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請問有無ESF year 7 或以上的家長可指教我應如何從法語、德語和西班牙語中作出選擇。
女兒從二歲開始到現在每星期有一天到中心學習法語，已有七年多，唯從未參加過法語考試，故暫時無法知道其程度。今天到她未來的中學聽講座，老師說要從法、德、西班牙語中選讀一科，但以上的科目是為初學者而設，如家中的母語是上述一項便不要選修。
我的問題是: 我們的母語不是法語，但小女亦不是法語初學者，那我應替她選法語嗎？如替她從德或西班牙語選一，又怕她會太辛苦，因法語仍是會繼續學。
請問中學教的法、德、西班牙語程度深嗎，完成整個中學後是否真的能操上述語言，還是都只是懂皮毛？每星期的教學時數多長？有公開試要考嗎？
請指教。

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The foreign language that you start year 7 is USUALLY the foreign language you choose at the end of year 9, for examination study during years 10~11 (IGCSE). So yes, there will be exams. As to which one to choose, it depends on ur d's interest and linguistic ability. Spanish is similar to French but German is completely different in terms of grammar and syntax. Choosing Spanish is a safer bet but choosing German would be challenging. As for fluency, don't expect them to be very fluent speakers before Year 11.

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Hi Happy Kid, 不知是不是SHATIN　COLLEGE？HAPPY　KID是否不選択MANDARIN？　因選択MANDARIN的話、Y７就只讀MANDARIN,Y８再選択SPANISH　OR　FRENCH.　其実都係温故知新、我女女都係係校外讀緊FRENCH,将来都会CARRY　ON讀FRENCH。　再選多一個語言、真係好辛苦、除非是決定不選択MANDARIN,専攻EUROPEAN　LANGUAGES。　I second Rowena choosing Spanish, unless your child is very good at languages.

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引用：Hi+Happy+Kid,+不知是不是SHATIN　COLLEGE

原帖由 Mighty 於 14-06-13 發表
Hi Happy Kid, 不知是不是SHATIN　COLLEGE？HAPPY　KID是否不選択MANDARIN？　因選択MANDARIN的話、Y７就只 ...

我們將會讀KGV, 不知是否我聽漏，我以為係中文必修，再揀一種tim.

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我係Shatin College, 所以我不敢同你是100%,不過就肯定中文不是必修的。Shatin College個網址好清楚寫明選科選擇，同埋學校出左個notice問左我地year 7個language choice. I thought KGV woukd have done the same.

Mighty
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我個女讀緊KGV Year 10. Yr7 選了Spanish, 讀左兩年, 太難而香港又冇一個enrivonment 比佢practice, 唔想浪费時間,我想佢集中學好中文, 咁舊年drop 左Spanish 改選Double Chinese, it means in addition to the core Mandarin subject, the foriegn language is Mandarin also. So it is called double Chinese. More intensive.

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Given your child has been studying French since age 2 (Le Beaumont, i suppose?), I would stick to French if I were you. That would give her an edge when it comes to studying, since the exam result does count towards her grade point average (or whatever it is called) in the future. Why waste all the effort from the past decade?

In terms of really speaking a language... put her in France for a month and she will speak it

I grew up in Canada, started studying French when i was in Grade 5 and chose to stick to it until high school graduation (the requirement was only up to Grade 9, and many ppl chose to drop it). I did okay, not the top of the class but it didn't pull my average down either, but when it comes to really speaking it? LOL. For my honeymoon, i was able to pick it up after staying in Paris for a few days, but upon returning home, it's all forgotten again. Languages are meant to be spoken in the great wide world, so without a European community here in HK, it is hard to sustain the spoken language. (and the French community to rather stick to their own; they don't mingle deeply with the English speaking expats even)

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Mighty 發表於 14-6-13 09:59
Hi Happy Kid, 不知是不是SHATIN　COLLEGE？HAPPY　KID是否不選択MANDARIN？　因選択MANDARIN的話、Y７就只 ...

So your girl study 1 mandarin and 1 French? Just wondering why you'd suggest choosing Spanish when that child has French background. I know French grammar is crazy, but is Spanish that much easier that it is worth it to drop French at this stage to pick up Spanish?

True though, that French and Spanish is a bit similar so whatever was learned in French can be somewhat transferred to Spanish....

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annie40 well said. 發表於 14-6-21 14:11

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jolalee 發表於 14-6-13 08:59
So your girl study 1 mandarin and 1 French? Just wondering why you'd suggest choosing Spanish when t ...

Sorry, what I meant was if someone has to choose between Spanish and German, then defintely I will choose Spanish. Happykid's child will pick up Spanish easily as she has been studying French for such a long time.

但我重点都係当温故知新、吾好因為覚得小朋友学左GUM耐、再重新学就是浪費時間、因此就去選択另外一種新Ge語言去学。　我自己都係除左中/英文外学左第３種語言、有時看回初級Ge書、毎次都発現有D野係忘記左、再PICK UP番。　

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jolalee i see. so between the difficulty between French & Spanish i guess they're about the same? In that case yes, "re" doing French is definitely a good option. 發表於 14-6-13 15:06

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回覆 happy-kid 的帖子

學中英以外語文有成者，重點是興趣，天份和動機。考得IGCSE外語程度A* 的，水平是比皮毛好一點而已。
因為缺乏語境，多年的法文學習不代表能夠有小成，或許應該問問孩子的意向，查詢外語老師素質，孩子能鍾愛某語文，自然會讀得好，若加上好老師推動，如虎添翼，一年學習勝於三年。

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引用：我個女讀緊KGV+Year+10.++Yr7+選了Spanish,

原帖由 Taiwaibobo 於 14-06-13 發表
我個女讀緊KGV Year 10. Yr7 選了Spanish, 讀左兩年, 太難而香港又冇一個enrivonment 比佢practice, 唔想 ...

