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發表於 06-1-23 12:02 |只看該作者

del.

只係幫我堂姐問.
佢有個仔,今年小一.
但早在幼稚園時期.佢個仔成日被老師投訴.
大多數指唔肯坐定.成日講野.無心機學習.....
事實佢個仔成績真係比較差.
每日同佢溫習,做功課都花上好多時間先完成.
後來幼稚園方面叫我堂姐同個仔去check下係唔係過度活躍.
經測試後,證實左係患上過度活躍症.

上左小學後.小學老師得知佢o既情況,都已盡量遷就.
但成績方面一落千丈~!老師同我堂姐講:"如果成績再係咁,可能要留級"

現在想問問大家.過度活躍症會唔會影響學習能力??
以我堂姐o既case,應該點做好??
我曾叫過佢唔好排政府醫生.因為要等年半.而家仲排緊~!
請問有無私人醫生.可以治療呢種病症?
我堂姐想同個仔轉校.有咩學校適合呢??
而家佢有社工跟緊.但社工只能做o既係開解同安撫佢o既情緒.所以想問下大家.有咩好方法? thx~!

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發表於 06-1-23 12:36 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

1. 當然會,上課不能夠專注怎能學得懂,除非他是轉數較快那一種...但從你的描述又不太似

2. 其實除了由精神科醫生處方的藥物外,行為治療亦是十分重要-可先考慮由一些社會服務機構提供的心理輔導服務.如果是政府資助的部分,收費會頗便宜,如果是自負盈虧的服務,則與新畢業的私人執業者相差不遠.

另一個可考慮的地方是由兩大的心理學系碩士生提供的服務,他們會在教授監督下工作,但因為要"就"他們上學的時間,可選擇的時間可能很少.

3. 自由度較少的傳統學校對小朋友較合適.

bb2002 寫道:
1.現在想問問大家.過度活躍症會唔會影響學習能力??
2...我曾叫過佢唔好排政府醫生.因為要等年半.而家仲排緊~!
請問有無私人醫生.可以治療呢種病症?
3...我堂姐想同個仔轉校.有咩學校適合呢??

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發表於 06-1-23 12:45 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

dr.t,
thx~!
佢o係學習方面轉數係唔快.
但其他野就........
佢呢種情況會唔會係智力有問題??
因為到而家我都分唔清何謂"資優"
只知資優o既小朋友同一般o既小朋友行為上有d唔同.
但智力有問題o既小朋友又係同一般o既小朋友行為上都有不同.
另外~
心理輔導方面.
而家我堂姐排緊政府果d.但仲係等緊.
如果要轉唔係傳統教學o既學校.
係唔係即係轉私校/直資小學?
以佢o既情況同成績,會唔會唔收?

thx~!

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2324
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發表於 06-1-23 12:53 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

1.即使兩個人擁有完全相同的智商,行為表現可以完全相反,因此你的問題是沒有答案,老套說就是-無論資優,學習困難,智障等等,都是無樣睇的,只有詳細評估才能找出答案...但照計你親戚應已見過政府心理學家,無理由無幫佢做智能測驗     

2. 都係一樣,每間學校都不一樣,有死谷學生成績以提高校譽的私校,亦有十分有愛心,有教無類的私校.

3. 個別學校按情況而定,有些即使收也可能要留級.

bb2002 寫道:
1...只知資優o既小朋友同一般o既小朋友行為上有d唔同.
但智力有問題o既小朋友又係同一般o既小朋友行為上都有不同.
2...係唔係即係轉私校/直資小學?
3...以佢o既情況同成績,會唔會唔收?

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發表於 06-1-23 12:57 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

dr.t,
thx~!
我都係最近先知佢個仔係咁.
可能佢覺得唔係什麼好事.所以忍左成年幾.
果次講開大家o既小朋友情況,佢先講少少比我知.

咁講,而家都係等.....

anyway,我會轉告返佢知.

thx so much~!

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發表於 06-1-23 13:15 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

或許她是覺得大大吓會好啲...諱疾忌醫是不少人嘅心態,相信她是期望等到見到醫生時,醫生話佢個仔無問題 叼就一天光晒.但客觀事實似乎事與願違...

