Complaint about Music Festival - Cello Solo Intermediate 18/3/2010

kpmak

Did anyone's child join this competition at Luk Kwok Hotel on 18/3/2010. We are going to complain about the Adjudictor - Dr Yeung - who was too tight on giving marks. In the competition, most of the children are performed well; but only a few got marks above 80 (May be only the three children who are winners .. 86, 84 & 82). Most of them got 75 marks which is the minimum for getting a certificate. The scores are too low. All of us when getting the results are very disappointed. Our children spent times & efforts on it. Teachers disagreed, too.

The Adjudicator said that she is good at Cello; but she has wrongly wrote in comments that "Be careful not to let go your RIGHT-HAND THUMB in high positions". It should be LEFT-HAND. It appears in my friends' children with same mistake .. just copying.

Anyone who was in the same event, pls try to reflect your expressions to the HKSMSA. At least, her name may be removed for next year.

Thank you!

Era

同意!

今年明顯好多場都係俾分非常之緊,要俾獎亦緊,以前好多時都有好幾個第二,第三,今年多數都係一個起,兩個止.不過亦有d場係好多人攞到高分,即係成90分,但係連第三都冇.音樂既野,好多好主觀既因素啦!

原帖由 edexp 於 10-3-31 11:11 發表
讓小朋友參加這類的公開比賽，正確的目的是鼓勵小朋友敢於當眾表現，學習面對一群觀眾、克服緊張心情及控制情緒，也鼓勵小朋友學習正確的體育/競賽精神 - 公平競賽 、積極參與、全力以赴、無論勝利或失販都樂於接受賽果。
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ElizabethLAI

原帖由 kpmak 於 10-3-19 21:12 發表
Did anyone's child join this competition at Luk Kwok Hotel on 18/3/2010. We are going to complain about the Adjudictor - Dr Yeung - who was too tight on giving marks. In the competition, most of the c ...

My son was also in the intermediate grade, but he had the competion on a different day (yesterday).   His cello teacher also commented before our competition that she was too strict and the marks were extremely low.  Though one of his students perform rather good in his eyes, she had got only 80 marks.  Due to her unreasonable requirement and strict demand, my son needs to change half of the bowings just 3 days before the competition (during the last lesson before the competition).  Luckily, we did not see her yesterday.

Though I think the comments of the other two have their points, I still support you to reflect it to HK Schools Music and Speech Association as her standard really deviated from the normal standard a lot.  It did discourage a lot of children, including my neice who took part in Junior grade (he played well according to what the accompanist said, but he just got 78 marks   ).

By the way, as most of the participants are actually secondary school students, so I don't think you can find your target group here.

[ 本帖最後由 ElizabethLAI 於 10-4-2 08:44 編輯 ]

brian61950

奇怪的投訴.....
評判一視同仁有乜問題?
水準高的比賽囉唔到獎咪參加d底既囉.
檢討下人地的長處及自己的短處加倍努力先係正確的態度.
疴屎唔出賴地硬或以為學過少少就最叻,我可以預計,大把失敗等緊你呀.

原帖由 kpmak 於 10-3-19 21:12 發表
Did anyone's child join this competition at Luk Kwok Hotel on 18/3/2010. We are going to complain about the Adjudictor - Dr Yeung - who was too tight on giving marks. In the competition, most of the c ...

do-re-me

校際有些高級別的比賽要求參加者在上一次的比賽取得最少某一個分數才可參賽. 如果不同評審的評分相差太遠, 就會影響到下一組比賽的公平性. 例如某一組的評分偏低, 全組都不能參加下一個比賽. 而這些組別(評分偏低)都是只得一個評審的. 所以, 問題不只是你們說的: " 這類的比賽不是重大公開考試，結果又不會影响深遠，做父母又何必斤斤計較賽果呢! 就算個評判真的判斷錯誤、或純粹寫錯評語，那又有甚麽大不了呢" 及 "奇怪的投訴.....評判一視同仁有乜問題?水準高的比賽囉唔到獎咪參加d底既囉.檢討下人地的長處及自己的短處加倍努力先係正確的態度.疴屎唔出賴地硬或以為學過少少就最叻,我可以預計,大把失敗等緊你呀."

ysnmama

現今的家長太注重比賽結果. 真會令自己及兒女們也神經緊張. 雖然比賽最後以獲獎或分數來衡量成績. 但我卻不太明白. 如果小朋友已盡努力. 在你們心目中已經很好. 而大家又同一時間在相同制度, 標準及評審下去取得成績. 為何還要有那麼多投訴呢?

