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Atticus

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FattyDaddy 發表於 12-11-11 14:05
I'm not going to respond to your other points, there is nothing there that has not already been disc ...

When you have nothing else better to say and when you know you won't win the argument, you make cheeky remarks. This has become your signature behaviour. We already know what kind of a person you are.

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FattyDaddy

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本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 12-11-11 14:35 編輯

Atticus 發表於 12-11-11 14:17
When you have nothing else better to say and when you know you won't win the argument, you make chee ...

Cheeky remarks are fun, well, may be not to people brought up the Confucian or Asian way, at least I don't call people a shame or insult or cheater or liar and the like (cheater & liar was used by someone else, not you, I should clarify that). Hey I have no qualms about saying my cheeky remarks out loud and letting everyone here know what kind of person I am, but obviously you have quite a bit of reservations here and there, and you have problems with little smiley icons like {:1_1:} and

too, oh well, enough said

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Atticus

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發表於 12-11-11 15:25 |只看該作者

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Here we go again, people have different views and find your comments and behaviour offensive must mean they have a problem. All these snide remarks about people being "brought up the Confucian or Asian way" are supposed to be compliments? How do you know how other EK users were brought up? Look who's being judgmental here.

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FattyDaddy Huh? You don't respect Confucus or Asia? 'Brought up the Confucian or Asian way' is not supposed to be a compliment?

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shadeslayer

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發表於 12-11-11 15:48 |只看該作者

Purpose of discussion in forums is not to win people over, it is about demonstrating views and their justifications.  The readers will decide.

I ask for the ESF role and funding be reviewed with a long term view.  FattyDaddy has said it over the over again, just the 70% HK residents is good enough justification for eternal subvention and no review is needed.  Others have given opposing views and justification based on fairness to other IS and DSS who serve HK just as much, discriminatory (old colonial rule) admission rule and the financial burden of Hong Kong as a whole if we turn all IS/DSS to ESF-like model, bear in mind this is not one-off, but recurring money poured into the schools and whoever do not ask for clear return on the investment is simply out of their minds.

I think we should all hold our horses and let other viewers to decide.  It is time to move on.

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FattyDaddy 'eternal subvention' are your words, not mine. Review? Yes, a review would show ESF serving HK permanent residents, not the ex-pats stuck in your mind, what is the problem then? {:1_1:} 發表於 12-11-11 15:57

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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發表於 12-11-11 16:12 |只看該作者

'eternal subvention' are your words, not mine. Review? Yes, a review would show ESF serving HK permanent residents, not the ex-pats stuck in your mind, what is the problem then?

shadeslayer:

FattyDaddy, Just don't assume everybody agrees with serving 70% HK residents alone justify subvention. Let the review panel and readers here make that call.

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FattyDaddy No problem if people think 70% is not sufficient justfication, but you weren't even willing to accept the truth that 70% are HK permanent residents {:1_1:} 發表於 12-11-11 16:25

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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Atticus

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本帖最後由 Atticus 於 12-11-11 16:29 編輯

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Quoting FattyDaddy's latest cheeky remark: "Huh? You don't respect Confucus or Asia? 'Brought up the Confucian or Asian way' is not supposed to be a compliment?

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Please do enlighten the readers here as to exactly what you mean by the "Confusian or Asian way"?

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FattyDaddy Now that is a big yawn, and WAY off topic, guess I should be more careful when describing someone as Confucian or Asian, some uptight types might take that remark as an offense

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Atticus

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Quoting FattyDaddy's latest comment: "Now that is a big yawn, and WAY off topic, guess I should be more careful when describing someone as Confucian or Asian, some uptight types might take that remark as an offense

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You are dodging the question again. I asked you a simple question and if you didn't want to answer it, you didn't have to respond. Instead, you made yet another unproductive snide remark. You kept labelling others "uptight", being "Confucian or Asian". I would just like to know what you mean by "Confucian or Asian". A very straight forward question. Please just answer it.

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FattyDaddy Even bigger yawn. Alright, you're not the least bit Confucian nor Asian, you are very Chinese, is that OK? Don't tell me saying you are Chinese is an offense

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bobbycheung

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FattyDaddy,

For a change, you are absolutely right in saying that everyone here know what kind of person you are. Nobody would disagree with you on this.

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FattyDaddy Yep, I never pretended to be anything else other than myself, some people like me, some don't, hey, but thats life isn't it? {:1_1:} 發表於 12-11-12 00:46

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FattyDaddy,

To be honest, I don't think anybody here cares about you or has the slightest interest in you (let alone going so far as saying someone likes you or dislikes you). We are only interested in each other's views. I don't know about you, but I guess everyone else here is looking for a good and useful exchange of views and information. We would like to engage in fruitful conversation and discussion in a civilised manner. Hopefully we would learn something useful and beneficial from each other. Having different views are absolutely fine but we also want to hear if there are good reasons or rationale behind those views. This is why we spend our time and go on to BK (and certainly not for the purpose of hearing jokes or cheeky remarks especially bad ones). If we had been looking for amusement or entertainment, we wouldn't have come here.

