小一派位謬誤 不吐不快

roader-A

本文是寫給9月有子女升K3 的家長看的. 9月有子女升小一的家長, 現在才看到已經太遲.
看到部份派位不理想家長的留言, 其無知的情度實在令我吃驚.  
部份家長留言如下:
1.        我只係填咗4間.
2.         我都唔好得你幾多；我填左５間，
3. 我哋讀 Kent 又喺派得唔好
4. 已經去間所謂好o既幼稚園，學校成續九成highly developed或 excellent，都入唔到喇沙、拔萃，都唔知入到呢兩間學校會係d咩學生呢？
5. 大抽獎......衰左完全唔睇成績,抽到第9志願,要去叩門

任何一本教人選小學的 [天書] 或政府的資料, 都會叫家長儘量多填志願. 只填5,6個是最愚蠢的做法. 因為有可能派到山卡拉你沒有選的學校.( 參考豆丁大晒PAGE 22). 敢問這些只填4,5個志願的家長在填表時有沒有參考過任何選校指南?

所有參加自行派位及統一派位大抽獎的小學, 是不理會學生唸那間幼稚園, 成績如何出眾的. 竟然有家長不知道. 以為唸間[勁] 的幼稚園可以提高入名校機會.

本文無意落井下石. 只是來者可追. 奉勸9月有子女升K3 的家長, 前輩犯過的錯誤不要再犯. 填表千萬小心. 不要疏忽大意.

SandyKL

roader-A,

我同意你寫話名幼稚園未必入到名小學之說，但至於你說只填4、5間大錯特錯，咁又未必，我都知道要填哂，因為如果唔填哂所有網入面d學校，真係有可能唔知會被塞左去邊。

我唔係今年既9月準小一家長，而我曾經歷過，有時面對填表揀學校，真係心大心細架，有d學校根本係抽到都唔想讀，所以我當時都係第二部分填上5間學校算勒，萬一抽唔到理5間，我諗住唔會註冊，一來我已有一間私校做後備，二來我會不辭勞苦去叩門，好好彩我抽到第三志願，雖然唔係首選，但我心滿意足啦。

所以我好明白你既心意，但我覺得如果唔想落空，不在於點填學校，因為大抽獎真係完全睇彩數，最佳方法都係要起碼有一間私校/直資打底較為穩健。

MLMaMa

我想你不是家長. 要知道我們填得少. 係因為其他就算派到都唔想讀.  我地俾咁多錢都讀名校幼稚園.  係對自己子女祈望和付出.   明知係大抽奖情況下毫無幫助仍會去做.

Teresa

MLmama,

我當然明白你既意思啦.  每區都有d好heat既學校同有d"大家心裹有數"既學校.  但roader-a係想講, 第二輪大抽獎個rule就係咁架喇.  就算有幾多間你唔鐘意, 你都要填 (最多放到後d次序), 如果只係填幾間真正心儀既學校, 而咁岩又全部派哂位, 你個號碼再排就係空白, 咁電腦會將你放埋一邊, 等到全世界派完哂, 仲有邊d有學額既至到你.  等到全世界都分哂位而仲有剩既, 大家都知道係咩學校, 結果就係你想像唔到既咁差law.

所以各位9月要填表既爸媽, 記得睇多幾次教統局比o個隻vcd, 有好詳細介紹個機制, 一次睇唔明就睇多幾次, 要小心選擇呀!

Ted

ML MaMa

I totally agreed that parents had certain expectation.  In general if our child is not able to get the 1st or 2nd priorities it is already a disaster to us.

The situation is even worst in certain nets, for example for net 41, the choice for boys are La Salle and DPS (a total of 136 seats), for girl it is a bit better as Maryknoll + 2 Holy Family are having almost 190 seats+.   So majority of parents in these nets will be those disappointed as no matter how hard they work and how smart their kids are, it is still impossible to secure seats in these school with better quality.

