Pleyel or Yamaha?

babymiu

大家覺得pleyel的鋼琴如何? 我在tom lee試了yamaha U5, U3, pleyel 124 and 131。覺得pleyel 131($7x,000)的音色直頭勁靚，124也很好。個人覺得pleyel 124 ($55,000)比U5 ($60,000)還好。點選擇好呢? Pleyel 124可足夠用至演奏級嗎? 還是要131才可以呢? 因不想再換琴了。

有一樣很奇怪的是pleyel的琴有sostenuto pedal就會冇mute pedal。因mute pedal我經常都會用，如沒有sostenuto pedal, 演奏級用會有問題嗎? Yamaha U5 就有齊兩個pedal。

此外，pleyel琴保養會有困難嗎? Tom lee職員話保養同yamaha沒有分別，他的說話信得過嗎?請大家幫幫忙比些意見。Thanks a lot.
    

NM

其實甚麼"這個琴可用至八級/演奏級"等等說法都是沒有根據..甚至可以說是有點荒謬. 或者可以咁講: 冇琴係唔可以幫你去到某某級.

不過再荒謬也荒謬不過說Pleyel和Yamaha的保養是一樣 - 對, 如果你由Tom Lee買, 佢地都係俾果d保養你. 但係日本琴比歐洲琴更適合香港既氣候, 所以通常問題少好多. 都係搵個有經驗既朋友去一齊睇, 總好過得sales既意見.

wingwinglam

My friend has brought Yamaha U5 in Tomlee. That's really good. Sounds is same as Grand piano. You need to think the HK weather is not good for Europe's piano because so humid. Good luck

NM

wingwinglam 寫道:
My friend has brought Yamaha U5 in Tomlee. That's really good. Sounds is same as Grand piano.

雖然兩者都係用槌仔同鋼線發聲, 但係sounds the same? 沒可能吧  

babymiu

So how about U3 ($50,000)? It is $10,000 less than U5 but it doesn't have the sostenuto pedal. Is the pedal worth $10,000 more?     

Yamaha U3 -->$50,000 (without sostenuto pedal)
Yamaha U5 -->$60,XXX (with sostenuto and mute pedal)
Pleyel 124 --> $55,500 (with mute pedal but without sostenuto pedal)

How would you choose?

NM

I will not consider a U3 for the money because I think U3 is simply U1 with a bigger casing. As for U5 or Pleyel - having a sostenuto pedal or not won't be a particular factor unless you play a lot of things like Debussy or Messiaen, or if you really need it often for certain effects. Rather, resale value and ongoing maintenance costs should be considered instead.

Moreover, very often sostenuto pedals on uprights (as in U5) only sustain the bass notes. So in a way it's not a "true" sostenuto pedal. May be you can consider doing more research on the effect of climate on European pianos before making a decision.

Kingslady

Yamaha U5 的音色很美很柔和(不可與U3、U1比較)！它的觸鍵也不錯﹐價錢貴不單是因為仿Grand那麼簡單。若你不喜歡一般Yamaha那尖而真接的音色﹐但又想買個耐用的琴﹐而價錢又不是大問題﹐那U5確是個好選擇。Pleyel 的音色當然美(也視乎型號)﹐但在香港是否耐用就不得而知。你日後會否換琴？如換Grand？如會則怕Pleyel不易賣出﹐賣給琴行會蝕不少呢﹐而U5就不難直接賣給其他彈琴者。

Mao..Mao..

How about 'Sauter'?

其實以香港的天氣係咪真係甘唔適合歐洲琴?  

SK1

Pleyel音色真係靚好多.如果唔計錢,我都會選Pleyel.

NM

Mao..Mao.. 寫道:
How about 'Sauter'?

其實以香港的天氣係咪真係甘唔適合歐洲琴?  

是的. 要下好多功夫去保養. 正如日本琴去到美加一樣問題多多.

Mao..Mao..

是的. 要下好多功夫去保養. 正如日本琴去到美加一樣問題多多.

甘做到的都是長開抽濕機咋喎~  

babymiu

長期開暖管是否ok?

我都知u5比u3好，但價錢實在很貴。如音色沒有大分別和只是多了個pedal，但要比多萬多元，是否值得呢?

但如買u3又驚會要再換琴。很難選擇呢！   

NM

Mao..Mao.. 寫道:
[quote]是的. 要下好多功夫去保養. 正如日本琴去到美加一樣問題多多.

甘做到的都是長開抽濕機咋喎~   [/quote]

當然唔止咁簡單. 例如如果action唔穩定, 就要經常tune琴. 再加上長開泠氣抽濕機, 電費都好襟計.

SHF

I have bought Pleyel in early 2002 (around $44,000).  I can't remember the model because the info is kept in my office.  Originally I want to buy Yamaha.  However, I find the sound of Pleyel is better when making a choice in Tom Lee.   I was also concerned about the whether in Hong Kong.  The manager of Tom Lee shop is my friend's friend.  He told me that no need to worry about this as the condition is different from twenty years ago because the European piano has made many changes to fit into the asia market.  The problem have been solved already.  However, one point you have to consider : I think it's difficult to re-sell to direct end users as they may not know such brand.  Yamaha will be easier to re-sell as it has longer history in Hong Kong.  That's the fact.  Please consider if you will have chance to change piano again before making the decision.

Up to now,  my piano still sounds good.  I have  Tom Lee to 調音 only once a year.

I hope this info may help.

NM

SHF 寫道:
Up to now,  my piano still sounds good.  I have  Tom Lee to 調音 only once a year.

How often do you actually use it.

Although it sounds good (of course, it's a Pleyel afterall), can it be kept in tune at all? What about the action? I doubt even Japanese piano can survive well with only one tune per year - if used regularly, that is.

SHF

My two sons use it daily (grade 2 & grade 7) except holidays.  I think it must be tune at least once a year.

babymiu

SHF,
Thank you for your information.

哈里波特

I think piano should be tune at least twice a year.  I tune normally 2.5 - 3 times a year.

NM

SHF 寫道:
My two sons use it daily (grade 2 & grade 7) except holidays.  I think it must be tune at least once a year.

Tuning a piano once every year is unimaginable even for a Japanese piano..

kcarol

babymiu
買u3就不如買pleyel 124啦, 起碼d聲同touching都靚好多!
sostenuto pedal 又唔係成日用