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FattyDaddy You come here for what you want, I come here for something else, have I gotten in your way and deprived you of something? If not, I suggest you get on with finding what you're after

發表於 12-11-12 03:40

FattyDaddy Oh? At least YOU cared and were interested enough about me to comment on me, or may be you habitually comment on things you don't care or have no interest? Strange behaviour

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本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-11-12 02:27 編輯

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I never understand what makes you think that those hold a different view are jealous.

ESF is a great school, but my kids are happy with their current one and they've never had any intention of changing school. I don't mind ESF getting subsidy from the Government. It's fine even though I derive no benefit from it. What am I jealous of?

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Shootastar I am in the same boat with you. I am in a neutral position to comment on the issue because I have no kids who will study primary or secondary schools in Hong Kong. 發表於 12-11-12 11:20

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shadeslayer

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發表於 12-11-12 07:54 |只看該作者

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原帖由 manstap 於 12-11-12 發表
FattyDaddy,

i think we shd leave this stupid debate continue to those who are filled with hatred an ...

It is absolutely fine for you to think that those oppose ESF status quo are doing so out of hate and jealousy. But when you make that remark, or any other remarks, in a discussion forum, give your reasons so other can judge if what you say is reasonable. Otherwise the comment becomes mindless shouting. Everybody can attack anybody else without giving reasons. Does anybody here needs to hear shouting?

In this case you did not say what makes you think those oppose ESF status quo are a jealous lot.

Incidentally, I receive NO benefits from the government on education of my child. And I am fine with government schools, aided schools and DSS schools receiving funding.

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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polyu4537

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Clearwater Bay School (ESF)

2013/2014 Year 1 120 students

About :

Cat 1 95 students

Cat 2 25 students

# Information from CBS talk

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tcbobo Number of students selected for interviews this year? 發表於 12-11-12 10:28

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FattyDaddy

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本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 12-11-12 15:47 編輯

shadeslayer 發表於 12-11-12 07:54
It is absolutely fine for you to think that those oppose ESF status quo are doing so out of hate and ...

I wouldn't use words such as hatred and jealousy, but as I had previously pointed out this ESF subvention argument it is more an attitude issue than a money issue, I had given my reasoning and rationale too, even if some people here don't agree to them.

We are now at a stage where nothing new is said anymore by anyone, some have even degenerated into bickering about what they come to this forum for and whether they appreciate cheekiness and inconspicuous little icons, way off topic, so I'll just summarize people's feelings behind this attitude issue and be done with it, and no, I don't think it is hatred, it is a combination of ...

(1) A feeling of being excluded when they believe they should not be - This is the strongest underlying emotion because if this "exclusion clause" is taken away then most people won't have much more to say, this is the real bone people are trying to pick at and it crops up in every ESF related discussion no matter what the original topic was.

(2) A negative approach towards equality - If A has something good which B hasn't, people question why A has instead of why B hasn't.

(3) A bloated sense of responsibility - Worrying that if B is given the same freedom as A, it is going to be chaotic, or if B is given the same money as A, it will bankrupt us, as if we are the government itself.

I know even though I have used mostly impartial language in the statements above, they are still going to rub some people the wrong way, so be it.

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bobbycheung Oh? Way off topic? At least YOU comment on it, or may be you habitually comment on things that you consider "way off topic"? You even commented on it twice. Strange behaviour

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polyu4537

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發表於 12-11-12 10:28 |只看該作者

The data just they "Predict", not confirm, So, many people want to be a CAT 1 !!!!!!!!

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tcbobo many of the 25 are siblings I guess 發表於 12-11-12 10:53

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Shootastar

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發表於 12-11-12 11:18 |只看該作者

I am not jealous of anyone because I have no kids who want to study primary or secondary education.

I am not opposing ESF in any way. I always think that it is a great education organisation in Hong Kong - judging by the achievements of its students.

Personal attacks on others are not conducive in discussion. You can convey your views clearly to others only if you have reasons and the reaosns are sound.

I oppose ESF receives government fund across the board - meaning to extend to those non-Permanent Residents of Hong Kong.

It is fine that ESF receives government funds in respect of those 70% of the Hong Kong permanent residents - they should receive the same education grant from the Government as those local school systems receives.

If government grant is extended to ESF across the board, it should stop using its discriminatory admission policy against those local permanent residents who speak Cantonese and/or write Chinese characters.

I appreciate any contrary views so long as those contrary views are backed up the reasons and facts. It is not helpful if the views are backed up by personal comments or attacks on others.