For parents going to join the game in coming year, my advise will be:
1. To help yr kid to secure a seats at a private school first.
2. To estimate the probablity of getting a place in the most popular school in your net.  If the chance is not high, you can only go for it in the first round and Part A in second round (where you can demonstrate to the school for yr sincerity during the door knocking stage).  But you must sacrefice this in Part B and go for your second best as 1st priority.  By doing so you will improve your chance.
3. Do not put high hope in the door knocking stage, the chance is very very low unless you know someone - the headmaster - in your dream school.

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seegui

其實呢個政策真係好唔公平, 有Ｄ網鬼死咁多好學校揀, 有Ｄ得過幾

小寶寶媽咪

我都係呀, 9月輪到我喇, 雖然我係net41, 但可以選既學校真不多, 瑪利諾當然係首選, 但首選唔得, 都唔知會派左去邊到, 依家心大心細, 放唔放棄net41, 怕唔夠人地好運  :cry:  :cry:  你地點睇??

smalle

小寶寶媽咪 寫道:
我都係呀, 9月輪到我喇, 雖然我係net41, 但可以選既學校真不多, 瑪利諾當然係首選, 但首選唔得, 都唔知會派左去邊到, 依家心大心細, 放唔放棄net41, 怕唔夠人地好運  :cry:  :cry:  你地點睇??

小寶寶媽咪,
既然係net41, 更係博一博啦,may be u r lucky!!!Good luck.

Mrssslui

其實好多人想用 Net 41都係想博入個幾間名校,一但派唔倒,就真係唔知派咗去邊啦!我有個fd好幾年前都係咁,自己住九龍塘,都派唔倒本區,派咗去一間唔識既,黃大仙某小學.好彩最後叩門叩到.
仲有 Net41,有好人其他外區既人買/借地址嚟抽,咁你地話個 chance 係唔係又細咗.

麟媽媽

Roader-A所講的非常正確，各位媽媽在替孩子選校時清楚明白個派位制度，要明白個遊戲規則。
其實間間幼稚園到K.3開學都有一張由教署印制的VCD比大家，大家應該多花時間睇睇張VCD，睇完便會清楚，絕對唔會有以上roader-A引述的題問或疑問。
坊間亦太多流傳，我覺得在選校前可以到心儀小學看看，就算唔入到去，在門外亦可觀察到該校學生一般既情況，從門外聽其早會，可看到學生的紀律如何，亦可聽到校長/老師在早會上對學生的態度，因為呢D都可見到該校校風如何。
而亦應問一問幼稚園老師，因為在家長眼中，自己的孩子都是最好的。幼稚園老師的意見比較中肯，而佢對住小朋友的時間亦很長，亦了解小朋友日常在學校的情況，應該可以比到意見家長，孩子適合讀傳統或活動式教學的小學。

Lovely媽咪

我都覺成現時仍有好多人以為入到有名的幼稚園就一定好學校,所以就算每日坐個幾2個鐘校車返學都認為值得,但另外一點我就並不太認同,我今年就只係填咗3間,因其他的真係唔想填,但我選第2間時就選一間唔係好出名,但校風不錯的學校,這樣就唔會好多人選佢為首志願,咁如我第一志願入唔到都好大機會入到呢間,所以我覺得選3間已夠.
好多人只會將最hit的填哂係頭幾位,當派不到第一志願就會好易去到5/6/7志願,因每個人都會將最hit的放在頭幾位.

Mrssslui

對考私學咪會有好大幫助囉!

Teresa

以訛傳訛，太多謬誤，在此再次post一些“權威”人士的小一派位tips:

明報  2003-09-11
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升小選校 知己知彼
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小一入學程序今年提早進行，個別校網因合併而擴大，家長替孩子選校彈性更大，但若想順利入讀心儀小學，仍須掌握選校、填表、面試的策略。升學專家趙榮德認為，升學選校最重「知己知彼」，即了解學校和學生的實力。

近 1000 名家長上周六（9 月6 日）出席《明報》主辦的「升小選校全攻略」講座，主講嘉賓包括教育統籌局學位分配組地域聯絡主任湯兆璋、香港輔導教師協會主席兼喇沙書院副校長趙榮德、小一入學委員會主席兼油