我諗你可以做嘅是鼓勵佢主動向外尋求協助,不要再白等...因為孩子在學業得不到滿足,自然會在行為上做出一些他自己覺得有成功感(例如挑戰老師),但後果十分嚴重的不智表現:-|

bb2002 寫道:
...我都係最近先知佢個仔係咁.
可能佢覺得唔係什麼好事.所以忍左成年幾.
果次講開大家o既小朋友情況,佢先講少少比我知...

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416
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發表於 06-1-23 14:00 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

"孩子在學業得不到滿足,自然會在行為上做出一些他自己覺得有成功感(例如挑戰老師),但後果十分嚴重的不智表現"

你說的完全對~!
而家佢個仔已經係咁.
當老師要求佢盡量唔好影響同學時.佢就會說出一些唔應該係小一學校說的話來.
當父母要求佢坐定定做功課時.佢會以粗言穢語回敬(這可能係學爸爸).

當我堂姐肯打開心窗同我傾訴.我已勸佢盡快搵專業人士幫忙.
我知佢自己壓力都好大.而家唯有盡量幫佢.

呢個小朋友好活潑.記性好好.只係欠一點專心.

anyway~
好多謝你~!

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628
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發表於 06-1-23 21:27 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

bb2002﹕

俾篇文章過你睇.....
在俾"過度活躍症" 孩子吃藥前,除了考慮其它因素外,不妨也考慮是否和視力有關??

Vision, Learning and ADD/ADHD
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Attention deficit disorder (ADD) and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), are frequently diagnosed conditions among school age children, now more than ever. In fact, it is one of the most common behavioral disorders diagnosed in children living in the U.S.

It is estimated that 3%-5% of school age children have ADHD, or about 3 1/2 million American children. Boys outnumber girls 3 to 1 and are more often diagnosed with ADHD. Since girls tend not to have the hyperactivity component, it is suspected that girls are underidentified.

Once thought that symptoms fade with the onset of adulthood, it is now estimated that 1/3 to 2/3 of all ADHD children become ADHD adults.

Did you know that almost all of the symptoms associated with both ADD and ADHD are also symptoms found in vision related learning problems?

If these symptoms are due to vision, the vision problem can be fixed and the symptoms will stop.

Definitions of ADD and ADHD
===================
ADD is characterized by poor attention span and difficulty controlling impulses. According to the Diagnostics an Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV (DSM-IV) which sets the criteria for diagnosis, six or more symptoms listed for inattention must be observed for six months in a manner that is considered inconsistent with that child's developmental level before ADD can be diagnosed.

ADHD also includes hyperactivity. Six or more symptoms listed in hyperactivity or impulsivity must be observed for six months in a manner inconsistent with that child's developmental level in order to be diagnosed with ADHD.

Many children truly do suffer from ADD and ADHD, but certain visual and learning problems may appear as ADD and ADHD type symptoms.

Many symptoms seen in ADD and ADHD are similar to vision related learning difficulties. Visual dysfunctions will not respond to most ADD/ADHD treatments, especially pharmaceutical treatments. It is possible that a child can be medicated unnecessarily, therefore it is important to know if the correct problems are being treated.

Children with vision problems, even those such as hyperopia (farsightedness), accommodative (focusing), or binocular dysfunctions (how their eyes work together), may exhibit the same signs as ADD/ADHD in the classroom.

Their visual systems cannot tolerate the demands within the classroom for very long, so avoidance behaviors are common. A thorough vision exam will rule out any possible vision problems that may be part of the reason for a child's behavior.

General habits that may be observed in children with vision problems, but can also be ADD/ADHD symptoms include:

Careless mistakes in homework and class work
.Poor ability to sustain attention and stay on task
.Poor listening skills
.Difficulty following directions
.Loses and misplaces things often
.Talks excessively and interrupts others
.Fidgety
.Difficult time organizing, prioritizing work and activities
.Shifts from one activity to another
.Difficulty playing quietly

Remember, vision is important, but it can be only ONE part of a bigger problem. It is even possible to have ADD or ADHD, as well as a vision problem. Fixing the vision problem may not be all that is needed to help your child. This is why a multidisciplinary approach is ideal.

