FOR PARENTS.......DBS, DPJS, DPS - 小學雜談

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Philipwhau 寫道:
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DBBoy 寫道:

I REALLY SHOULD BE CHARGING FOR MY ADVICE HERE...JUST JOKING SHOULD I HOLD A SEMINAR THIS SUMMER ON THIS TOPIC??

You have done a good work here. I really appreciate your enthusiasm in sharing your views on DBS. I have read every article, phases by phases and words by words, which are written by you.

I will be first one to enroll it if you really hold a seminar in this summer on this topic.

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agree!

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DBBoy:

I agree to your view in child's education while it is certainly not the main stream in our society. Besides, the spirit you mentioned of DBS couldn't be found in this P.2-P.6 selection. From all information I know, Only those performed excellent in the written test are being selected. Of course, I don't know how they performed in the test, but they are already perfomed excellence in their existing school. Most of the information is heresay, but some of my friend's kid, they have high standard in particular aspect. ( Not the top all over Hong Kong but could get awards in some district competition) still fail.

I have a strong feeling that the school is 盡收天下兵器 in this application, but only in academic performance, while the spirit of your mentioned couldn't be found.

Sorry for that I'm not try to challenge your view (spirit of DBS), in fact I'm quite touch that a school could nuture such a faithful student. Maybe the school is changed or it only happened in DBS, not the DBSPD as I found!

PS : some parents and you seem quite confuse in
DPS, DBS and DBSPD (your DPJS or DBJS). As a main speaker in this topic, I hope you could rectify it.

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This is the 'system' we are living in. Students fall into higher band have the priority to choose the school they desired.

Look at the frustration, sorrow and uncertainty of those parents these days in the media stem from the exising system we will know. I hope your point of view can help them to think differently.

Talking about Li Ka Shing and Bill Gates are too exceptional cases....

and, we can, of course, find many other examples of extraordinary lives !!

Other points, I agreed.

Loving, Caring & Sharing “教養孩童，使他走當行的道，就是到老，他也不偏離。” (箴言23:6)

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Hi DBBOY,

聽說新小拔的小一裡有一班是國際班，請問這班和其它本地班有多大分別呢？會否教中文呢？畢業生會參加會考還是外國考試呢？多謝您的分享。

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Dear Philipwhau,

Having read through all those comments and responses in this topic, I just want to give some little personal comment.

I do not intend to query your opinion, the fact is no one knows the future development of a young boy, the only thing we as parents can do is to provide the best opportunities for them. I agree that there may be late boomers who may be disadvantaged by the present system. Just like the girls in the school places allocation system as girls are mostly early boomers and can get more advantages in getting a band one secondary school place than the boys, however, it is really difficult to argue that the smarter girls should not be given the school places simply because others (I mean the boys) may be better in the future, the fact is the girls really perform better in the exams. in fact who knows who is better in future? how to define what is better and who is better? if one really deserves the success in future, he can get it no matter under what present environment.

on the private conversation, honestly, I am not surprised as I think it will happen in most of the traditional famous private schools. I am not rich and have to work hard for living, but I accept that in a society, the rich would be more privileged simply because they are rich, it is the real world, what can I do? but just to work harder for my next generations.

for your information, those boys I personally know who have been accepted by DBSPD are of very good academic results, the tops in their present school.

the above are just my personal opinion, really not offensive

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Dear All

Our world is not a perfect world and DBS, DPJS (as much as I would like to believe are not perfect schools) operates in the real world and they have many considerations to manage to maintain their reputation and to stay afloat.

As a DBS old boy, it gave the ordinary me from an ordinary family the shine and pride and I would not otherwise have. To this I will always be grateful to the school.

For those who has grievences about DBS, DPJS and its admission system, the consolation in that there are also many good schools other than DBS and DPJS. Besides, the most important spot is really the family home and the parents. James and Michael Tien are DBS boys but the Legco is filled with many others from schools all over HK. (Lucky that Tung Chee Wah is not a DBS boy

)  Lee Chuen Wan is a DBS boy but the music world has many others who are not from DBS.

Administrators have a balancing act to play and they need to live with the consequences.  A school is like a mini-government and it has to pay for its sins and bad decisions.

At times like this, we really need the merciful God to hold and keep the good spirit of the school and society from deterioration.

For all negative comments about the school and its admission, I cannot offer much in its defence other than what I have already said.

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Dear All

I would like to thank all of the BK parents (83 and still counting) who PMed me relating to me give a talk on this subject. I would be pleased to allocate some of my time to meet fellow parents as friends and give whatever help I can. However, I shall be away from HK until end of July and any such meeting, if any, would need to be held in August. I will need to find appropriate venue and time suitable for most. Any suggestions???

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Dear All

The matrix of the formula of success are many folds.  As I have mentioned, a school is a miniturised society.  In a society, people are successful for all kinds of reasons.  In a school, a boy becomes distinguished for all kinds of reason.

I hope I have not misled anyone by saying that you can swim your way into the school or kung fu your way into the school.  By reason of the fact that all subjects are taught in English, a good command of English is of paramount importance when assessing students.

Boys wanting to get into DPJS do need to be fully English literate when they enter the school.  Otherwise, their time at the school will be very difficult.

When my boy did the P.4 admissions test, they were given questions of LCM and HCF, concepts that weren't even heard of for many of the boys.  Math questions were stated in English and boys who do not have a good comprehension ability do not have a chance.

Running a school like DPJS is not easy.  There is a budget to balance, tradition to uphold, parents' expectations to be fulfilled, kids interests to be considered.  We need to be understanding to those who are given the care of our sons and daughters.  We need to hold our criticisms and be generous with our praises.

DBBoy

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Hi all

This indeed makes very interesting discussion.

Frankly the points made in this topic are so readily found in all school applications. Prior to the new system of using strictly points for primary school entry in the 1st round, weren't the top primary schools (government or aided) using the same approach of selecting the students via interviews, looking at their prizes & ECAs, recommendation letters, family background etc. Similarly, in the 3rd round of getting seats in primary or secondary schools, the same approach is practised as well. :cry:

So why should DPJS be penalised for its selection criteria? The truth remains that when there is an over-demand to a limited supply, then only the best will be selected in the manner which DPJS deems most appropriate. The survival of the fittest - a cruel fact but exists in reality.

Furthermore, the entry to DPJS is not the end to a means but just a beginning. There is a long road ahead of the boys to learn and uphold its school values/motto like DBBoy. Basically, every school has its values and motto but some will be more vocal and apparent than others as they carry over into the adult lives.

In the end, like what I always advocate to my kids - a school is a good school if they enjoy going to learn and make friends. There will never be an utopia because human satisfaction will never be enough. We make the best of what we have......

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Well said CCM.

It is important to get off on a good start. A good start is a happy and positive start. To be over assertive and thus taking all the fun out of learning is not a good start. I would offer my most sincere congradulations to all of the boys who got into DPJS and I hope that all of them will turn into true blood DBBoys and represent HK and our Country in front of the world and meet all the challenges before them in the future.

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Opinion accepted. Thanks S.

DBBoy

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DBBoy: Food for thought. A quote from a magazine I just read:

'Yet each man kills the thing he loves', wrote Oscar Wilde (Magdalen, Oxford 1875-8).

However articulate you have been with this DBS thing, there is a point beyond which you will sound like an overkill. Perhaps I don't qualify to write here as I am not a DBS parent (and won't cherish becoming one), I would think that the late Sir Oswald would not have hypnotized himself this way.

I should also stop here in order not to sidetrack this thread.

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Hi DB Boy,

How are your two boys getting on in DBSPD? Can you share with us?

Thanks in advance.