.

4) It is good that IS students learn Chinese with Mandarin. Some local schools go this way as well.  Due to the different exposure times to learn Chinese, naturally the Chinese level of IS studetns is not so high as that of local school students. However,  many IS students learn "little" but really show their good command of the Chinese they learned, e.g. Mandarin accent and the order of strokes.      

5) Family socialization and after school class work!
Parents can teach IS kids Chinese and the kids can learn more Chinese in additional Chinese lessons. The relatively lower Chinese level does not mean that IS students do not know Chinese. IS children with more family input and extra Chinese class can be good at Chinese.

Your ideas?

inho      
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YOSASHTO

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發表於 07-6-19 11:53 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

Kumon was recommended to us by our son's Reception 1 Chinese teacher at HKIS.  She said that even local school kids who attend Kumon Chinese classes can write much better essays than those who don't.  However, we did not send our son there.

My reason is that learning a language (or anything for that matter) should be fun and lively, and Kumon's methodology (i.e. drills) is too academic and boring.  We opted for hiring a private tutor to come to our house and talk to our son.  The lessons are not linked to school work, since we don't want him to rely on her to get his homework done.  I just bought some simple Chinese books, and they read together, and have discussions about the stories.

But for parents who don't mind the Kumon methodology, I would recommend it based on the comments from my son's teacher.

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lulusing

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發表於 07-6-21 05:55 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

YOSASHTO 寫道:
Kumon was recommended to us by our son's Reception 1 Chinese teacher at HKIS.  She said that even local school kids who attend Kumon Chinese classes can write much better essays than those who don't.  However, we did not send our son there.

My reason is that learning a language (or anything for that matter) should be fun and lively, and Kumon's methodology (i.e. drills) is too academic and boring.  We opted for hiring a private tutor to come to our house and talk to our son.  The lessons are not linked to school work, since we don't want him to rely on her to get his homework done.  I just bought some simple Chinese books, and they read together, and have discussions about the stories.

But for parents who don't mind the Kumon methodology, I would recommend it based on the comments from my son's teacher.


With similar reasons, I didn't send my chidren there either. However, it's said that the classmates studying Kumon are good at Chinese. It depends on parents' judgement and final decision.   

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joyfung

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發表於 07-6-22 09:24 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

Kumon Chinese doesn't like Kumon Math. Children do not need to repeat and repeat exercising. My children take Kumon Chinese but not Kumon Math because I don't think doing loads of math drilling is suitable for my children also.
Kumon Chinese is actually a reading program. Loads of reading passages are provided (stories, history, science, etc.) Audio CDs help the children to learn the mandarin well.  If the child enjoy reading, he would not find it boring.

Chinese is not easy to learn. It is much harder than learning English.


YOSASHTO 寫道:
Kumon was recommended to us by our son's Reception 1 Chinese teacher at HKIS.  She said that even local school kids who attend Kumon Chinese classes can write much better essays than those who don't.  However, we did not send our son there.

My reason is that learning a language (or anything for that matter) should be fun and lively, and Kumon's methodology (i.e. drills) is too academic and boring.  We opted for hiring a private tutor to come to our house and talk to our son.  The lessons are not linked to school work, since we don't want him to rely on her to get his homework done.  I just bought some simple Chinese books, and they read together, and have discussions about the stories.

But for parents who don't mind the Kumon methodology, I would recommend it based on the comments from my son's teacher.

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