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FattyDaddy

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jolalee 發表於 12-11-5 18:20
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When he can capably handle his first language, then i shall start speaking to him more and more in the second language until the ratio is 1:1. I sure hope it works ...
From what I have read it seems it is important for a young child to associate one language with one person, if the same person talks to the child in multiple languages there is a chance that the child might get the languages mixed up, so may be it is better to ask your spouse to use the second language while you continue to use the first.

A real life example I have seen is, the mother speaks only Mandarin to the child (a daughter) while the father speaks only English, between the parents themselves they converse in Cantonese but they never use it with the child. The result is quite interesting, the child is 3 years old now and is fluent in both Mandarin and English, and she never mixes the two languages, when she talks to mum she speaks only Mandarin and no English, and vice-versa when she talks to dad. She speaks no Cantonese but she can understand some of the parent's Cantonese conversations, like when the family went to supermarket and mum said to dad "都係唔好買糖俾亞女食咯" thinking the daughter wouldn't know what they were saying, and then the daughter would surprise them by saying "I want sweets" or "我要吃糖" (in Mandarin) {:1_1:}

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HKTHK

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What I do wonder about is what happens when a parent who is not fluent in a language, like English, tries to only speak with their child in that language.  If the parent themselves cannot express the feelings and emotions in that language, then would the child's language ability be limited or inhibited somehow down the road?

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LeeMama328  Agree.Bonding between parents and children are more important than anything.Who of us local Cantonese, who are fluent/native in English, have a parent conversed with us in English when we were small?  發表於 12-11-10 02:38
jolalee  Yes it would, not just the language but the ability to have deep inner thoughts. Therefore, when in doubt, use the language you're most comfortable with.  發表於 12-11-6 01:27
今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素，但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易！  

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FattyDaddy

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HKTHK 發表於 12-11-6 00:51
What I do wonder about is what happens when a parent who is not fluent in a language, like English,  ...
Well, the parent can make efforts to improve his/her English too {:1_1:}

The arrival of a child is a life changing event, and a good opportunity (or excuse) to improve and re-invent oneself.

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jolalee

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FattyDaddy 發表於 12-11-6 00:35
From what I have read it seems it is important for a young child to associate one language with one  ...
Yes, that would be the ideal situation, but not all parents can spend the equal amount of time with their kids, plus my spouse is not as fluent with the second language as I am. In the article I posted, there is an alternative method, which I have heard about previously as well: Use L1 am and L2 pm. As long as one sticks to the time frame and language implementation, there shouldn't be much language confusion. The hard part is adhering to it and not mixing two (or more) languages at the same time.
A friend of mine knew about the method but ended up speaking to her child in three languages all meshed together from birth. The kid still cannot speak at 1.5 years of age (but does understand much in all three languages). It's good that I've my son's foundation built with a solid language more or less. If I see a 'buckling' phenomenon in his language development, I guess I'll just quickly revert back to L1.

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minirat

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HKTHK 發表於 12-11-6 00:51
What I do wonder about is what happens when a parent who is not fluent in a language, like English,  ...

I think parents should speak to their children in their mother tongue.

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LeeMama328  CAN'T AGREE MORE...  發表於 12-11-10 02:39

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minirat

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FattyDaddy 發表於 12-11-6 00:35
From what I have read it seems it is important for a young child to associate one language with one  ...

Interesting!  We are planning to do the same for our boy.  I speak to him in English, whereas his daddy in Cantonese.  We are both speaking our mother tongues to him and between ourselves, we are speaking Cantonese.  I have to keep reminding myself to speak to him in 100% English, coz I have slight tendency to speak a little Cantonese to him so that the other family members like grandparents can understand too.  I need to kick away this "bad habit".  I am the only who speak English to him, and I am a working mother, so the proportion of language is not ideal, so I am hoping that he can enrol into a school with good English (plus Putonghua will be bonus) learning environment, to reinforce his English ability.

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shadeslayer

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原帖由 HKTHK 於 12-11-06 發表
What I do wonder about is what happens when a parent who is not fluent in a language, like English,  ...
In this case, perhaps the parent should ask a teacher to it properly.



The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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HKTHK

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Not sure if I understand.  How can a teacher do this properly?  What I am referring to is a language environment that is "rich" and "diverse" with parents/caretakers conversing with the child as a mother tongue.
今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素，但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易！  

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HKTHK

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Re-inventing oneself is good.  Especially for parents to pick up new skills.  But is it that easy to acquire a language like English?  I am not even sure some of my friends who have spent years abroad will be able to really share their deeper thoughts and feelings in English.
今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素，但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易！  

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shadeslayer

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原帖由 HKTHK 於 12-11-06 發表
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Not sure if I understand.  How can a teacher do this properly?  What I am r ...
Hi,

I mean tuition type teacher at spare time, not the teachers at school.

Say you want your child to have the best possible environment for mandarin and English at home, but both parents are HK Chinese and do not have good enough Mandarin and English. What can the parents do other than to hire someone else good enough (teacher) to talk to their small kids after school?



The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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HKTHK

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本帖最後由 HKTHK 於 12-11-6 16:44 編輯

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There really aren't any good solutions.  I don't disagree with you.  Just want to get a better understanding on what effects, if any, would there be if one chooses not to use their mother tongue with their children.

I think the options for non-English and non-mandarin households are limited.  It is only through schooling, tutoring or study abroad.

今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素，但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易！  

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FattyDaddy

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HKTHK 發表於 12-11-6 15:10
I am not even sure some of my friends who have spent years abroad will be able to really share their deeper thoughts and feelings in English. ...
Hehe, may be you are getting a bit too academic here, I'm not sure if deep thoughts and feelings really require "deep" English, I mean, take simple sentences like "I miss you" or "you are my everything" and consider the thoughts and feelings they convey {:1_1:}

In any case, children do not learn a language only from their parents, when I think in my mind, words crop up which I didn't learn from mum or dad, I'm sure this applies to everyone.

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HKTHK

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I guess i am getting a bit carried away ....
今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素，但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易！  

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shadeslayer

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本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 12-11-6 21:44 編輯
HKTHK 發表於 12-11-6 15:23
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There really aren't any good solutions.  I don't disagree with you.  Just want to get a better understanding on what effects, if any, would there be if one chooses not to use their mother tongue with their children.

I have real cases where the parents use English as a second language to speak to their children and yet the children end up being very good in English. But the parent's English is pretty fluent.  The same goes for Mandarin, I suppose.
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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jolalee

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shadeslayer 發表於 12-11-6 15:13
Hi,

I mean tuition type teacher at spare time, not the teachers at school.
Yes, I do know friends who do that, hiring teachers to go to her home after class to talk to the kids. It does help, but you'd need to have the connection to find these teachers, and i'm sure NET teachers are pricey... Anyhow that is an option.

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