港島區/九龍區 "生物療法"醫生

why-me

請問有沒有港島區/九龍區 懂得"生物療法"醫生資料?
最好是你們子女曾經接受過治療的, 因想帶小兒一試, 但又不知從何入手, 很迷網!

charisma07

何解想試"生物療法"？你對上兩個星期日，有否出席"生物療法"講座？

我正打算開始試，但我沒有找DAN!醫生，只是自己先行戒口，試吃GFCFSF食物，並做igG testing，看看成效才繼續。

現在正搜尋香港買到、又不太貴的GFCFSF食物，的確有點難度，但不會放棄。大家可以交流下。

why-me

我沒有出席, 但不是要找DAN醫生做 igG testing?
另外亦想替小兒做重金屬測試, 真不知應從那裡開始...
我兒5歲了, 恐怕過了"黃金期" 所以相當心急.

至於GFCFSF食物是什麼?

在這幾方面真的希望你或其他家長能指教下.
謝謝!

原帖由 charisma07 於 10-11-4 23:59 發表
何解想試"生物療法"？你對上兩個星期日，有否出席"生物療法"講座？

我正打算開始試，但我沒有找DAN!醫生，只是自己先行戒口，試吃GFCFSF食物，並做igG testing，看看成效才繼續。

現在正搜尋香港買到、又不太貴的GFCFSF食物，的確有 ...

[ 本帖最後由 why-me 於 10-11-5 10:50 編輯 ]

shanyeungbb

why-me,
如果你想幫小朋友做重金屬測試, 你可以查看Doctor's Data Inc.: http://www.doctorsdata.com/home.asp
先發現小朋友是否金屬超標, 才作下一步的決定。
另外, GFCF 即Gluten Free, Casein Free 的食物, 要不含穀膠及牛奶, 至於點解要戒口, 你可以上Little Giant 的網頁:
http://www.littlegianthk.com/en_index.php
有資料幫到你。

豬_兜兜

原帖由 charisma07 於 10-11-4 23:59 發表
何解想試"生物療法"？你對上兩個星期日，有否出席"生物療法"講座？

我正打算開始試，但我沒有找DAN!醫生，只是自己先行戒口，試吃GFCFSF食物，並做igG testing，看看成效才繼續。

現在正搜尋香港買到、又不太貴的GFCFSF食物，的確有 ...

我也正有你的想法....

問題是
1) 我小朋友好瘦好瘦, 我知佢腸胃一定有問題, 不知道先戒口或是看醫生好?
2) 看醫生都唔知睇得邊個?
你小朋友腸胃好嗎??

FoEE

my son tried a DAN doctor in Wanchai (a foreigner) for 6 months, with strict GFCF diet, had the various vitamins/minerals, did the various blood and urine test etc and there was ZERO improvement.
The doctor was expensive and did not explain well the results of the various tests (which are very expensive).  He sees the kid once a month and everytime he said the kid has shown some improvement.  But as a father I did not notice any improvement however much I hoped his words were true.

May be that treatment is just not suitable for my kid.  I cannot say it won't work on other cases.  As parent of the special kid, I understand you want to try everything.  Just have a clear mind about it and don't over expect.

shanyeungbb

FoEE,
請問閣下的兒子做了不同的測試, 是什麼測試? 其中有没有做重金屬測試?  如有, 結果如何?

FoEE

原帖由 shanyeungbb 於 10-11-5 18:35 發表
FoEE,
請問閣下的兒子做了不同的測試, 是什麼測試? 其中有没有做重金屬測試?  如有, 結果如何?

the urine test was for heavy metal intoxication.  the sample was sent to France.  The report is full of numbers with lots of technical terms ("uroporphyrins", "heptacarboxy porphyrin" etc are all over the report...very few terms can be understood...tried google some of the terms but most of them don't make sense...my wife has a degree in chemistry and she cannot understand most of the terms).  the report has some drawings of charts etc all over the place, some indicating high level of certain substance.   the report just does not look organised and it does not really tell you anything.  

when we visit the doctor for it, he was flipping through it (not reading, just flipping) and then said gave us the usual subscription without explaining what the report really said.  my feeling is that it was a complete waste of money.


the other tests included the stool test and blood test.  i cannot find the report now.

