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教育王國 討論區 國際學校 國際學校學生計算能普遍偏低。有乜辦法? ...
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國際學校學生計算能普遍偏低。有乜辦法? [複製鏈接]

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發表於 08-6-20 14:14 |只看該作者
小女四嵗半,目前在sis讀書,剛剛接觸Enopi一個半月,我個人覺得不錯。

但還想聼聼其他家長對Enopi的看法,請分享。

謝謝。

原文章由 daydream 於 08-6-20 12:25 發表
**見過不少讀本地大學的國際學生, 數學好的真是不多, 班上最差的往往是從國際學校來的.**

The real cause of such phenomenon is just because local students have studied one more year of Maths (i.e. Form 7)  ...

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發表於 08-6-20 14:16 |只看該作者
我不清楚Hong Kong IS啲學生, but 我在外國讀high school時, D鬼仔啲數差到嘔.  偶有一兩個例外.  所从我都認為練習好重要. 熟能生巧嘛.


Math comprises (1) simple calculations and (2) analytical math or applications.

If we are to compare calculations, I would agree that international school students would most probably be slower than a normal local school kid, especially in primary level. My friend's daughter was able to recite the Chinese multiplication table at the age of 5, from 2 x 1 all the way to 9 x 9, although at that time she hardly understood what multiplication was. She was made by the teacher in kindergarten to chant everyday and she was able to tell us that 5 x 8 equals 40 very quickly. Most international schools would not start teaching multiplication until P3 (= local school p2) and this can take until P4 to learn all 12 multiplication patterns. Yes, international schools are slow in this respect.

However, slower does not mean weaker. And I would not be as sure if local school students are that strong if we are to compare the analytical skills or application skills. Math is never simple calculation. As we move on, more analytical skills are needed and at one point, few or even no numerics are involve in certain branches of math.

I do not want to compare high school math in Hong Kong with that in Canada/US, since I myself have left Hong Kong a long time ago and know very little of Hong Kong high school math. However, I did have a high school classmate in Canada that came to our school from Hong Kong. I would say that Hong Kong students do indeed have useful tricks to help memorizing things and doing math fast. I was lucky to have this girl in my class and she taught me lots of math tricks. However, this "advantage" or "skill" seldom help as much with math that involve more analytical skills and problem solving that involve reading, understanding and writing. Language skills and analytical skills become more and more important as we move up.

I think some people simply do not have very strong mathematical mind and find it hard to handle math. I was one of those who did not do really well in math in Hong Kong. I am a person that need to know the why of everything and the math classes in Hong Kong did not provide me with enough reasonings. I was able to memorize things I needed to and do math fast but I did not like it and considered math boring. However, when we moved to Canada, I had the best teachers I could possibly have. The teachers were able to and willing to provide me with the "answers" I needed and math to me was then started to be fun.

I think it is quite impractical to ask anyone to give a definite answer as to which kind of math education is better. For those who want it a fast and "efficient" way, go for local school math. I know that a lot of junior primary students are really really fast in calculations.

For those who would want to do it slower, want his child to have solid and strong foundation in very simple arithmetics  (ie basics of addition, subtraction, multiplication, division) then you might want to check out whether any international school might fit in your other needs. I personally like it thisway. But you have to be prepared that while other children of the same age in local school are doing 3 digit multiplications, you child may still be working on his owe simple multiplication table. If you do not like it this way, you'd better find alternatives to international schools.

Last, I must add that there must be other reasons why a parent choose a school. No one would choose a school just because of math. But this is not our main discussions here.

Usual disclaimer. I am only saying that I personally like international schools more. Not saying local schools are in any way not as good, in case anyone want to ask, again......

[ 本文章最後由 almom 於 08-6-20 14:19 編輯 ]


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發表於 08-6-21 16:32 |只看該作者
原文章由 thankful 於 08-6-21 00:56 發表
But is it really that important to be able to do calculations really really quickly?  Let's ask ourselves, how many of us can do calculation faster than a calculator?  In fact, how many of us nowadays ...



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發表於 08-6-22 16:07 |只看該作者
Thank you for all of your opinions.

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原文章由 xenonlit 於 08-6-18 15:24 發表
"國際學校學生計算能力普遍偏低"我覺得係冇問題,只係要求進度不同。國際學校學生最重要是concept.其實係外國(英、美等)讀小學的小朋友比起同年的香港小朋友的計算能都是偏低,但長大後所誕生的數學家、工程師一啲都唔差 ...


Second this.  Local kids "seem" to be good at arithmatics before grade 3 because they are trained at doing the drills.  They may not understand the concept well.  IS generally tries to lay a strong foundation of concept.

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發表於 08-7-6 12:02 |只看該作者
"國際學校學生計算能力普遍偏低" -
Sorry, I don't agree.

My son studied in SIS, the Singaporean Mathematic level is very high.
At Primary 1, I didn't prepare anything for the first test. However, the mark was low. Because the test is about algebra in P.1. e.g. @ + 3 = 8, @=?

At P.3, they do solving problem with complicated algebra, which is the F1 level at local school.

At SIS Int'l, they aim on analytical power and problem solving power.
At Local school, they aim at speed and quanitity, not quality.

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發表於 08-7-10 16:23 |只看該作者
But is it really that important to be able to do calculations really really quickly?  Let's ask ourselves, how many of us can do calculation faster than a calculator?  In fact, how many of us nowadays still do calculations by hand without using a calculator?  Not only that most of us can't beat it, we probably won't be able to survive without one.  Instead of spending a long time doing the calculation mechanically, time would better be spent on reading etc. because there isn't yet any machine that will help you do better or faster in these other areas.


I agree and disagree.
There are some basic skills that we need to know. Not that we would still need to use when we are older. Like manually checking up the meaning of a word with a dictionary, instead of going on the internet or using electronic dictionary.
Taking science as another example. I still remember learning titration at junior high. Dropping the chemical drop by drop and wait for the colour of the solution to change. But in a modern lab, they all use digital titrators now. However, I am sure even now, junior highs would still ask students to use those old fashioned titrators. Students simply need to know the basics first before moving on to using technology to help them.
And that is why, we would not give a calculator to a 8 year old, but instead still insist that he learn his multiplication table.
Speed in calculation is quite practical in daily life. Knowing what 9 x 8 is in a click is still faster than punching 9, x, 8, = into a calculator. That is why many international schools still let students do drilling of multiplications.
But of course, if you are talking about calculating what 2637 X 872 is, we would still need to use a calculator.
My comments on "speed", was for much more simple calculation within the 12x12 (or at most 13x13) range. This is the "range" of multiplications that most international school kids would need to memorise.
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