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You are right, 我選IS, 其中一樣，就是想我小朋友「天真」一點, 學下欣賞這個世界的各㨾美好，寬心一點， ...

的確如此，現今香港學生，小小年紀就世故得可怕。

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的確如此，現今香港學生，小小年紀就世故得可怕。

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學校係一個小社會, 一樣米養百樣人, 嘜人都有. 我個細路跟學校返大陸探望d殘疾兒童. 點知有幾個外藉同學竟然指住d小朋友笑佢地有殘疾. School culture 當然有影響, 但最重要都係家敎.

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bobbycheung 發表於 15-3-10 20:25
學校係一個小社會, 一樣米養百樣人, 嘜人都有. 我個細路跟學校返大陸探望d殘疾兒童. 點知有幾個外藉同學 ...

讚成家教最重要。

無論上年或今年（孩子在兩所不同的IS, ethnic Chinese的比例也有所不同）, 我仔仔的學校都告訴我他在班中的表現，都是最compassionate的孩子。上年看到某南亞國家水災的片段而心受感動（七情上面那隻所以校長看到了）、今年講及感激身旁幫助他的人，第二天他便向學校清潔姨姨打招呼及多謝她。

老實說我仔仔天性masulin而帶點粗暴，從一歲起管教的功夫的確做了不少。嚴規justice＋同理心compassion一定要相附相承並身體力行 (罰起上黎會陪佢一齊受罰), authoritative parenting是關鍵。社會一定不公平，世界每一角落都有不公義的事情存在著。問題是，我們想培育孩子去適應及接受這世界的冷酷無情，還是令世界少點殘酷、多點公義？

“It's not our job to toughen our children up to face a cruel and heartless world. It's our job to raise children who will make the world a little less cruel and heartless.”
― L.R. Knost

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贊成家教及身教同樣重要，I m a big fan of L.R Knost parenting principles too

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bobbycheung 發表於 15-3-10 20:25
學校係一個小社會, 一樣米養百樣人, 嘜人都有. 我個細路跟學校返大陸探望d殘疾兒童. 點知有幾個外藉同學 ...

在行為上，取笑殘疾人士十分「冇品」。

現實來說，比老師知道亦幾大鑊，話晒用學校名義做探訪，言行都影響學校聲譽。

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Artie 發表於 15-3-10 23:17
在行為上，取笑殘疾人士十分「冇品」。

現實來說，比老師知道亦幾大鑊，話晒用學校名義做探訪，言行都 ...

老師視若無睹. 其實老師亦有好多種, 有d盡責, 有d啋你都傻, 隻眼開隻眼閉, 最緊要唔好煩佢.

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Agree with all the points, but the DB vs SSP does have another social class dimension to it. Most of our upbringing don't expose us to the impoverished side of the western world where compassion is less affordable while we see all walks of local life in HK, so I don't see it as a apples to apples comparison. We just tend to be too self critical (for example people tend to brand taxi drivers as assholes but there is a fair share of the nice ones but we tend to forget about them..)

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Woojba 發表於 15-3-11 23:50
Agree with all the points, but the DB vs SSP does have another social class dimension to it. Most o ...

I tried to use DB vs SSP to illustrate a point but I actually never took my child around the SSP area

However, I had my fair share of carrying the baby on the HK mtr line without being offered a seat whereas i usually receive one in DB. Just thought that ppl may challenge the bus vs. mtr issue so i used SSP bus line in my illustration instead.

As to the impoverished side of the western world, I've been there too. I once gave a hotdog to a (real) homeless guy on the street and in gratitude he asked if he could hold my hand for a second, and he actually closed his eyes (in prayer?) before letting go of it. One can feel that he really appreciated the gesture. On the other hand I once tried doing the same in Hong Kong, many years ago, as my heart just went out to this woman on the street with a young child in her arms. She seemed terrified, not knowing what to do as i gave her the food, and I noticed she was looking around as if checking if 'her boss' would see it. Later I found out it's probably triad related, with members controlling women and kids to beg on street for them. The child was probably not hers either. Yes, in such an environment like HK (and more so in China), one's heart learns to grow cold.

My helper told me that in Philippines men usually give their seats to elderly/pregnant women in need too, and found it astounding that it's usually the middle age women who do the same in Hong Kong instead. (Young men stared at their video games, old men don't give a sh*t, and the rest just suddenly pretend to sleep upon seeing someone in need; I had that happening right in front of me while i was pregnant).