[ 本帖最後由 FoEE 於 10-11-5 22:14 編輯 ]

charisma07

why-me,

以我所知做金屬測試一定要經DAN醫生轉介，但這個層面已非常昂貴，我想從我的能力開始，igG testing是可以自己去驗($2300-3500)，報告亦可以自己睇得明(但我要說明我未做testing，只是計劃中)，另外介口也可以自己試，因為外國資料顯示大部份自閉兒對gluten同Casein都敏感(當然也有例外)，所以我期望做到介口+食omega3幾個月，可以見見效果。而我會替兒子介埋soy，所以佢的diet係GFCFSF。

有關biomedical treatment，其實網上的定義同做法都各有出入，真要花點時間鑽研，值得參考的網站有：
www.autism.com
www.talkaboutcuringautism.org/index.php
www.gfcfdiet.com

你可以看看這些website，佢地有些小朋友11歲介口，仍然見到成效，不要擔心﹗

charisma07

豬_兜兜,

慶幸我的兒子胃口不錯，他很多食物也肯吃。但我想戒口不會太影響體重，因為我每戒一點食物，也給他另一樣食物取代，例如無牛奶，有米奶﹔無一般麵包，卻有專為他製的米造麵包(用麵包機造，但無一般麵包好味)﹔無通粉，有米通粉。其餘飯頪、肉類都不用戒，只是盡可能食有機的，水果蔬菜照大量供應﹗

反而問題是我一下子轉有機食物，又要避麥、奶、豆，即連鼓油都不可用，煮食習慣要改，食物開支大了，一時之間接受不了，這個月實很忙，但我相信實行久了，自有省錢的方法。

我暫不會找醫生，因為香港的選擇不多，唯一的一兩個，口卑又……聽各位媽咪講，已經嚇唬了﹗

FoEE

GFCF certainly will cost much more than normal esp those products are mostly made in US or Australia.  a usual packet of spagetti costs $15, but rice or corn spagetti can cost $40+, yet you could also buy 米線 instead which is cheap.  Go to Little Giant for research.  In TST there is a shop called Organic Twinkle with rather limited selection but they have more Japanese made products.

My son is now on a half-GF, full-CF diet, and taking some Vitamin B, Omega-3 and pectin (蘋果果膠).

shanyeungbb

FoEE,
Regarding the urine test, please check PM.

shanyeungbb

The following website also contains useful information:
http://www.generationrescue.org/

why-me

首先多謝你們提供的資料及意見...看了FoEE 的忠告, 我真的不敢亂來, 因金錢有限, 搵了個"無良"就不知怎回頭.

至於各位在文中提及的網頁, 大部份都只有英文, 我英文程度為"有限公司"...好多都睇唔明 ~_~

我以為"牛奶"唔可以飲, 真的不知"豆"都唔可以食, 等我呢兩年比了"豆奶"小兒飲, 原來又是害了他.

但小兒真的"無奶不歡"每天早上及睡前都要飲, 可以用什麼奶代替呢? 那裡可以買到?

白米飯可以吃嗎?

唯一可喜是小兒不喜歡吃零食. 但麵包...呢方面點介呢?