Who diagnoses ADD/ADHD?
===================
Any physician is actually able to diagnose these disorders. However, many general practitioners do not take the time to make sure their patient fits all the criteria for diagnosis, before they determine it is the only cause of the symptoms. Often their first treatment is to prescribe medication.

Psychiatrists are specialty medical doctors. Child and adolescent psychiatric training requires 4 years of medical school, at least 3 years of approved residency training in medicine, neurology, and general psychiatry with adults, and 2 years of training in psychiatric work with children, adolescents, and their families in an accredited residency in child and adolescent psychiatry. They are trained to look at biological and physiological problems, but also psychological and social factors in working with patients.

Psychologists obtain their doctorate in clinical psychology (though their our masters programs available in counseling) and pass board tests in order to practice. They also look at psychological and social factors when working with patients, as well as the physiological and biological factors, since mind and body are closely linked. At this time are not able to prescribe medication themselves, but do take more time to observe the child to make a proper diagnosis. If medication is deemed necessary, they will refer to the appropriate professional.

Other professionals, such as teachers, school counselors, optometrists, etc., can recognize the signs and symptoms of ADD/ADHD and may refer you to one of the above professionals for appropriate testing to rule out these disorders.

Unfortunately, many children are being diagnosed hastily by primary care physicians, pediatricians, etc. based on parent or teacher recommendations. This often leads to medication prescriptions to handle the problem.

It is our opinion that a person that specializes in behavioral conditions, such as a psychiatrist or psychologist, will be able to test and observe a child more thoroughly to diagnose individuals with ADD/ADHD and decide if medication is absolutely necessary. They are also trained to rule out other possible behavioral issues. This is not meant to undermine the family doctors and pediatricians. It is meant to illustrate that their our specialists specifically trained in behavioral problems.

If you were having a baby, would you want your family physician taking care of you, or would you want to go to an obstetrician that is specially trained to deliver babies?
Your family physician may know how to deliver a baby, but the obstetrician does it all the time and will be more trained to handle problems along the way. The same goes for a diagnosis of a behavioral problem that will be there for the rest of a child's life.

Psychostimulant Medications - Ritalin, Dexedrine, Cylert

A huge number of children diagnosed with ADD or ADHD are treated with psychostimulant medications. In 1995 it was estimated that more than 1.5 million American children aged 5 to 18 were taking Ritalin. This number has about doubled by now.

These medications have been found to improve easier manageability of children and increased time on tasks, but it has not been proven that these medications actually affect academic achievement. One double blind study shows no cognitive, academic or behavior improvement over time between children diagnosed with ADHD that have taken medication compared to those who have not.

Psychostimulant Medications and their Visual Side Effects
Paradoxically, these drugs can also cause visual side effects that can actually make it more difficult for a child with ADD/ADHD to concentrate on learning related tasks. Ritalin (methylphenidate) and Dexedrine (dextroamphetamine) may include decreased focusing power, dilated pupils (also related to focusing) and blurry vision. Cylert (pemoline) can cause double vision, eye turns and nystagmus ("jumpy" eyes). If a child has already been experiencing some of these visual problems, these medications may actually enhance their problem.

Careful diagnosis of ADD/ADHD is important
To make a careful diagnosis of ADD/ADHD, it is important to rule out all other explanations for the symptoms manifesting, including health reasons, allergies, other behavioral problems such as depression, hearing problems and vision problems. This means that it is wise to see different professionals that specialize in the mentioned areas, along with seeing a psychologist. This can get expensive, but if you want to really know what your child is struggling with, it may be worth the cost to find the most appropriate treatment(s) for your child.

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遠視眼不是一般 20/20 普通驗眼驗得到,因為幼兒至40歲前,我們能自動調節眼肌...如果懷疑孩子有過度活躍或注意力缺乏症,而又未驗眼的 (要專業視光師仔細驗眼..),最好先行詳細驗一驗,睇下有無遠視或其它視力問題...然後再打算......