認真的比賽. 有高的評審標準. 不是更好嗎? 人人也有高分的. 那時又會嫌棄為何那麼沒有認受性吧.

比賽真的必定要有獎嗎? 現今的孩子真可憐. 鼓勵孩子們除了獎狀及分數. 家長其實最重要. 你們自己將獎這回事看得很重. 孩子們順理成章將得失也看得很重要.

ElizabethLAI

原帖由 ysnmama 於 10-4-1 08:48 發表
而大家又同一時間在相同制度, 標準及評審下去取得成績 ...

I think this is just the point which troubled kpmak the most.  The competition was not conducted in the same standard as there were totally 4 groups in Intermediate grade, but only her group was rated by Dr. Yeung, so you can imagine, one did pretty well in Dr. Yeung's group would get lower marks than the one played not so well in the other 3 groups (conducted by a same adjudicator).  In fact, I had accompanied my sons to music festival over 15 times, I agree such a standard of marks-giving was very unusual.  

I think kpmak's son might be in primary school, so she may also need to use that certificate to apply for a secondary school.  Some schools may require this cert to prove his ability, that's why she felt so upset about this.  I think it is quite understandble.

brian61950

大家想像下以下的世界........
比賽得一個評判
考車得一個考牌官
會考作文得一個人改卷
公平但可能要等幾千年.

LA

I was told by a cello teacher who had students particpated in 3 Cello Junior Competition on 3 different days at Luk Kwok Hotel. They all played the same song.

Day 1 - Adjudictor Dr Yeung, Champion got 84 marks, 2nd runner up got 80 marks, thus all players except 4 winners (two 2nd runner up) got <79 marks .

Day 2 - Adjudicator Dr Yeung, similar case.

Day 3 - Another adjudicator. Champion got close to 90 marks, a lot of participants got >80 marks.

Who will be the winner is a comparison among the participants in the same event. But whether participants can get 'good' scores / a cert depends on who is the adjudicator, in other words, LUCK.

ElizabethLAI

原帖由 edexp 於 10-4-1 15:58 發表
It is so poor to hear that the objective of attaining such kind of competition is to use that certificate to apply for a secondary school.

I am afraid I need to clarify that I don't mean the purpose of kpmak letting his son to take part in the competition is to get the cert for applying for a secondary school.

However, a lot of schools do consider the performance of the student's extracurricular activities, I think it is quite normal for the parents to hand in the application form with the relevant certificates when they apply for a secondary school.  Of course, I agree that certifciate is a by-product only, it is not the main purpose for the competition.

[ 本帖最後由 ElizabethLAI 於 10-4-1 20:12 編輯 ]

do-re-me

追求公平是錯的嗎? 為什麼不可追求公平? 如果會考出現不公平的評審, 教育界要出來交代甚至有官員要辭職.

你們說"就算真的少某一個分數不能參加一些高級別的比賽又有甚麽大不了啊, 大不了咪下次再試過囉!" 我要告訴你們, 那些組別是有年齡限制的, 等得到下年已經超齡了. 你們為什麼硬要對那些小朋友不公平? 有人出來投訴好讓以後的小朋友得到公平你們又不滿?

edea

原帖由 brian61950 於 10-3-31 12:17 發表
奇怪的投訴.....
評判一視同仁有乜問題?
水準高的比賽囉唔到獎咪參加d底既囉.
檢討下人地的長處及自己的短處加倍努力先係正確的態度.
疴屎唔出賴地硬或以為學過少少就最叻,我可以預計,大把失敗等緊你呀.

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說話請帶尊重, 顧及別人感受, 謝謝.

edea

Ciz

我理解，因囝囝小提琴亦是同一評判，分數同樣不合理地低，琴老師說這位評判每一場的評分都如是，相信會有其他家長、老師向主辦機構反映。

完全明白比賽的意義，但作為家長，看見子女多月來的努力沒有得到應有的recognition，心裏真的不好受，我沒有在小朋友面前表露出來，只嘗試給他更多鼓勵，希望減低他的挫敗感。但如何在教導他凡事要盡力取得最好成績，和不要太在意成果中取得平衡，我還沒有掌握得到。

brian61950

思前想後,我知錯了.串人真衰.

希望他們的孩子以後次次第一,次次有獎,冇獎個次呢不如一齊去投訴及遊行.

或五區公投囉.

去高院上訴呀.......我得把口支持.

真心想你好

原帖由 edea 於 10-4-2 01:15 發表


說話請帶尊重, 顧及別人感受, 謝謝.

edea