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樓主: elmobb	go St. paul's convent vs marymount [複製鏈接]

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發表於 06-11-24 19:17 |只看該作者

Re: St. paul's convent vs marymount

瑪利曼其實都是以本地課程為骨幹,一樣要教授中英文,不過這種雙語環璄就跟大部份本地學校不同.最普遍的情況是,中文遠超英文,而聖保祿是少數做到雙語又良好又平衡的學校.瑪利曼就向英語傾斜(個人意見是大幅傾斜,有學生連自己的母語亦弄不清楚).

A friend told me that the English standard of MSS is not better than St. Paul's convent (at list the result in HKCEE is not as good as St. Paul's convent). So if your statements is true, that means MSS's girls are not smart enough.

On the other hand, in secondary school forum, we find that MSS got a great improvement in every subject, and we know the HKCEE result of MSS is not so excellent that every student got 1A in average. Does it mean the students’ intake in form 1 is not good enough? Can I conclude that the primary school standard is not good enough?

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發表於 06-11-24 20:55 |只看該作者

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Dear andrew,

Thanks for this paradox though I don't like this extract of my writing as it doesn't reflect the theme.

My writing is aimed at characterizing marymount and stating that studying at local universities is an option, not a must, for a lot of marymounters.  And so English culture and stuff are all very critical.

However, let's take your questions as a fresh discussion.  MSS really got a great ""improvement"" (no offence, but I doubt whether it is an accurate translation), not on a school basis but on individual student basis.  You must have known well the new 3-category banding replacement of the old 5-category one.  The form one intakes of non-MPS graduates (and so do other government subsidized schools) are giving them challenges.  Schools have to react to it.  And for SPC, the school takes in >90% of its primary school students and the banding doesn't trouble SPC.  The "through-train" school concept is definitely an advantage.

And no, I don't reckon you can conclude that the primary school standard by this piece of news.  But you can conclude that MSS has been equipped to deal with the challenges derived from banding and other educational reforms.

By "smart", I believe you mean "academically outstanding". No offence again, these two things are not interchangeable.  I have been following the HKCEE Eng results for some schools for years.  I do not come up with your friend's conclusion, e.g.  in 2005, both schools got about 80% credit rate and 30% distinction rate.  For other subjects like science and chinese, the numbers do show SPC is doing better.

However, for the captioned theme, I do not hope people confining themselves to HKCEE in contrasting these two schools or may miss the bigger picture.  The school academic performance is of course important, but not as important as your daughter's own development.  The priority I keep repeating goes to finding a place for your daughter's best fit-in.  If, after introspection, one thinks the girl's characters match marymount, then you have marymount.  If she's SPC, then SPC.  Next, choice of further study is also a consideration.

Wish you kids had a bright future.

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發表於 06-11-24 21:07 |只看該作者

Re: St. paul's convent vs marymount

leschelems

May I ask which school were you from? Your English is very very good

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發表於 06-11-24 21:31 |只看該作者

Re: St. paul's convent vs marymount

Dear leschelems,

e.g. in 2005, both schools got about 80% credit rate and 30% distinction rate.

in 2004-2005, MSS result is : 30.7%A, 53.5%A-C,
St Paul Convent:31.4%A, 77.1%A-C.

in 2005-2006, St paul Convent drop a little bit, but MSS still does not release it's result.

I cannot find other subjects results of St. Paul Convent, so I cannot make sure does St. Paul Convent's result better than MSS.

You must have known well the new 3-category banding replacement of the old 5-category one. The form one intakes of non-MPS graduates (and so do other government subsidized schools) are giving them challenges. Schools have to react to it. And for SPC, the school takes in >90% of its primary school students and the banding doesn't trouble SPC. The "through-train" school concept is definitely an advantage.

If we are talking this year or last year's HKCEE result, I think St Paul Convent was still a Subsidile school at that time, so the students intake policy was the same between two school at that time.

I think "through-train" school concept is not an advantage. for MSS, she can at least drop the band 3 group and collect the band 1 students in form 1, however, St Paul Convent must must receive all her primary students.

I think the main difference is DSS policy, The DSS school concept is definitely an advantage.

My son will promote to F1 next year, I am searching good schools for him, to my surprise, if we don't count the students intake, most DSS schools are very good indeed.

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發表於 06-11-24 21:37 |只看該作者

Re: St. paul's convent vs marymount

幼兒園學費唔止五萬幾架！

HK$5,250 x 12 x 4 = HK$252,000　

肉都赤埋！

leschelems 寫道:

”反之,聖保祿就特別受中產歡迎,云云私立/直資當中,聖保祿學費算是相宜,幼兒園五萬多元,幼稚園小學中學二萬多元,從幼兒園升至中學有相當保證.”

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發表於 06-11-24 21:47 |只看該作者

Re: St. paul's convent vs marymount

The official Marymount HKCEE 2005 results can be found at Marymount's website.  Try this

http://www.mss.edu.hk/Achievement/hkcee/ce2005/ce2005.htm

It shows distinction and credit rates are 30.7% and 77.2% respectively if you don't like the rounding off. More or less the same as SPC.

In addressing your questions, I talked about HKCEE and "through-train" concept in two separate paragraphs without constructing a causal relationship for the current situation.

For the rest, it goes off course a bit from the captioned theme.  I respect people forming their own opinions on our education system.