好煩, 有時感到十分低落, 為何我生一個會咁, 人地生一打都冇事, 我真的不想去想, 但往往在低沈時又去想...但當見小兒有點進步時又很開心...總是活在V型情緒中, 像坐過山車一樣...恐怕自己有一日會精神分裂

myson727

HI why-me, 可看看這個關於"生物療法"的中文的網站。
http://www.littlegianthk.com/common/fz-zb-detail.html

我個A仔做左"生物療法"半年，是找醫生做的，因我最怕麻煩，驗屎($3500)、尿($4000)及Igg ($4500)都是經醫生做，因我真是好怕麻煩，而且A仔如果驗屎後，如果發現惡菌多的話，要食抗生素，所以自己做唔倒，如果有重金屬，要食藥排毒，要定期檢查肝工能，自己也是做不到的。

食物方面，做了Igg，就會知道個仔食了甚麽食物會影響他，個個不同，我個仔就對蛋，花生都有反應。

原帖由 why-me 於 10-11-8 23:37 發表
首先多謝你們提供的資料及意見...看了FoEE 的忠告, 我真的不敢亂來, 因金錢有限, 搵了個"無良"就不知怎回頭.

至於各位在文中提及的網頁, 大部份都只有英文, 我英文程度為"有限公司"...好多都睇唔明 ~_~

我以為"牛 ...

FoEE

the heavy metal removal process called "chelation" is a process that could cause damages to the body.  be careful.

i recently attended a seminar presented by Dr. Ron Leaf of Autism Partnership in HK.  he spent the last 35 years in autism including participating in some of the earliest research in the subject.  Dr. Leaf said todate, only ABA is the proven solution to autism.  all the other like GFCF, TEEACH, chelation, accupunture etc are not supported by scientific research.  His list does not include bioresonance therapy though (may be they did not know it exist?).

I asked Dr. Leaf what is the difference between ABA and TEEACH (which is the method adopted by Hip Hong).  He said TEEACH tries to change the environment to make it easier for the child, while ABA aims at changing the child.   My son goes to Hip Hong and I agree with what Dr. Leaf said.

ABA requires intense and concentrated effort so it is gonna be costly, unfortunately.

myson727

我個仔排左毒半年，醫生check往他的肝工能，OK喎。
留往啲重金屬，米重傷身。

我對我個A仔，就做左好多好多scientific research，一吃了小小"禁品"，反應減慢，發夢，亂跑亂跳，有些我拍了video，唔到我唔信，所以最近的學校的測驗，戎足100%，成積超乎我所想。

原帖由 FoEE 於 10-11-9 18:48 發表
the heavy metal removal process called "chelation" is a process that could cause damages to the body.  be careful.

i recently attended a seminar presented by Dr. Ron Leaf of Autism Partnership in HK. ...

why-me

myson727,
謝謝你提供了中文網站給我.
請問你是找那一位醫生替你兒子做檢查及跟進?
不計前期的檢驗費, 每月花在醫療費上大約多少錢?
可否給我一點資料, 因我對生物療法有信心.
麻煩你!

原帖由 myson727 於 10-11-10 16:00 發表
我個仔排左毒半年，醫生check往他的肝工能，OK喎。
留往啲重金屬，米重傷身。

我對我個A仔，就做左好多好多scientific research，一吃了小小"禁品"，反應減慢，發夢，亂跑亂跳，有些我拍了video，唔到我唔信，所以最近的學校的測驗，戎足100 ...

FoEE

原帖由 myson727 於 10-11-10 16:00 發表
我個仔排左毒半年，醫生check往他的肝工能，OK喎。
留往啲重金屬，米重傷身。

我對我個A仔，就做左好多好多scientific research，一吃了小小"禁品"，反應減慢，發夢，亂跑亂跳，有些我拍了video，唔到我唔信，所以最近的學校的測驗，戎足100 ...

煩請PM告知醫生資料，謝謝。我對我見過的DAN！Doctor是有保留的。也希望找到好醫生.
我現在做的是bioresonance therapy。

myson727

Hi FoEE

你個小朋友做左bioresonance therapy後，情況如何呢？

原帖由 FoEE 於 10-11-10 23:37 發表


煩請PM告知醫生資料，謝謝。我對我見過的DAN！Doctor是有保留的。也希望找到好醫生.
我現在做的是bioresonance therapy。