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樓主: ptsamm	go Piano Learning [複製鏈接]

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發表於 05-9-1 21:11 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

Teresa 寫道:
ptsamm,

Junior music group有很多, 我仔上過一個月Tom Lee Music Wonderland, 不過我同老公都覺得$同效果唔成正比.

我都有同感.
所以我個女學o左一期之後,就同佢轉o左去另一間
機構(樂團)學. 那裡會用音名(CDEFGAB)去學習看五線譜，而不是像TOM LXX那樣用唱名(do-re-me)．我本身都有鋼琴７級的程度，以學琴為例，一定要學”讀五線譜”，學會一看便知那個是什麼音，eg. C/G....etc.於是覺得如果比個女再在TOM LXX學下去，對她讀譜的能力一定幫助不大，什至會令她產生混淆．
現在我自己教個女彈琴，其實只係希望”啟蒙”她，到她大約5.5歲，便讓她正式跟老師個別學琴．其實，作為媽咪，真的很難專心教她彈琴，因為角色容易混淆，難以全面發揮老師的作用．
其實，真的很開心在這裡跟你們SHARE如何教自己
小朋友開拓音樂的領域．．．．

老實說，我的女女其實最鍾意：
打鼓＆吹笛子．．．所以可能我都不一定要她
像我以前那樣子學琴（考試）了．．．

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發表於 05-9-2 00:25 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

It's really an interesting topic!

I am a private tutor of violin and piano myself. I played music to my little boy at the early stage of my pregnancy. I tried to teach him for piano at his age of 3.5.  I decided to let him start fom this age becoz I have student of same age and learn well.

It was really tough at the very beginning. He just doesn't listen to me, keep playing, couldn't concetnrate... what I taught him he forgot in a minute.  I lost my temper almost everytime when we sat beside the piano.  His eyes run with tears in almost every practise. It never happened when I teach other kids. I was frustrated that why he couldn't perform as the other kids do. I talked to many people in this profession and they advised me to let him teach by someone else. The major reason is both my boy and me couldn't fix up the role(s) (ie a mother to be a teacher vs a son to be a student). At the time when I almost give up, I told myself "patience" is the key elements.  Instead of query why he couldn't perform what he should.  I asked myself why I couldn't be patience to him as when I taught other kids.

Situation improved after that. Now, he likes piano and beg me to teach him violin.  Everyday, when I said "it's time for piano practising", the answer is always "yes, coming!". I do not expect my boy to be a musician, I just what him to "know' music, "enjoy" and feels good when playing instrument.  Afterall,  the word patience also apply when I guiding him to do homework and other exercise.

Just a little sharing and sorry for too lengthy!

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發表於 05-9-2 09:31 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

Very happy to have so many sharing here. I think we can gain a lot of experiences from each others.

cheungpopo
You may be right. There should not be a clear cut for the starting age. As Vernique2005 said, "you will know the time".

Correct me if I'm wrong, I've the impression that you are a "strict" (sorry for saying that, there might be a better word than that

) teacher. Your kid should be playing piano very well under your instruction.

What's your requirements on your kids? i mean the progress, practising time, etc.

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發表於 05-9-2 09:42 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

Sindy,

Thank you for your sharing. I've found in the other topic that you have a gifted child. It should be double hard for bringing up a special kid like this.

You've already been doing a great job. Come and share more. There are lots of great teachers in BK.

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發表於 05-9-2 09:46 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

dsm

You are a very good example for we moms. I'm very agree with you that patient is the key element for teaching especially for our own kids. But other than that, is there any technique we can use to arouse their interest in learning and practising?

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發表於 05-9-2 10:05 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

LeBlue

轉o左去另一間機構(樂團)學,
What kind of 樂團? Is it worth recommend to others? Is it group class or individual class?