請問外語每星期有幾堂？

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引用：Quote:原帖由+Taiwaibobo+於+14-06-13+發表

原帖由 happy-kid 於 14-06-14 發表
請問外語每星期有幾堂？

請問有無KGV的家長可話我知學校每星期花幾多時間在德文科、法文科或西班牙語？

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annie40 發表於 14-6-14 17:24
回覆 happy-kid 的帖子

學中英以外語文有成者，重點是興趣，天份和動機。考得IGCSE外語程度A* 的，水平是 ...

其實要學精第三語文的確不容易, 問題就是缺乏語境, 請問有經驗家長可分享一下心得嗎?

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回覆 sharons 的帖子

Sharons，
妳是問我嗎？我的經歷跟成功個案是風馬牛不相及的。因此只可留下一點忠告給參考：
1）如果在香港沒法提供語境，也沒有強烈動機支持，請把學習第三外語看作興趣班。
2）既然是興趣，請放手由孩子選擇學那種語文，何時學？何時停？
3）香港父母一般目標是IGCSE外語拿A star 而已，這點成績，不用外補，year 7 開始在學校用心學，是可以的。
4）如Jolalee所說，離開學校唔用，記憶自然刪除，今天所余無幾矣。

老實說，自問是另類虎媽。行得通，值得為之事，必勇往直前，無憾無悔！然綜觀客觀環境，能達致日常生活上應用者是：
a) 非常有天份,又很有興趣學外語的孩子
b) 在港家庭或者是學校能提供天然語境

沒有以上原素，家長花費金錢，孩子花費時間力氣，結果差強人意，是非常不化算的教育。回頭看，我會把學法語看侍待成文化體驗。把力氣和金錢花在培養孩子的性情品德，做事態度上。長大至中學以上，如真的喜歡，才開始學，大學時進修，和四周遊學，把學習融合生活，這種記憶是紋身，永遠甩不掉。

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jolalee I like your description of yourself "另類虎媽". Very true, and the wise type too! Good suggestions

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本帖最後由 jolalee 於 14-6-22 03:39 編輯

回覆 annie40 的帖子

Annie's suggestions are correct.

Personal sharing: I started putting my son in a weekly French class since he was 4 months old (yes, i'm a 另類虎媽 too, but the crazy type...). He started responding to French well, but then last year (at around age 2) we found out my son has sensory integration issues. To help him overcome his problems, we had to put him in therapy once a week and PLENTY of playground time. That made the continuation of French lessons cumbersome (since it is at least 2 hours travel time round trip to get to class). I decided to drop French in preference for more play time for my boy. French was replaced by therapy, soccer now replaced by gymnastics (given he needs lots of rolling & swinging which soccer cannot provide; a great decision i may add, since he had improved a lot ever since the change of sports activity). If you ask me, it does seem like a huge waste of effort for the past 2 years for dropping French, but then for the well being of the child, knowing French will be an uphill battle due to the lack of a French environment with very little benefit for my son in comparison to, say, gymnastics, I must bow to reality and celebrate my child for who he is.

Sorry for being 離題 here :p

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Give some background of myself,  I learnt German more than 10 yrs ago and went to Germany to take an intensive class to sit for the interview to get ZD.  And around 10 yrs ago I started learning French for 3 yrs and stopped. Since 2yrs ago, I picked it up again have been learning.  I know nothing about Spanish.

I got a friend who graduated from KGV years ago and she is mum of 2.  She told me she had learnt it for 7 yrs and she has forgotten all.

annie40's comments are very true.  My suggestion is follow kid's passion, rather than deciding by whether it's useful.  You may give them a chance to learn a language and ask if they like.

The reason why I like learning different languages coz I have passion on them.  I appreciate and am curious of different culture and I like traveling and like socializing with different kind of people.

Driven by passion rather than by simply obeying parent's order/favor, they tend to have motivation to keep it on even they finish studying.

Motivation and passion drives the studying/learning are the proper way to raise kids.

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My kids chose French. If I were you, I would stick to French (because your child have learnt that for many years). No need to introduce yet another one. Better be good at one, than be so-so in 2 or 3 languages. In the future, if she wants, she can learn Spanish very quickly. Spanish is very easy to learn with background in French.

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引用：My+kids+chose+French.+If+I+were+you,+I+w

原帖由 nintendo 於 15-06-15 發表
My kids chose French. If I were you, I would stick to French (because your child have learnt that fo ...

多謝各位意見。我最後比小朋友自己揀，佢揀左 German.

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本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 15-6-20 12:49 編輯

視乎孩子語文能力，我孩子法西文都ok.能handle.
普通話都能模仿北京口音。所以發現語言天份高，我覺得要加以在這方便發展。由於法文好，我小孩自己選了西班牙語。

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