Just went to a seminar tonight, the speaker was a renown psychiatrist from the States. She told the audience, the greatest moment of her parenthood came one day when her grown son (1 of the 3 sons she has) just received his first bonus from work. The mom asked him what he did with the money, and he replied that he gave it away to (a well-established, reliable) charity. In nurturing a child who can think beyond the needs of himself and be able to contribute to his beliefs, the mother felt that she has finally succeeded as a parent. (Although her other two sons are lawyers, her highlight was not their academic successes). Most probably I was the only one who shed a tear when the speaker shared this, for I too, is hoping that this may happen in my household one day.

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I had been giving up my seat to the pregnant women a couple of times in MTR. However, it is sometimes difficult to distinguish between fat and pregnant. Some women are very sensitive and always think u are sex wolf if u stare at them. So I always close my eyes when on the train and it may cause another misunderstanding.
HK people are not that bad in general.

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bebemuimui 發表於 15-3-13 00:33
I had been giving up my seat to the pregnant women a couple of times in MTR. However, it is sometimes difficult to distinguish between fat and pregnant. Some women are very sensitive and always think u are sex wolf if u stare at them. So I always close my eyes when on the train and it may cause another misunderstanding.

I give my seat to elderly & young children as well, and it does seem like women who has raised a family are usually more sensitive. To be fair, it is not too bad, as I did a little tally (for fun) and the number of people giving up their seat Female to Male ratio is about 10:7.

My usual BMI is about 19 so I am quite skinny (even after giving birth). It is quite impossible to mistake me as fat even when I was 8 months pregnant. As a personal experience, once in an MTR compartment 2-3 seated passengers who had their eyes wide open while i was walking in suddenly felt very tired and pretend to fall asleep (both male & female). I really didn't mind about the seat and was quite energetic that day, just finds it funny how people deal with their guilt :)

Again, general behaviour does vary from area to area (as well as the time of the day; understandably).

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I had been giving up my seat to the pregnant women a couple of times in MTR. However, it is sometime ...

To avoid problems and misunderstanding, usually I do not sit at all on mtr. On buses. if i want to sit i always go on the upper deck. It is hard to be generous person. I find hk people always judging others.

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I give my seat to elderly & young children as well, and it does seem like women who has raised a fam ...

There has been in lots of discussion at BK. It is just hard to say whether those already sitting down on the mtr do not need the seat as much as a pregnant woman. They may be very tired people too, like store sales after standing a whole day. And there may be other reasons: someone is ill? Someone is rushing to a second job and trying to rest for 10 min? Who can be sure? When I was pregnant, I had my ways to not needing other people's help. I know, there certainly are people that are selfish. But I do not judge. I do not even want to tally. Whatever la. Hk people are not the most compassionate. But they are not that bad.

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Good points you've made there, Nintendo.

I think people like me who were brought up abroad early do think more critically (be it the observations and/ or the conclusions), or in other words, more judgemental. I'm not sure if this is how kids are taught in IS here in HK, or perhaps it is just the culture that I picked up being out there for very long.

I find that expats are usually even more critical compared to me, in everything from transport to education to politics, so do be aware that when one puts a child in a school that allows kids to explore their own ideas and think critically, the children may by comparison seem more judgemental by local kids.

On the other hand, they are also more able to accept reasonable counter-proposals. Even parents here in the IS forum is very different from the rest of BK. Very critical, great thinkers, but at the same time willing to admit mistakes and accept new ideas compared to some people I came across over there.

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I have lived in a few other western cities too.

My kids are teenagers. Older one already in university and younger one in high school. They were not born in Hong Kong but have lived in Hong Kong for many years. So it is not like we have not looked beyond the well.
May be we are not in the same circle of friends, but the gweilo I know are all enjoying it here in Hong Kong. They may not agree with the selfishness of some Hong Kongers but they do accept it as it is. After all, I think there are selfish people in most large cities like Tokyo, New York and Toronto. The point is, we need to stand firm and keep up with living up to our own set of values. That's it.
I really cannot remember the last time people acted rudely to me. What is the point of always tallying other people's faults. I would rather try to find the beauty of this place instead. I still remember that there was this very dusty dirty construction worker that helped an old man carry his bags out the MTR train. That was just last week. 丈義每多屠狗輩. And not all gweilo or western educated people are compassionate.

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本帖最後由 Mighty 於 15-3-13 10:37 編輯

[丈義每多屠狗輩] this is so true!! I think in general Hongkongers are ok. Some 「自由人」too very willing to give way to elderly. I am a bit like Nintendo. I dont like sitting on trains either. And if I have to offer my seats, I tend to choose old people and not pregnant woman (dont know why though).

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