Junior-Fan

想問一問有關---他指若最心儀的為區內小學，則將之填於甲一位置，甲部其餘志願不填，至乙部首位繼續填這間小學，則入讀機會大增。


我應如何理解呢？請指教！

(一)叫人甲2、3不填，即是說在甲1派不到那校也確保了在甲部不會被派往他校，待全世界甲部派位完成，再在乙部draw過？

(二)如甲2、3不填，乙1會"升"上去同人地甲2一齊draw？

  

Ted

(一)叫人甲2、3不填，即是說在甲1派不到那校也確保了在甲部不會被派往他校，待全世界甲部派位完成，再在乙部draw過？  It is correct.   The purpose for not filling the 2nd or 3rd choice is to ENSURE that you are not assigned to these choices.

(二)如甲2、3不填，乙1會"升"上去同人地甲2一齊draw？
It is INCORRECT.  Yours Part B choice will not be mixed with Part A.   

Pls note that Part A is for allocation WITHOUT Net restriction and for each school there is only 10% of seats be available for this part.  The seats will be so easily filled up by others with an earlier randum number sequence than you, and with the same choice.  If you cannot get yr first choice in Part A, no one can get the place if they have an earlier sequence number than you but they have that as their 2nd choice.  I want to illustrate that in the following example:

Assume Boy#1 sequence number is 20 and yr choice of school is only  A

And Boy#2 sequence number of 10 and his choice of school is B A C.

The allocation mechanism will be first to evaluate Boy#2.  If school B has the seat, of course Boy#2 will get school B.  Otherwise, the system will not process Boy#2 and proceed to the next boy.

If when come to Boy#1, there are still place in School A, then Boy#1 can get the place.  If there is no place left in School A, Boy #1 will not get anything.    This is also true for Boy#2 because by the time the system comes back to Boy#2 to allocate his 2nd choice, all School A seats are gone and there is no way he can get School A.

So it is NOT really necessary to fill in both 1st, 2nd & 3rd in Part A with the same school because it is redundant.   Only if 1st, 2nd and 3rd are different schools, i.e. you are happy with any of the three.

I hope this clarify the system.




    

bighug

Thanks Ted for your clarification  

seegui

Ted:

多謝你的解釋, 非常清楚.     

Rainbowc.

你好.本人小朋友也是9月選小學,我知有兩次選校一次在9月,自行分配和統一派位,如果頭兩次都未分配學位要在大抽獎時選,乙部有大約30間可填,但是我46網區的學校加想心儀同有部份級上、下午和根本唔想讀在一齊都只有12間,可選只有兩三間我都不知點做好,有無媽咪可唔可以教路。
      

Teresa

Rainbowc. 寫道:
你好.本人小朋友也是9月選小學,我知有兩次選校一次在9月,自行分配和統一派位,如果頭兩次都未分配學位要在大抽獎時選,乙部有大約30間可填,但是我46網區的學校加想心儀同有部份級上、下午和根本唔想讀在一齊都只有12間,可選只有兩三間我都不知點做好,有無媽咪可唔可以教路。
      

如果你那區只有12間，無論怎樣放次序也要全部將12間填滿。你說可以選的只有兩三間，也不要只填這兩三間，事關你認爲好的學校也會是其它家長的"心水"，競爭就一定大。如果你不填滿12間學校，萬一派不到這兩三間，電腦就會“亂派”位。

JaniceYiu

Agree !

smalle 寫道:
[quote]
小寶寶媽咪 寫道:
我都係呀, 9月輪到我喇, 雖然我係net41, 但可以選既學校真不多, 瑪利諾當然係首選, 但首選唔得, 都唔知會派左去邊到, 依家心大心細, 放唔放棄net41, 怕唔夠人地好運  :cry:  :cry:  你地點睇??

小寶寶媽咪,
既然係net41, 更係博一博啦,may be u r lucky!!!Good luck.[/quote]