以上只是作為參考而已。
誰會直率地說出所認識的真實?有所認識的少數人,愚蠢地不隱蔽自己充實的心,向愚民們說明他們的感情和見識,他們總是被人磔死或燒死。 歌德 <<浮士德>>入來做下test,不同的人對事情有不同的看法和感受﹗

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416
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發表於 06-1-24 10:14 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

睡覺:
你好~!
多謝你這篇文章~
被你提醒了~
小朋友不能集中注意力,不只係懷疑患有過度活躍.
有可能係視力有問題導致不能專注.

可是小朋友不是定期會返健康院檢查嗎?
何解健康院會查不出小朋友視力和心智出現問題??

我會再轉告我堂姐.待她等候見政府心理醫生時,
順道帶小朋友去驗眼.

其實我明白她的感受~不太好過.
人家都把她的孩子看作一個沒教養的野孩子,可是沒看孩子潛在的困難~包括我堂姐的父母/老爺奶奶.

好多謝你~!

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628
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發表於 06-1-24 10:49 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

通常健康院護士會建議你的孩子三或四歲返去做視力檢查,

之但係,到夠年齡時,我唔見佢地有特地通知小朋友返去驗。

咁,家長見到小朋友表面上看好似無睇野問題,於是也沒有返去驗。

咁,即使返去驗,以前都係護士替小朋友作好普通的視力檢查,例如看下EEE...睇下小朋友睇唔睇得清。

之但係,如果係遠視 (其它如散光我就不清楚)的話,小朋友在年幼時係會自動調節眼肌去睇野的,所以佢地會睇到遠或近的事物一點都不出奇。我阿仔就係LI類小朋友。

咁,佢好好彩,4歲我主動同佢去健康院檢查,碰巧健康院剛轉了視光師代替護士,咁,我阿仔經視光師多翻測量...看ABCD時全都看得到...但係後來用了一些特別的"怪"尺去量度....又看紅綠燈之類的物體....最後,初步測到佢有分別百幾及三百幾度遠視。我完全不敢相信,平時佢睇野都好地地架....

咁,後來我被轉介去睇眼科醫生,滴左放鬆眼肌之類的眼藥水,就正式驗出佢每隻眼都有500度遠視,唔滴眼藥水係無咁準確的....咁,以佢4歲的年紀,....真係幾高下。

咁,我有鄰居個女快六歲了,佢常覺得個女雙眼好怪,有點斜,佢話俾健康院醫生知,個醫生話無野,只係鼻扁....咁佢就無再理個囡,以為咁就係"驗"左眼。咁我叫左佢再去BOOK期約健康院視光師驗眼。佢個囡之前係有發展障礙的...不過經兼收學校老師跟進,已有好大改善。

等我搵返之前我POST過有關視力與學習問題的TOPIC再給你睇丫﹗
誰會直率地說出所認識的真實?有所認識的少數人,愚蠢地不隱蔽自己充實的心,向愚民們說明他們的感情和見識,他們總是被人磔死或燒死。 歌德 <<浮士德>>入來做下test,不同的人對事情有不同的看法和感受﹗

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發表於 06-1-24 10:59 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

"過度活躍症" ADD或ADHD..的發生當然不一定和視力有關,不過你可以當作參考,以備萬一..

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http://www.baby-kingdom.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=495556&forum=17&26

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誰會直率地說出所認識的真實?有所認識的少數人,愚蠢地不隱蔽自己充實的心,向愚民們說明他們的感情和見識,他們總是被人磔死或燒死。 歌德 <<浮士德>>入來做下test,不同的人對事情有不同的看法和感受﹗

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發表於 06-1-24 12:07 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

前幾年因為與某醫生及視光師的合作(他們是"相信"視力"是影響學習表現的一派),自己親身進行了一系列有關視力的測試...結果是發現我的左右眼協調有問題,但從單純的視力測試是驗不出的,但似乎是解釋了我在20歲前讀書不成的原因

但要強調的是這只是解釋專注力困難/過度活躍症的一個可能性,因為就以我自己作為一個專注力困難的人為例,視覺協調困難就不能夠解釋我行事衝動及多心的性格(昨天才因此幾乎切去自己的手指 只可以說性格急躁與學歷是沒有直接關係 )

當然基本的視力與聽覺評估有時可以撇除(rule out)因生理因素而造成學習/行為情緒困難的可能性,至於有否需要再進一步找類似我先前合作的一類醫生及視光師作檢查及訓練,就見仁見智了.

