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發表於 19-6-11 17:01 |只看該作者
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It would be just a loss loss situation to both the school and its students if you allow all of the band 3 students of the primary school to be promoted to its band 1 feeder secondary school.
under the current medium of instruction requirements, a EMI school need to have at least 85% of its S1 intakes being top 40% of students in hk in term of english learning capability - i.e. basically band 1 students and band 2 students good in english.

my son studied at sjps and he is now promoted to its feeder secondary school sjc. sjps has about 150 P6 graduates, about 110 are band 1 / 2 students and the remaining 40 students are band 3. There are 180 S1 places at sjc. if SJC accepts all the band 3 students of its feeder school, it can hardly meet the 85% requirement and its EMI school status will be at risk. besides, its public examination results will inevitably be deteriorated if it lowers its curriculum standards to accommodate the band 3 students. when sjc public examination results deteriorate, parents of band 1 students may choose other DSS or government / subsidized secondary schools with 100% band 1 intakes for their son. this will just become a vicious cycle.

for the band 3 students, it is still very challenging even sjc has resources and is willing to create a less demanding class for them. this is because the medium instruction is a major barrier. those band 3 students with lower proficiency in english will find the all english materials in every single subject very difficult to master. even they are willing to spend plenty of time in studying, they may end up using most of the time search the meaning of their unfamiliar vocabularies from the dictionary. it just doesn't work.

if sjc wants to be a thru-train school to accept all the sjps students, there are just two alternatives: -

1. transform to a DSS school to control the quality of its P1 intake by rejecting all the potential band 3 students at the very beginning; or
2. sjps to become a much pushy school to minimize the number of its band 3 students.

option 1 is an unlikely option as all lasallian schools are reluctant to do so while the effectiveness of option 2 is questionable.

sjps actually do its best to help its students who cannot be allocated to sjc. its principal will invite teachers from tang king po college, a good band 2 school in wanchai school net, to visit the primary school on the SSPA announcement day providing information about "knocking door" procedures to those students who need help.



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Thank you for the candid explanation. I often read your comments in EK respectfully.

(Strange, the pc version of EK doesn't show your last reply)

The English difficulty is a real problem for some students. I was one back then.

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KikiDaddy 發表於 19-6-11 17:01
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It would be just a loss loss situation to both the school and its students if you a ...
孔子教學原則:

有教無類, 但同時亦要 因材施教

勉強將B3水平學生推上B1中學, 是好事還是壞事?


還記得初為父母時,對孩子的期望嗎?我當時只想他/她平平安安,健健康康。
隨著時光飛逝,人的期望慢慢變了,變得越來越有要求。所以要經常提醒自己:毋忘初心
箴言4:23 - 你要保守你心,勝過保守一切,因為一生的果效是由心發出。
箴言22:6 - 教養孩童,使他走當行的道,就是到老他也不會偏離。

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發表於 19-6-11 18:10 |只看該作者
hkpapa852 發表於 19-6-11 17:33
孔子教學原則:

有教無類, 但同時亦要 因材施教

本帖最後由 Soundervolt 於 19-6-11 18:11 編輯

「有教無類」嘅意思係不論宗教,不論貧富,不論膚色嘅意思。

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發表於 19-6-11 18:18 |只看該作者
hkpapa852 發表於 19-6-11 17:33
孔子教學原則:

有教無類, 但同時亦要 因材施教

因材施教 was by the same teacher Confucius

因材施校 is a modern application

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Soundervolt 發表於 19-6-11 18:10
本帖最後由 Soundervolt 於 19-6-11 18:11 編輯

「有教無類」嘅意思係不論宗教,不論貧富,不論膚色嘅 ...

您的詮釋富現代意義。那麼無類分不分智愚呢?

