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紅紅

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原帖由 永遠的零 於 15-06-04 發表
其實我第一個回應並非針對你，而只是借你的回應去話比其他提出種種解決方案的網友聽，凡事先要理解及分析清 ...
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木子兔媽媽

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回覆：IB 課程一定要用 MAC 嗎?

Today is a special day to reply this thread. Once upon a time, the argument on Computer operating system was heat and keen. The open source of Linux and the free of charge system had been a dream of a lot of idealist, yet it is not popular even now. Mac has been criticized for its monopoly and closed system, yet with iPhone it gains much success. Freedom's price is sometimes too much to afford by everyone.



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nintendo

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本帖最後由 nintendo 於 15-6-4 14:31 編輯
木子兔媽媽 發表於 15-6-4 13:52
Today is a special day to reply this thread. Once upon a time, the argument on Computer operating sy ...

No.It is not an issue of Mac vs Windows vs Linux.
Or whether the platform or interface is free.
It is merely a choice of a learning tool that a school chose.
And it merely happened to be a computer.
Someone's example was good.
What if a parent did not like a particular textbook chosen?
Would you insist that the school use the textbook that YOU like?
I do not see why a high school student using a certain computer would be such a big issue.
Mac computers are not the best. However, this particular school chose Mac. That's it.
What if the school chose Windows?
Should Mac users come forward and complain?







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The thread owner should transfer his child to another school that uses windows (but such school would be difficult to be found)!

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kids-kingdom

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本帖最後由 kids-kingdom 於 15-6-4 17:05 編輯

多謝各位熱心會覆，雖然有些回覆令我十分意外。

在我update 大家之前，容許我recap 一下我POST 1 全文
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小兒張升讀IB課程，學校話要用MAC ，但孩子和我都希望用Windows/Linux. 已問過下學校， 暫時學校都講吾出有d乜野一定要用mac os。 想問下各位讀僅IB 課程 的家長,有冇見過孩子們用過一些一定要用mac os 的 application.
thanks
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我問這個問題是基於下列原因及背景／理解：

1。幾個月前已口頭問學校 IB course 負責人(我不是沒有問過的），他給我的的答覆是『輕』，battery life 夠長不希望學生在學校recharge。 但這些現時已不是MAC 獨有，一般SSD windows 機都可以 。

2。兒子用開Linux，不用Libraoffice 而係用LaTex 打report , 我亦不喜歡MAC（我承認， 亦不覺得是罪過）。

3。機是要自己買的不是學校派的， 現時學校出document 用pdf， file sharing 用 SMB，用 Windows 或MAC 跟本沒有分別。 IB 課程亦沒有Computer/ICT 堂。 對我來說 ，這個情況有點像你帶部機去coffee shop 用WIFI，SHOP MANAGER 話只可用 Android.   

3。我覺得唔了解的事應該問，確得唔合理的事，在[可能範圍內]應該表達意見，當然明白凡事有[成本]，成功機會極細。 但 IB 一直強調 [inquiry based learning], 相信大部份家長都不會希望自己的孩子是【YES】 man， 不問因由只會認命。自由社會各人可有不同意見．我覺得挑戰權威／校方並不是罪過，多餘。

4。希望在forum 中得到多一些 Information。 如果有人 告訴我， IB 真的有很多MAC specific applications, EBOOKs，只有MAC platform 有，這樣便可以case closed 。

可惜(對我來說），這個post 大部分時間都在討論挑戰學校，心魔等。但從沒有人可以指出見過什麼 IB application 是Mac specific 的 ．

最新消息：
經多方查探後，包個別老師及現役學生， 說到現在為止Macbook 只是用來上網,打notes, 都係自己做嘢.並沒有真正的 learning applications. 到底校方基於什麼選擇MAC就不得而知。 可能是其他IB school都用？將來有其他 MAC applications?  個別公司的 marketing program 。。。。

結論:
１．如大部份member預期，很可能買Macbook Air， 因為 a)不想孩子將來有問題，b) 可能比Windows 機便宜 ，13" SSD Windows 大部分過萬（除非自己改SSD，但會void warranty） 。

２。 這個post 已經離題甚遠，短期內我不會再覆帖。十分同意其中一個member 講， 生命中有很多事比這個重要。 花上一兩個小時打字並不是有趣的娛樂。

Technical Sharing (for those who are not familiar with Mac like me)

I just want to share some of my recent findings regarding Mac/OSX, the info below is purely based on information on the web, may not be 100% correct or fully compatible.