睡覺 寫道:
...我有鄰居個女快六歲了,佢常覺得個女雙眼好怪,有點斜,佢話俾健康院醫生知,個醫生話無野,只係鼻扁....咁佢就無再理個囡,以為咁就係"驗"左眼。咁我叫左佢再去BOOK期約健康院視光師驗眼。佢個囡之前係有發展障礙的...不過經兼收學校老師跟進,已有好大改善...

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發表於 06-1-24 12:13 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

dr.t,
請問你現職係唔係醫生??
何解你話你讀書唔成?

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發表於 06-1-24 12:22 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

我正職是私人執業教育心理學家,副業係大學講師,豆泥作家,電台/電視台客串臨記,辨公室打雜...

我係話20歲前...這是事實...現在當然有幾張沙紙見得吓人

bb2002 寫道:
請問你現職係唔係醫生??...何解你話你讀書唔成?

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發表於 06-1-24 12:28 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

dr.t,
~唔好晒命喇~!
幾張沙紙,我想信想當年都可以找到一份好工.
而家就唔知.至少你而家已係一個專業人士~

你話你o係電台工作?(客串)
請問你係唔係姓葉?

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發表於 06-1-24 12:40 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

深信所有人都是他們自己熟悉範疇的"專業人士",即使簡單如修理一張壞了的辦公室座椅,我這個非專業人士胡亂去整攪到幾乎手指都斷埋

姓"葉" ...唉...等我仲以為自己喺BK已經蒲咗好耐:-| 在小弟回覆的一格下面已有網址...

bb2002 寫道:
...至少你而家已係一個專業人士~...你話你o係電台工作?(客串)...請問你係唔係姓葉?

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Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

dr.t,
"在小弟回覆的一格下面已有網址..."

sorry~!鄧醫生~

本人剛剛才click入你o既website度睇到~
唔好意思~!

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Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

唔係醫生...博士啫...要澄清如果唔係又有人話架啦...不過我都有教醫學生嘅

bb2002 寫道:
...sorry~!鄧醫生~

本人剛剛才click入你o既website度睇到~
唔好意思~!

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Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

Dr. T:
確有很多父母認為"過度活躍"不是很大的問題,
認為孩子長大便會乖, 而諱疾忌醫!
我大伯亦是一個例子,
我(作為不專業但已認為) .....他兒子有過度活躍亦有自殘傾向, 而學校亦估計他仔有學習障礙, 著他作評估.......但父母卻不帶孩子就醫, 唉!

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發表於 06-1-24 18:01 |只看該作者

Re: 過度活躍=資優/智障??

其實不單是"過度活躍",其他不能夠單從表面看到的學習/行為情緒問題也有同樣的情況(讀障,智障...)-不少家長寧願花一大筆金錢去為孩子報各種巧立名目的課程,也不會正正經經去小朋友安排評估,不要說私家的貴,即使是排政府幫他們寫埋轉介信也不願去.

極端的例子是在毫無客觀評估下將小朋友轉去國際學校甚至外國,以為可以一了百了,,,但結果越攪越喎-孩子到了17/18歲,人在外國,但又有學習困難,中又唔掂,英又見不得人,唉 :-|

我不會埋怨家長,只會為應該在這方面"教育"市民的專業團體永遠不思進取嘆息 :cry:

addy 寫道:
確有很多父母認為"過度活躍"不是很大的問題,
認為孩子長大便會乖, 而諱疾忌醫!
我大伯亦是一個例子,
我(作為不專業但已認為) .....他兒子有過度活躍亦有自殘傾向, 而學校亦估計他仔有學習障礙, 著他作評估.......但父母卻不帶孩子就醫, 唉!
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