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發表於 05-9-2 13:27 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

我想我不會公開推介一些機構/樂團,
如有需要,可pm我.....
我的女女只參加了一個暑期節奏班, 她很enjoy,
每次老師都會分派不同的敲擊樂器給小朋友,
讓他們參與簡單的合奏.
而他們另外亦有個別教授小提琴,
不過我不打算比個女學, 有計劃比個女大一點才讓她自己
選擇一種樂器並專注的去學.
對於音樂課程,我比較著重老師的師資, 表達的能力,音準/節奏感. 另外, 教材是否多元化亦很重要,如果only對著一個keyboard, 並沒有其他樂器, 會dull 了一點. 而其實小朋友很喜歡參與一起律動, 唱歌, 跳舞和玩樂器的. 所以在內容和教具方面一定要生動,活潑&多樣化.
我覺得其實坊間也有很多有心推動音樂教育的團體,
不只是那一兩間大機構.
有時香港的文化實在有趣, 家長總喜歡選擇一些有名氣的大機構, 並不會花時間去深入了解和認識所學的範疇
(eg. 音樂),以為大機構的"出品",便一定有保證. 但據我個人經驗, 這未必是事實.像我女女之前參加的大機構的音樂課程, 我們參加了一期,便"急不及待"退出了. 之後的感受是:為何一間大機構可以聘請一些唱歌走音/生硬/缺乏節奏感的老師去教音樂班???如果再繼續參加下去, 只會覺得是
浪費時間&金錢, 亦會令女女愈來愈對音樂/唱歌無興趣.
**以上純屬個人感受, 並無意針對某機構**

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發表於 05-9-2 14:14 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

ptsamm 寫道:
Sindy,

Thank you for your sharing. I've found in the other topic that you have a gifted child. It should be double hard for bringing up a special kid like this.

You've already been doing a great job. Come and share more. There are lots of great teachers in BK.

我果個唔係gifted黎架喎

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發表於 05-9-2 14:44 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

Sindy

I'm sorry.

I really got little knowledge on gifted child. I just heard that your girl got perfect pitch without training. Right?

I thought that this is kind of gifted as perfect pitch is like

for us normal guys.

By the way, can your daughter play back a song after hearing it? I saw that some of them can do it. I just wonder are they playing it 100% correct at the first time? I can do it by trial and error

:tongue:

(please don't laugh)

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發表於 05-9-2 15:03 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

ptsamm 寫道:
Sindy

I'm sorry.   I really got little knowledge on gifted child. I just heard that your girl got perfect pitch without training. Right?

I thought that this is kind of gifted as perfect pitch is like   for us normal guys.

By the way, can your daughter play back a song after hearing it? I saw that some of them can do it. I just wonder are they playing it 100% correct at the first time? I can do it by trial and error

:tongue:   (please don't laugh)

我唔知佢可否play back首歌,正如另一個媽媽講,我可以試吓叫佢做dictation,但我唔得閒,所以無做,我諗單音,佢係無問題既比首歌佢寫返出黎............

I just wonder are they playing it 100% correct at the first time?
>>當我發現佢識聽音,佢已經99.99%準確可以講返出黎架啦,所以我當時都呆左,如果唔係bk琴會果邊有人提議玩聽音遊戲...我都唔知我女識聽音.........我唔知係唔係可以train(有人話唔得,就算可以都唔可以好似我女咁接近鋼琴上九成既鍵<<呢樣係小提琴阿sir講的,佢話佢都要一年半年先練到,但只係某幾個音,可能係調琴果d音)因為我女有學開琴的,所以我唔知佢係天生/train

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發表於 05-9-2 23:05 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

Dear LeBlue,
I would like to let my child to learn the piano or violin. Can you pm the name of the organisations that you would like to recommend to me. Thank you.

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發表於 05-9-3 11:59 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

Dear Vernique,

Welcome back!

之前妳話跟過上海音樂學院之老師學習, 她們會教到妳彈琴時用柔力來彈, 彈6-7 小時都唔覺得累.

呢種方法是否像耍太極咁(以柔制剛), 我彈琴時將頸,膊頭, 手肘, 手腕放軟, 好似玩絲帶咁.我試過好似得呀!

我雙膊頭覺得好舒服, 老師仲話我彈考試歌時有感情.

請教路!

TEN THOUSAND THANKS!

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發表於 05-9-3 22:48 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

LeBlue 寫道:
[quote]
Teresa 寫道:
ptsamm,

Junior music group有很多, 我仔上過一個月Tom Lee Music Wonderland, 不過我同老公都覺得$同效果唔成正比.

