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Haha...it is the same everywhere!
Even u graduated from top U, but they also need good attitude and soft skill.

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jolalee Agree! The good degree is just the door opener. 發表於 13-2-26 01:12

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My kid is in CIS senior secondary and was transferred from another IS in year 7. According to my observation, home breed students and transferred-in students have equal chance to top U. A few years ago, the school compiled some statistics which showed that average IB scores of students admitted in reception and those admitted midway are similar. The headmaster added in the remarks that "bear in mind students admitted midway, especially at or after year 7, were based on academic excellence".
I personally know quite a large percentage of students in CIS who were admitted to top Us like Princeton, Oxford, Cambridge, Columbia, etc. are without connections, not alumni, no money donation. Harvard may be another story.

In general, most of the students in year 10/11 onwards work very hard, have a lot of pressure from essay, assignments, and tests, care much about academic results. I also observe that those transferred in from local elite schools like DXS or SPXX may not perform very well under this IB and essay intensive environment.

The above is just some personal observation from a CIS parent.

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Sorry to make some parents feel offended. I just want to share knowlege, which i believe are facts from friends i trust, and who are parents of kids at CIS, GSIS, DBS, DGS, SPCC and some top US and UK high schools (I know no one at HKIS, and so can't tell). Of course, i also wish the truth is otherwise.

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More and more monster parents are pushing kids to IS....the battlefield is moving to IS territory.... Poor kids...

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原帖由 bobbycheung 於 13-02-25 發表
"....the record still does not reflect if the kids studies in the respective schools all the way thr ...

When it comes to exam results, yes HK students are world class. Exam results are important, but are they all the parents want in their children's education?

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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I agree that IS education is what I want: learning happily, self-initiative, good communication skills especially in spoken and written English. And I am glad that I chose IS for my kid.
However, when times come to senior secondary, there is only 1 objective: a good University. By then IS parents behave the same way as local parents, and become grade oriented. I regret to say that starting this year I only allow and encourage my kid to take part in activities that will add weight to the personal statement, i.e. we do what Universities want. It is what I never expect when I look back years ago when I claim that my kid learns happily without pressure.

I have to face reality sooner or later. The good thing is, in IS, we defer the bitter part to as late as possible, and our kids can have happy childhood. (But no experience to deal with extreme academic pressure!)

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I'd say from personal experience that 'experience' has nothing to do with it when it comes to extreme academic pressures. I came from a traditional good school in Hong Kong when our family emigrated to Canada during my primary years. What motivated me to study hard during high school was the encouragement i got in junior high years, not the pressure cooker messages i came from back home. When the going gets tough, I find that kids who grew up in Canada often did better than we chinese did, and they had never experienced the pressure we had in Hong Kong. At the end of the day, it's the emotional support, motivation and inner strengths that counts.
Personally i'd choose the path you choose too. Yes, high school is all about marks and doing things to get into a good University, but after one graduates from schools and face the actual reality at a work place, what we learn throughout life truly kicks in.

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Thanks a lot for all your valuable sharing. I find one distinctive feature that many of those who had their studies abroad are grateful for their learning experiences there which brings to fruition in development of their later adult lives. On the other hand, we those brought up in local system seldomly would look back and say "if not coz of what I was trained in that way, I would not have gained so much now". At one time, I start to doubt whether our traditional system prepare us for our adult life, I mean, life teaching and character building. Of course, people would jump out here to say that "teaching comes more from parents and should not rely on schools alone". But that reply avoids and misses the important discussion of what our institutional education system is doing here (as opposed to the foreign ones'). Then, I happen to cross across now the video recording of Tiger's Mother's interview. There is large much I don't think much of, but one bit I do agree is what she says that "discipline and good learning attitude is gained through rigourous training since a child is little" (my summary of her words only). That is why she said since she pressed her daughters hard and hard and hard, her daughter's good learning attitude is praised when she switched to learn playing tennis.

Jolalee, that is why when you say you find foreigner kids can eat "tough" pie better than chinese, that arouses much interest in my heart. Can you share more how foreigner kids manages to do better ? is it all about the strong inner passion and motivation, which is inspired by their education system, that make them better than Chinese despite chinese's long tough training?

To clarify, I am not trying to stir up a dispute between the west and the east

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I mean, it is too vague a ssimple uggestion that their education inspires them in motivation. Coz simply inspiring kids' interest in learning doesn't explain why those kids don't dodge or step back when facing obstables and tough time. There must be some more inner qualities (acquired and inspired through their upbringing) that push them cross that tough bridge when they come by it. We who are brought up here seldom have insight into those important minute details for our own learning benefits

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My experience could be faculty specific, perhaps dealing with creative problem solving issues. In University, i had teamed up with both chinese and non-chinese students. We all worked around the clock needing to come up with creative ideas or solutions and presenting them through precise professional methods.