「從《論語.先進》說孔子弟子高柴愚笨、曾參遲鈍來看,孔子對「愚鈍」的人也會用心教導,按學生資質因材施教,例如學生問「仁」是什麼,他回答樊遲、顏淵、仲弓、子張、司馬牛的說法都不同。 」

~~明報 (2014/06/18)「有教無類」 古義大不同

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nkd 發表於 19-6-11 18:37
您的詮釋富現代意義。那麼無類分不分智愚呢?

「從《論語.先進》說孔子弟子高柴愚笨、曾參遲鈍來看,孔 ...

孔子當年得一種學校,冇官津直私,有得讀書已經難過登天。其實而家好多教育團體都「因才施教」同「有教無類」,聖公會同喇沙會有B1到B3學校,實有一間可以「因才施教」,學生可以搵到適當佢地程度嘅學校。

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Soundervolt 發表於 19-6-11 18:51
孔子當年得一種學校,冇官津直私,有得讀書已經難過登天。其實而家好多教育團體都「因才施教」同「有教無 ...


我也欣賞教會辦學的。

孔子同期有老子的。到戰國時,顯學還有墨子。九流十家,很多門派的。

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本帖最後由 Yanamami 於 19-6-11 20:20 編輯

我觉得硬要將band1-3既学生-齐係同-学校教,就算係分唔同班唔同set唔通教材唔同速度,都係好唔efficient,效果唔会發揮得最好。反而而家band1直資將band1同学再分set或band2校开英文班精英班先係有效率同成效,真正因材施教既做法。

我自己-家两个女,唔同性格喜好能力,要因材施教已係-头煙,莫講話-间学校有band1-3既学生……

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發表於 19-6-11 21:02 |只看該作者
我明白勉強上書院可能是雙輸的悲劇。

這麼一來,小學則幸運兒通通不拒,叫有教無類。六年過後,不合者請識趣離開,叫因材施教。究竟是兩全其美,還是有誤兒童?

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但亦有官津名校可以做到一條龍教育,st mary.

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nkd 發表於 19-6-11 21:02
我明白勉強上書院可能是雙輸的悲劇。

這麼一來,小學則幸運兒通通不拒,叫有教無類。六年過後,不合者請識 ...

何為不合者?用同一把尺去度?無論是band 1 to 3 同學仔,現最终考同一個公開試,大家考同一份試卷,不合可能只係不合這個課程和考試制度。電視節目介紹過如德國高中分流學生,就好似以前香港工業學院,學生可案自己興趣和能力去讀一些實用課程,例如設計。英國也有BTEC (business and technology education council), 畢業生考獲某個成績,一樣可入大學。ESF 學生亦可選BTEC, IB 近年亦加入career-related programme。我知dse也有应用科目如旅遊,但如考生未能考獲33222, 亦無資助學位入場卷,对嗎?


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poonseelai 發表於 19-6-12 07:09
何為不合者?用同一把尺去度?無論是band 1 to 3 同學仔,現最终考同一個公開試,大家考同一份試卷,不合 ...


我意思不清楚?小六完結時不合適升讀直屬書院B1a中一程度。

向前推,小五小四B3同學不合全班程度,要不要去更合適學校?

向後推,中二中三B3同學(比方說運動員)不合全班程度,要不要去更合適學校?

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https://topick.hket.com/article/2373052/自學大學程度數學獲劍橋有條件取錄 喇沙尖子DSE考生︰後天努力比天分多

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本帖最後由 Soundervolt 於 19-6-12 18:58 編輯
nkd 發表於 19-6-12 08:12
我意思不清楚?小六完結時不合適升讀直屬書院B1a中一程度。

向前推,小五小四B3同學不合全班程度,要不 ...

傳統體藝名校對呢類學生喺支援其實比佢地讀其他學校好好多,學校本身已經分set上課,而且對缺席比賽學生補課,讀少幾科考A level再推薦收體藝學生嘅國內外大專院校及其他學業上支援,俾佢地可以全力發展本身嘅強項,所以算係適合嘅學校。當然,如果真係無心向學,學校有幾好支援都冇用,就算去讀B3學校考DSE都可能得三幾分。


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