我都有同感.
所以我個女學o左一期之後,就同佢轉o左去另一間
機構(樂團)學. 那裡會用音名(CDEFGAB)去學習看五線譜，而不是像TOM LXX那樣用唱名(do-re-me)．我本身都有鋼琴７級的程度，以學琴為例，一定要學”讀五線譜”，學會一看便知那個是什麼音，eg. C/G....etc.於是覺得如果比個女再在TOM LXX學下去，對她讀譜的能力一定幫助不大，什至會令她產生混淆．
現在我自己教個女彈琴，其實只係希望”啟蒙”她，到她大約5.5歲，便讓她正式跟老師個別學琴．其實，作為媽咪，真的很難專心教她彈琴，因為角色容易混淆，難以全面發揮老師的作用．
其實，真的很開心在這裡跟你們SHARE如何教自己
小朋友開拓音樂的領域．．．．

老實說，我的女女其實最鍾意：
打鼓＆吹笛子．．．所以可能我都不一定要她
像我以前那樣子學琴（考試）了．．．

[/quote]

Hi LeBlue

Can u pm me the name of the 機構? Thanks a lot!

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發表於 05-9-3 23:49 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

I think there is no magic, just do it "firm" but NOT force.  Some parents encourage to finish homework/piano practising before do other things.  I think it's right in certain extend.  But for me, kids at their kinder age, "playing" is equally important (sorry for that, perhaps some mom won't agree).  I don't have a strict time table for his daily lives. But I request him to focus on what he is doing even for playing. And he has to complete what he should do in a day before dinner.

I see rare kids will practise their instrument by themself proactively, but I won't interrupt my boy to play piano when he is screwing with his dozen of toys vehicles. For him, piano is just another big toy and he has no hesitation in practising everyday. When he is practising, I firmly require him to concentrate. Therefore, it won't become a prolonged process. It turns up that he feels good when he complete a piano piece just like he fix up a puzzle.  He always ask to learn the next one without any force.

Many kids (and parents) feel excited at the beginning when start learning instrument and want to give up right after the excitment.  Try to help kids keep it as a habbit and become part of their daily lives.  As you know, learning an instrument is talking about years or even 10 years+.  I suggest if once decided to let it start, treat it as a long term exercise.  Excitment won't stay long but I believe a good learning habbit will benefit them life long.  Don't push too hard, when they are not doing good sometimes, take it easy. Be patient and never say give up easily.

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發表於 05-9-5 10:33 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

dsm
thank you so much. I absolutely agree with you. Study hard, play hard! hope I can learn more from you in teaching my gal.

Another topic, do you mom have any continuously self development on music?

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發表於 05-9-5 10:39 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

Vernique is another good teacher

Taiqi in Piano. I want to learn as well.

Yukyuk 寫道:
Dear Vernique,

Welcome back!

之前妳話跟過上海音樂學院之老師學習, 她們會教到妳彈琴時用柔力來彈, 彈6-7 小時都唔覺得累.

呢種方法是否像耍太極咁(以柔制剛), 我彈琴時將頸,膊頭, 手肘, 手腕放軟, 好似玩絲帶咁.我試過好似得呀!

我雙膊頭覺得好舒服, 老師仲話我彈考試歌時有感情.

請教路!

TEN THOUSAND THANKS!

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發表於 05-9-6 09:04 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

Dear ptsamm:

其實我教的最像俄羅斯的自由體操﹐你可以看到體操員沒有硬的肌肉﹐每一個動作都好柔軟。

有興趣可以看看有關Alexander Technique的參考書﹐這裡好像有很多媽媽自己都懂得彈琴啊﹗學懂這個方法後就算彈到好高級都不會拉傷手﹐眼見很多人彈到差不多就上不到去﹐真的很傷心的。最重要的是﹐你用這方法後會和自己的樂器有一種不同的關係﹐不同的琴對你來說會有不同的感覺

當然﹐這只是學琴的一部分﹐慢慢還要了解鋼琴和音樂歷史的演變﹐了解不同時代﹐不同國家﹐不同音樂家的風格﹐懂得分析琴譜後才能把音樂感完全發揮出來。你小朋友好像還很少﹖可以先從聽音樂開始啊﹗

(P。S﹕Yukyuk的問題我已經在初中部答了﹐有興趣可以去看看﹗)

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發表於 05-9-6 15:39 |只看該作者

Re: Piano Learning

I think 4-year-old is better than 3. I let my son learn playing piano at 4. His current piano teacher told me that she also recommended that children should not learn playing piano younger than 3-year-old.

Man :-)

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