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Many assessments/discussions of IB schools in HK have focused on the output, i.e. the scores received by students. Is there another way to evaluate these schools by looking at other criterion like quality of faculties/teachers? And if so, how would one go about it (based on number of workshop leaders, moderators, examiners, ...?) and which schools are doing well?

今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素，但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易！

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發表於 12-11-12 09:40 |只看該作者

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You can go to any IB world school website, most of other criteria are not provided.

For some schools with dual streams, it's difficult to separate awards for two streams. Because they want to harmonise the "One school, Two system".

It's not easy. I tried to do that, but failed.

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本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-11-12 11:47 編輯

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I guess it is difficult to assess the quality of teachers. For example, I know teachers who have excellent qualification but minimum attendance in class. They disappear for so long and teach so little in class that the class resembles a self-study group.

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The percentage of scores of "7" and "6" obtained by the students each year could shed some light on the teachers It the teachers are lazy, they should know how to motivate the students to self-study.

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Sometimes what happens is that when the teacher is lazy, the students will get private tuition in order to catch up. So the good result at the end might reflect the teaching of the private tutor rather than the quality of the teacher at school.

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Ultimately, I would like to do a comparison of the various IB DP programs in HK but am at just the beginning stage of the process. The comparison, other than by IB scores, doesn't seem to exist today. I have looked through the work that you have done and that is very helpful. I am trying to find the right yardstick to compare these schools. The most obvious is IB scores and that is readily available. But other than that, should it be number of workshop leaders? Or are there other ways of judging the schools? Seems like a good time to try to understand the various benchmarks before diving into the research.

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Agreed. There are cases that the good results are from private tutors.

However, according to my observation in my kids' schools, if the examination result of a particular subjects in an open examination is far better than the average scores, they are due to the efforts and attitudes of the teachers.

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I did it 2-3 years ago, I can't get more than that, it's your turn.
I also checked the following:

A. The destination of students by university, by programs... - some schools only provided 5-10 years results, or just offers....

B. Scholarship - how to distinguish US$1000 - US$50000 scholarship...

C. Teachers qualification - some schools listed them in the website, but you can't distinguish them from NSS or IB streams. Also not highlight who are subject examiners.....

D. As I mentioned previously, most schools won't segregate the ECA or awards if they run dual systems....

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Looking forward to see your findings.

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It is difficult to assess teachers. But I am trying to shy away from assessing the students since if one views a school as a sausage machine, what comes out depends on both what goes in and the processing in the machine. We all know that LPCUWC does very well in IB results. But is it a function of better inputs (i.e. getting a pick of the best students they want) or better processing? In a way, a parent is dealt whatever input they have and that is not changeable. So as a parent, I would like to look for the school that provides the most "value add".

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I have thought about A as well but I do wonder if that is just another indication of "output" as opposed to "value add". Think this assessment of schools will likely be a multi-year process. Other than going to the info sessions of each one of them, I am not sure if there is a way to collect information such as how many examiners there are.

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本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-11-13 02:26 編輯

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I incline to think that the "input" is more important than the "process". For example, if we look at the IB results and university destinations of the IS in HK, you will notice that each school's overall results do fluctuate (and sometimes wildly so) from year to year. Some years are noticeably better or worse off than the others. Unless the turnover rate of the teachers is very high from year to year, I would have thought that the noticeable difference in overall results is attributable to the calibre and abilities of the graduating class students rather than anything else. Whilst the "process" is more or less constant, the difference in "input" makes a noticeable impact on the overall result.

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原帖由 HKTHK 於 12-11-13 發表
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I have thought about A as well but I do wonder if that is just another indicat ...

It is fine to look at value add. However, beware of the law of diminishing return. Value-add is so easy to achieve in low standard schools than in high standard schools. For a band 3 school (allow me to use banding here loosely) everybody is having 50/100. Achieving 60/100 or 70/100 is relatively easy. For band 1 school students, they are already operating at the edge of their intelligence and time available. Getting improvement is a lot more difficult.

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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That's my view too.

But in HK is more political than our first thought.

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發表於 12-11-13 16:05 |只看該作者

Only problem is I can't change the input since they are born already and I am stuck with them!

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學識打一手爛牌，止蝕，偷雞........
自己的下屬，何常又不是一樣！

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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