While the chinese teams are usually very hard working (often more so then other teams), when working with them we often ended up copying off each other because we cannot come up with the solutions (I'm often the one being copied off from, but as a Chinese, i don't mind). In an innovation based subject, that just wouldn't cut it. When i work with the other guys, we all must bring to the table substantial solutions, and they often do that with heavy metal or clubbing music blasting in the background. They are often very hands on whereas we chinese students are just paper and numbers people.

I think it's the same with some other occupations as well. My husband grew up in Auz since kindie age, and when i asked him about the performance of his colleagues who grew up and studied in HK (to prove why i'd choose IS for our son), he too would shake his head and say they often just copy off other articles and can seldom come up with good solutions themselves.

There are a lot of little things we learn while we were growing up. Although they don't seem relevant at primary or high school age, they do come back to be useful in the long run.

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Thanks a lot of your valuable sharing, which is very kind of you. I wish to pick up bit and piece of what you have raised. Perhaps, I can come back later tonite when having more time. Thanks

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jolalee ha ha, i think i have revealed a bit too much. i had 2 PM with half an hour. If you don't mind, i shall PM you my post and delete some info here ;) 發表於 13-2-26 17:28

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foolish.mom 發表於 13-2-25 20:19
My kid is in CIS senior secondary and was transferred from another IS in year 7. According to my obs ...

Thanks for sharing. It's interesting to hear the perspective of secondary school moms (esp since mine is just starting primary this fall). I have noticed my sister (her daughter is in GSIS) has also become more strategic in the way she's planning her daughter's extracurricular activities as well (altho my niece is just moving up to secondary next year).

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In case you are thinking about ICS, think you may have missed the deadline for application for R1 (K1). The first batch of interview was finished last Sat.

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jolalee Actually my son is born Nov 2010, so he is too young for the cut off this year. They asked me to apply this coming August. 發表於 13-2-26 21:04

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Mom2One: You are welcome. There are only a few CIS active parents in BK.

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jolalee Thank you for your sharing. It does put my mind at ease for choosing IS for my child :) 發表於 13-2-26 22:20

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md23 發表於 13-2-25 16:43
ESF (both in kindergarten and elementary school), in my opinion, simply does not challenge kids eno ...

Sorry md23, that there's been a flutter of activities that i missed responding to your post until now. I agree with your analysis and given that i value early education immensely, your opinion rings true. Your view on sending children to boarding schools too early as well as your reason for choosing IS is very similar to how i think as well, so i believe we're on the same page.

It'd be hard to let go of a safety rope though. I just hope the Montessori education will be strong enough to put him in a good primary school when the time comes... I do hear that at K3 some kids are doing multiplications (of course, given this is montessori, it all depends on the individual child).

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I remember I have watched an interview (posted on Mingpao wesbite about 1/2 year ago) of Dr. Leong Chi Yan. He was then the head of Open U. He said he trusted local education system. He also found HK students managed to reach the top universities all around the world. He said he found nothing wrong with our local education system. Then, I also heard that many top students from local schools can perform very well after switching to IB schools. I think what be fairly said is that HK has very good students who can fare well in whatever education systems. However, looking at those foreign or IB systems on their merits, they have very attractive features, like (i) teaching students to learn to learn (Montessori develops this through giving students self-checking cards/answers so that chidlren can work on their own in doing games and learn to guide themelves in sustained learning; (ii) IB put emphasis on developing student's habits and abilities in relfecting on their own learning process and product, to pick up weakness and move on from there). I think this explains why many studying abroad have the experiences that their foreign classmates may look stupid during the early study years, but these classmates are able to catch up or even overtake them towards later years of the tertiary studies

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jolalee Good analysis, I totally agree with you. 發表於 13-3-1 02:04

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I think this is the difference between hk parents (maybe also Asian) and western parents. Asian parents look at only academic.  Even we parents who chose IS for our kids are still difficult not to see from that perspective.

My elder one is in an IS regarded as very academic but one of her western classmates just moved onto another IS.  Westerners value non academic as much as academic.

My company has many people came from good schools.  Some of them even got the highest mark in the world in their professional exam.  However, when it comes to work, they somehow seem not able to see the issues and come up with proposed solutions.  They are also very week in handling people.

These people are doing fine when they are junior staff.  However, when they move up, they just don't have the soft skills to cope with the challenge.

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I perfectly understand what you are saying.

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Education needs money.

The major difference in IS (or boarding school) and LS education is the money spent on each student.

All the benefits which are gained by IS students could be gained by the LS students if they have the same learning environment and the family support (in terms of money spent on sport, music or other activities).

One can see that some of the students from DSS schools are of the same (if not more) qualities of those from IS or boarding schools.

I feel it is not fair to draw the conclusion that the LS students of poorer soft skills after schools if they have good academic results.

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