1. Apple offers  iWork for iCloud to all Windows user Free (actually old news)

As a result, Windows users  can use iWork on their PCs and convert the document to Microsoft office format when necessary.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2883927/apple-offers-free-iwork-for-icloud-to-all-windows-users.html
http://www.imore.com/how-export-your-iwork-icloud-files-compatibility-microsoft-office

2. Airplay
Airplay (Apple TV) only supports OSX but there are software that can be installed on Windows PC/notebooks for the same purpose. However for home use, I would suggest exploring hardware dongle that support both Airplay and DLNA. Ideally, we should be able to connect IOS/OSX, Android, and Windows devices to our home TV. They only cost approx RMB200.00 from tabao (search key HDMI, Airplay DLNA)

http://www.airsquirrels.com/airparrot/



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kids-kingdom 發表於 15-6-4 16:49
暫時學校都講吾出有d乜野一定要用mac os
It is not as easy as it sounds, although many software have both Mac and Windows versions, the features of these different versions may differ, and I doubt if they want to invest the time to test for compatibility and confirm what must require the Mac version.

At the end of the day, what you want to avoid is the school sending you a file which you can't process, or vice versa :)

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nintendo

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Cool. Good to hear that you actually have a solution in mind. So case closed.

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I am not particularly a huge Apple fan. But I do understand how the original poster feel. I have friends that do not like Apple products too. They always challenge other people why they are so obsessed with Apply products. I on the other hand, feel that it is these Apple haters that are too obsessed.

PS. My Macbook is a hand-me-down computer. I am not exactly a die hard Apple lover and would not mind switching to a windows computer. After all a computer is just a tool. Do not want to spend too much time hating a brand.

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永遠的零 發表於 15-6-4 19:40
其實你寫一大篇來撐自己有乜意義，根本歸根究底講來講去都係因為你的「心魔」作崇，你不喜歡轉用MAC機但又 ...
I don't agree with you. For some people computer OS and programming is not just a tool, but an art, interest and personal preference, just like a calligrapher like to use to write with his/her own particular pen. When a choice is not morally wrong, we should respect the choice if it is feasible to execute. It just like to argue on the dressing code, the hairstyle and the stationaries used by a student. Of course a lot of local schools are still quite restricted on these choices to keep the unity or to minimize troubles, but when a school put trust in students or tailor-made for their needs, the so called 'unity' can be unnecessary or nonexistent. For 樓主, I agree with your plan, and you can share with your kid on the compromise of computer OS, to illustrate an example of compromise with reality and to make others feeling more comfortable.

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本帖最後由 random_dad 於 15-6-5 10:07 編輯

It's hilarious how many more responses there are to a "Mac" question than a school question...  It's silly to hear Fanbois trashing Windows, and silly of hearing Windows users trashing Macs.  We live in 2015, where the once mighty IBM now offers their employees Macs as an option.

To answer the OP's question, no, a Windows OS will not run a Mac application.  While some applications are available on both platforms, and while there are also "compatible" applications, compatible isn't always 100%.  Your choices are:

If you want to purchase a tool for 100% of his/her needs and desires without the hassles, buy 2 tools (a Macbook and a Windows laptop).

If you are willing to tinker, you can either get a Macbook and run Bootcamp, but will need to reboot to switch between.  You also need a larger HD in the Macbook for the 2 OSes.  Mac programs run inside Mac OS, Windows programs run inside Windows OS.

Or you can run VMWare Fusion inside of the MacOS and install Windows.  You can run both at the same time without reboot, but certain applications won't work inside of VMWare.  Video editing, for example, would be one.

Or for the really cheap route, you can buy a Windows laptop, and run VMWare Workstation and using known hacks, run MacOS inside VMWare.  Same situation as above, can run both at the same time, but certain applications won't work inside of VMWare.
Take this as a teachable moment, and help your child to find the instructions online to implement any of the above options.

Each school has different policies, and I agree with the posters that compared it to a workplace.  Some workplaces are Mac shops, some are Windows shops, and some are Bring-Your-Own-Device.  This is the same for schools, where your child's school is a Mac shop, and mine (as an example) is a BYOD.  But the bottom line is you have no choice but to conform, except to change schools.  Just like you have no control of the rising tuition fees, you have no choice in the tools (computers, books, cirriculum, field trips) the school chooses as a policy.

Frankly, regardless of preference, you should give your child the opportunity to be accustomed to both, and put your preference/bias aside, because we don't know what the world will look like in 10 years in the tools they will be using.

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