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發表於 06-11-24 21:53 |只看該作者

Re: St. paul's convent vs marymount

真低估了聖保祿家長的經濟負擔.原來現在幼兒園學費要六萬元一年.

twokidsmum 寫道:
幼兒園學費唔止五萬幾架！

HK$5,250 x 12 x 4 = HK$252,000　

肉都赤埋！

[quote]
leschelems 寫道:

”反之,聖保祿就特別受中產歡迎,云云私立/直資當中,聖保祿學費算是相宜,幼兒園五萬多元,幼稚園小學中學二萬多元,從幼兒園升至中學有相當保證.”

[/quote]

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發表於 06-11-24 21:54 |只看該作者

Re: St. paul's convent vs marymount

andrew 寫道:

in 2004-2005, MSS result is : 30.7%A, 53.5%A-C,
St Paul Convent:31.4%A, 77.1%A-C.

in 2005-2006, St paul Convent drop a little bit, but MSS still does not release it's result.

in 2004-2005, MSS result is : 30.7%A, 53.5%A-C
should be
in 2004-2005, MSS result is : 30.7%A, [size=small]77.2%A-C

Figures obtained from the MSS School Website!

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發表於 06-11-24 21:57 |只看該作者

Re: St. paul's convent vs marymount

cczzko 寫道:
[quote]
andrew 寫道:

in 2004-2005, MSS result is : 30.7%A, 53.5%A-C,
St Paul Convent:31.4%A, 77.1%A-C.

in 2005-2006, St paul Convent drop a little bit, but MSS still does not release it's result.

in 2004-2005, MSS result is : 30.7%A, 53.5%A-C
should be
in 2004-2005, MSS result is : 30.7%A, [size=small]77.2%A-C

Figures obtained from the MSS School Website!

[/quote]

cczzko,

I copy the wrong column, you are right.

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發表於 06-11-24 23:28 |只看該作者

Re: St. paul's convent vs marymount

Leschelems,

Please help to explain how to intrepret the girl's characters whether she fits SPC or marymount?

My girl is 外向, 有創意，英文及數理科好　but　唔夠主動，服從性高，　容易受朋輩影響，which school is more suitable for her to improve her character in the weak area?

leschelems 寫道:
The priority I keep repeating goes to finding a place for your daughter's best fit-in. If, after introspection, one thinks the girl's characters match marymount, then you have marymount. If she's SPC, then SPC. Next, choice of further study is also a consideration.

Wish you kids had a bright future.

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發表於 06-11-27 13:27 |只看該作者

Re: St. paul's convent vs marymount

明心道寫道:
leschelems & zizz,

照你們咁講,MPS係唔係真係咁適合去外國讀書?

暫時計劃仍是以留在香港升讀大學為主.

無論出國或留港，中英都一樣重要．

我總不明白，如兩間學校會考成績相距不遠，是否還值得去比較或爭論？

那間學校適合自己的小朋友？自己的負擔能力（包括經濟，時間，愛心）？其實自己不是很清楚嗎？

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發表於 06-11-27 13:51 |只看該作者

Re: St. paul's convent vs marymount

我都覺得係,會考成績邊間好少少,就代表自己個小朋友係咁嗎?唔通真係會因為揀左一間差少少既,會考成績就會因此而差少少嗎?本身係唔差既,可能學校既成績,都會因為自己個小朋友而改變添......如果兩間都係相若既學校,我覺得唔應該淨係比較學術既問題,應該選一間適合自己既學校

好似大女以前中學學校咁,前年出左個20分既會考生(歷年最好的),咁個個都以為下一年既某一top學生可以有20分會考(同學咁諗),但結果,全校最高得13分,連14分都無......咁我女話佢死梗.....咁我又話唔係的....因為真係因人而異,因為好學校,好學生多得是,所以每年都好平均的.....學校老師係重要,但都要睇埋收生既質素,要睇收生既質素,即係話想要乜成績,係要睇自己既質素囉

zizz 寫道:

我總不明白，如兩間學校會考成績相距不遠，是否還值得去比較或爭論？

那間學校適合自己的小朋友？自己的負擔能力（包括經濟，時間，愛心）？其實自己不是很清楚嗎？

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發表於 06-11-27 16:15 |只看該作者

Re: St. paul's convent vs marymount

冇錯, 呢

All You Need is Love!!

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發表於 06-11-27 21:41 |只看該作者

Re: St. paul's convent vs marymount

Dear all,
Any open Day for St.paul's convent and MM?I really want to visit the schools and know more about them. Many thanks.


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發表於 06-12-12 23:30 |只看該作者

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發表於 06-12-13 08:22 |只看該作者

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木土土,

I didn't notice your request as the topic had died down for a while.

I am just a humble parent who cares my kid's education a lot and loves to share my experience.  Never dream of analyzing and doing consulting like a pyschologist or an educationalist.  But I do reckon it's us who hold the accoutability to raise our kids.  Schooling is not a solution to character issues.  It's just an effective mean for development.  My previous writing argues that a match of school and children gives the best mean as schooling which in turns facilitates the growth of the children.

For your daughter's case, it seems she's good.  She may need encouragement and more intimacy with you.  If I were you, I would look into parenting rather than schooling.

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Leschelems,

Please help to explain how to intrepret the girl's characters whether she fits SPC or marymount?

My girl is 外向, 有創意，英文及數理科好　but　唔夠主動，服從性高，　容易受朋輩影響，which school is more suitable for her to improve her character in the weak area?

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